CUD Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Freedom to destroy their freedom is not freedom but tyranny, as well. Letting people have their own relgion, and not trying to spread hatred, is what freedom is. The other, is what you & ISIS are doing. Lou Zephyr is just as bad as ISIS now. He just made some comments on a forum and he is on par with terrorists that kill innocent people. Letting people have their own relgion, and not trying to spread hatred, is what freedom is. The other, is what you & ISIS are doing. So people are free to have their own religion but other people aren't free to criticise that religion? That's not freedom either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 So people are free to have their own religion but other people aren't free to criticise that religion? That's not freedom either... I've got no problem with criticising religion - criticising is the fuel for a healthy discussion. But when you call people who differ with you from oppinion liers & enemies, without even considering how they reached their conclusion, you're no longer just "criticising religion". At that point, you're no longer using freedom to advocate freedom, you're abusing freedom to advocate its abolisment. Lou Zephyr is just as bad as ISIS now. Those are your words, not mine. In the words of Joda: Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Freedom to destroy their freedom is not freedom but tyranny, as well. Letting people have their own relgion, and not trying to spread hatred, is what freedom is. The other, is what you & ISIS are doing. islamic doctrine is diametrically opposed to western liberty, what dont you kids understand about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Moderate muslims aren't trying to destroy your freedom, and "they secretly are, they just don't tell you" is a completely ridiculous argument. You are trying to destroy their freedom quite openly, however. taqiya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 islamic doctrine is diametrically opposed to western liberty, what dont you kids understand about this? We *kids* don't understand why, when presented with specialists that have a different oppinion then you, you don't even concider their reasoning, but decide they are liars & enemies. We *kids* don't understand how you can claim you know what moderate muslims think, while, when presented with those who claim differently, agains to be liars. We *kids* don't understand why you're hellbent on spreading hate on Islam, while we know that's EXACTLY what ISIS wants. We *kids* don't understand why you are clinging on to the juvenile belief that the world is black & white. But what we *kids* do understand, is that we're the adults in this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 taqiya And yet ... when a muslim posts a movie on what ISIS is doing, is not his Islam. Or when one uses the hashtag notinmyname ... Or, last night, I even saw a video of a frensh muslim, asking his fellow muslims to report to the authoritisies when they see even the beginning of extremism. There are 1.8 billion muslims in the world ... with milions upon millions upon millions apologists out there. Governments are terrible at keeping secrets, simply because of the number of people involved. The more people involved the harder it is to keep something secret. It's one of the key reasons conspiracy theories are so utterly ludicrous. Where is the secondairy message? where is the same guy - calling to report extremism - saying to all the muslims who seen his message "you guys, you know I'm just kidding right?" Where does a mulsim viewer see the difference between extremist taqiyya and a muslim actually preaching moderate islam? Why isn't anyone - even muslims apostates or AlQueda/ISIS infiltrants - unable to simply point to that secondairy message, and say "see, here's proof the apologists are lying" ? THAT is why we *kids* know that this isn't taqiyya. But as it requires to look at how the world works ... it's quite understandable if you don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 taqiya this word it does not mean what you think it means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya and hypercube, i suggest you actually read the koran and study the actual religion of muhammad finding someone who has alterior motives lying to you about the violent nature of muhammads teachings in a youtube video is not a sufficient picture of the religion im not spreading hate, im trying to direct you to the information that is freely available about something that we are welcoming under the guise of tolerance islam is opposed to liberty, muhammad taught that his followers must destroy those who do not adhere to his teachings, this is the religion you are defending if you would actually read the book i really dont think you would be so stubborn in blindly defending islam... well at least it wouldnt be blind defense and one would know where your loyalties lie there is a trend in western politically correct culture to destroy our liberty in the name of tolerance. i value liberty and i will point out things that oppose that liberty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 who is destroying your liberty, exactly? what are moderate muslims doing to you, besides existing? (once again... "secretly plotting" is not an acceptable answer unless you can READ MINDS.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 its the nature of the religion, it is opposed to western liberty. read the fucking koran its not a secret, the information is right fucking in front of you but you people turn a blind eye in the name of tolerance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 and once again, your evidence that every moderate muslim follows this to the letter despite you clearly recognizing that most people from every other religion don't follow their doctrine would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 "moderate muslim" the people who sit back and cheer on the destruction of western liberty, this action is clearly laid out in the koran, commanded by muhammad peaceful outbreeding to take advantage of political systems to promote islamic legislation until the majority forces an islamic rule by violent force, this is commanded in the koran by muhammad, it sounds crazy because it is, it is literally the teachings of a mad supremacist war lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 the majority of adherents to ANY RELIGION don't follow it properly, so even aside from your own interpretation of the quran, it is utterly nonsensical to strongly assume that every muslim follows it to the letter when you have already acknowledged that christians don't. your only argument is "even though these people say they don't do this, i know they do" and that's dumb as shit so i'm gonna stop replying to you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 but they are following it, muslims in western countries are following the words of muhammad just read the koran and it will become clear, i know this can be confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 You have no idea what they are following and what they are ignoring as, once again, YOU CAN'T READ MINDS. Or words apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 i can read the words of muhammad and observe the people who claim to be followers of muhammad and safely come to the conclusion that they are following the words of muhammad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 Alright bro, I'll just be over here in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFFIRMATIVE Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well that was a useful amount of time that was put into this back and forth conversation. Its like i witnessed someone trying to use every tool to open a door but it just didn't budge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Penguins Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 You have no idea what they are following and what they are ignoring as, once again, YOU CAN'T READ MINDS. Or words apparently. Can we just accept the fact that he is very xenophobic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 22, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yes, yes we can. Though it's more racism than xenophobia given that he has no problems with white christian countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buy my mixtape fam Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 Lou, you seem to think that you have sufficient proof backing yourself up that Muslims are either attempting to destroy Western Civlization themselves, or are cheering it on. Please tell me where you found this, as I'm highly interested. I, unlike you, actually read the Qur'an, and know how its spelled. You seem to think you know and can interpret everything that God propheted towards Muhammad, but as you spout on more and more garbage, you make yourself look even more clueless. Muhammad's goal was not to spread hate and violence and Islam through war. He went to war for different reasons, for reasons I already explained in this thread. Of course, you probably just watched a biased, trashy Youtube video on it, so you probably think that's how it works. Regardless, you seem to have no knowledge about how Islam works at all. I've lived in Iran for several months,, interacted with the people, and they're all moderate people who practice their religion at home, but don't give a damn about me or whatever I practice as a religion. Please, back yourself up with experience and facts before trying to throw your ignorant conclusions around . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Penguins Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I, unlike you, actually read the Qur'an, and know how its spelled. You seem to think you know and can interpret everything that God propheted towards Muhammad, but as you spout on more and more garbage, you make yourself look I agree with you but Lou is actually just using the Romanized version of "Qur'an" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buy my mixtape fam Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 I agree with you but Lou is actually just using the Romanized version of "Qur'an" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran Yeah, ik Koran is the western version and all, but I find it incredibly odd that he's read it, supposedly understands it, and still spells it as Koran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I agree with the idea that terrorism has no religion. However, my belief is that the majority of terrorist organisations we see today are Islamic as the governments in the region are not cohesive or powerful enough to eradicate these groups. Feel free to disagree if you please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I agree with the idea that terrorism has no religion. However, my belief is that the majority of terrorist organisations we see today are Islamic as the governments in the region are not cohesive or powerful enough to eradicate these groups. Feel free to disagree if you please. well, I do would like to note the see in "the majority of terrorist organisations we see today" part. what we see is shaped by the media. there's very little mention of seperatist terrorism, etc ... I think the problem is that we're facing a 'new' kind of warfare: because of global mobility, a country is no longer able to attack another country thousands of miles away, and stay safe. In a sense, we are all neighbouring countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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