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Hello fellow gamers, I have recently found myself once again attached to Team Fortress 2 during quarantine as many do. Throughout playing community servers and Casual matches, I often imagine myself with a shiny Golden Frying Pan, as using the regular Frying Pan has been fortifying that belief. You're already reading this with possible anger or disbelief that I would even think about making such an idiotic post, correct? This post is seeking those who possess the eligible Golden Frying Pan and are open to lending it to a fellow TF2er. Again, you are most likely reading in anger, resentment, or possible cringe yet I'm not fooling or joking with anyone including myself. I have no motives whatsoever to keep a Golden Frying Pan, I simply wish to obtain one for a short while to fiddle around with, as I'm speaking as a human here. As many people have noticed throughout Team Fortress 2 and Steam in general, there are many ill-minded individuals willing to scam, swindle, or otherwise deceit users to acquire essentially whatever they desire. Take the words to describe an alleged scammer and take the antonyms of those words to describe me. Once again, I have no incentive to acquire a Golden Frying Pan other than my ego. I'm not going to sit here and sap you forward by describing how the Golden Frying Pan has been my childhood dream ever since I installed TF2, or that I'd give anything to simply hold one for a second, because that's simply not true. If you request for me to take down this post, I'll be sure to do so. Not because I have no hope that I'll achieve my goal of finding a possible generous lender, but because I don't want to be known as a madman, scammer, kid with cancer, etc. These are labels that are quickly given to people online without second thoughts. I'm going to first understand how people react to the post, and then possibly reconsider this fantasy. If you've read this far and you're talented and or lucky enough to personally own a Golden Frying Pan, and you're feeling generous enough to lend it for a short while, please do not hesitate to contact me in any way possible. If you have any questions or you would like to talk just in general, again, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you for reading and considering. The One and Only, Michael.

Buy orders on backpack.tf are fundamental to how the site works. But some people who make buy orders (namely sprekt lol) just have a script that automatically overcuts buy orders you make 30 minutes after you make them. it's bullshit and unfair to those who don't use bots. plus, he got someone banned for abusing his script, which is bullshit because he was the one who made the script. nobody should be banned just for taking advantage of someone else's malintent. sprekt needs to be banned from making buy orders temporarily so he shuts off his damn script and i can actually make buy orders again

Id obviously understand if there was some time frame as to when action is hopefully taken, if so at all, but no response on my reported site issues/ideas in 2 months just about now is making me concerned if i have been waiting this time unnecessarily and if i should've just personally contacted a Admin (Dev is out of the question, iirc, DM-ing the Dev is not recommended) or give site staff a ping to check my post(s) out, but... the latter sounds a bit over-the-top and pushy, doesn't it? So with that said, i give birth to this post to hopefully clarify my concerns, confusion etc. Now, i understand that while the Dev is not at all active on the bp.tf Discord (atm? lets hope? idk been a mild year or so), atleast the Admins and Moderators are. However with the big plus of preservation and compactness of bringing awereness to an issue here on Forums in mind, you'd think there to be more Moderator (using this word here to group all site staff together as all of them do moderate the site afterall in their own respectable ways) activity here too, but well... There isn't. The only active Mod here is Zeus, and half of the time you meet him on the street called "STATUS UPDATES". Point is, even he don't know how to grab the attention of the Admins/Dev. Thats a big issue for me and i believe for others to agree on too (the ones, especially, who have been crying for bug fixes and overall site updates (me included) "to the Dev" in #bug-reports-and-ideas in bp.tf Discord, but with no result whatsoever. I for example pointed out various bugs, which are now so deep in the pit of the channel, it would be quite a pickle to find them, so how do i expect the Dev to find them? Well, in all honesty, i dont (in that sense even bugs should be reported on the forums more often, where they don't get swept away by the Sea that is a Discord channel lol)), as while the forum posts of problems people have with starting off trading etc. are easily aidable by community ambassadors, site/forum issues can only be fixed with the cooperation of Admins and/or Dev(s ;-;) of the site and its forum. These are the 2 issues and ideas i made 2 months ago: And this is the most recent one i made, also no responses from the staff, but not nearly as old: This one isn't really directed towards the Admins or Dev, who are the only ones who can implement changes to the site. This one is more directed towards the Price Moderators for rule changes and/or clarifications. Now, obviously a response by the staff is not the biggest of my concerns at the end of the day. Say i got a positive response from a staff member, who actually has any power to make site changes (one of the Admins and the Dev, Owners too ofc, but thats too extreme :'D) or a staff member who can let a Admin know of the issue. There is no use of the positive response, if it can't be implemented due to an inactive Dev. Now, both of the forum posts i made 2 months ago are simple enough changes, that the Admins can do it without the help of the Dev, so im not referring here to those. What im talking about is people reporting bugs and them just being flat out ignored and excused as best as possible. TDLR; Aside from my concern of the lack of mod response, the inactivity of site staff here on the forums, my biggest one so far, when it comes to this topic, has always been the absence of the site Dev. Im honestly, while mainly curious, also quite a bit concerned for the future of this site, altho im sure the concern in such a dramatic manner is overreaction... Right? Well, im not sure anymore. But yeah, i want more communication, i wanna know more. Whats going on? Maybe like... How's the Dev's life affecting the time he can put in the development and maintainment? Or is there any plans to get a 2nd Dev on dis bish and is it even possible? Something of the sorts. As a side note, what exactly is going on with the Price Moderators? Life? School? Work? Have mostly all of them grown up and have yet to officially retire and move on and they just tag along atm? Is there then a serious lack of younger Price Mods, who can dedicate more time into suggestions? Why are mostly all of the Price Mods so in-active and the backlog so huge? Offline's spam aside, the days where we rarely saw a suggestion up for over a month and a maximum of a month are long gone. Now the norm is open for 1 month and the maximum is a whopping 3 months! The same time a hats price, by the rules, literally goes out of date. There is also the issue of when you resuggest something, per a Price Moderators comment and there is literally nothing left to wait on and the suggestion is still not accepted and left open for days on end. Its very ironic, cause when i don't resuggest something within a few days, its a huge issue for mods and they give your suggestion away to someone else. Its quite crazy, really, and very concerning, yet again. More and more you see Veteran suggesters disappear, retire (and we can't really expect a change for suggesting to be more rewarding, if everything is kinda just... on hold) and since there is such a lack of Price Moderator activity, the newbies rarely get the concrete help of a Price Mod to get them into suggesting. That help is mostly given out by other suggesters and some just go completely the wrong way about it and scare the newbies away. Without newbies growing into Veteran suggesters, there can not be new potential Price Moderators, who are a bit younger, hence have a lot more time on their hands to deal with suggestions. Things just have seemed to go downhill. Honestly... Its all a mess and i don't think im wrong when im saying this... Some changes are very overdue.

when your brain doesn't work properly but you still wanna make a bank scamming

Even with a Harvard-level essay explaining why we should lend you a golden pan, nobody is going to do that unless you’re someone thats is reputable in the trading community tbh.

Hey guys, I need to be honest with you all here. This is all mainly my fault. I haven't handled backpack.tf appropriately or the way it and the community deserves. I've let down Teeny and the other admins / mods, through my unavailability and lack of involvement. The raw truth is, we purchased backpack.tf when the previous owner informed me he was selling it because I didn't want it to be purchased by some ad company like ZAM and flooded with ads and eventually killed (like what ZAM did to TF2Outpost). Backpack was a vital part of the tf2 community and I felt I had to protect it. However, even at the time I knew deep down that it was adding more pressure onto my already stacked plate. That it was somewhat irresponsible to be acquiring the site when I knew I probably wouldn't be able to give it the attention it deserves. For this I truly apologize. I've stacked far too much on my plate and backpack is an unfortunate victim of that. I want to do right by the site, but I'm not sure exactly what that entails. Bringing cares on is certainly a possibility; one I shamefully ignored because I couldn't deal with the stress of handling such a thing. I'd like to apologize to Teeny and the rest of the mod team. When we purchased backpack, we promised that we'd basically let them run the community portion of the site however they wanted, as I didn't feel right making dictations on that front. However, I also told them that I'd be more available and responsive than the previous owner; for a while, I think this was true. However, over time things worsened to a similar state as with the previous owner (I imagine). I have only myself to blame for this. The mod team deserves better and I'm sorry they haven't gotten it. For the record, Teeny shouldn't be blamed for any of this. She's done, and tried to do, so much for you guys. But there's only so much she can do under these circumstances. Please don't direct this towards her.

You could just have someone with a pan join a server and have them die with it equipped rather than asking people to loan you a $3000 item. Still not likely to happen, but sounds less insane that way.

I very much agree. I made an API call on every unusual a couple of months ago, partially with the intention of exposing how bad the overcutting problem is. Here are the results. There are 19, 038 unique unusual hat combinations. Here are the top 10 buyers buy number of unusuals that they have the highest buy order on and whether they have an overcutting script. 1. Rubi 2,659 YES 2. Killua 2,098 YES 3. Thundacat 1,920 YES 4. Sprekt 1,725 YES 5. Zol 1,615 YES 6. Itrem95 1,256 YES 7. Julia's Pet 1,154 YES 8. Toad 598 NO 9. Yurchik 560 NO 10. Juice789 464 YES As you can see, 8/10 the top 10 have overcutting scripts. The 2 that don't have are easy to explain; both are because they have buy orders on primarily rare hats with few in existence. Most of Toads are generic buy orders, where Yurchik's are on hats the have not sold for years. You can also see that there is huge drop off for the top non-overcutting buyer, showing that it is impossible to hit the critical mass of top buy orders without a script. The top 7 buyers have control of 12,457 hats, which is a total of 65%!!! of all hats. This number gets worse when filtering by > 10 in existence, since it buy orders are more effective the more of a hat exists. It then becomes 5,019/7,179 or 70% of all hat listings. Wow. Looking at the top 20 buyers overall (not necessarily all overcutters) the numbers become 16,702/19038 (all hats) = 88% 6556/7179 (>10 in existence) = 91% The top 20 buyers control almost 90% of all buy orders... Let that sink in... The problem with overcutting scripts is that they are impossible to beat as a normal buyer; even if you updated listings 24/7 you would still be beat by overcutters. You could make the argument that "if you can't beat them, join them" but lets be real, most people do not have the skills to program and host a overcutting script. This is in the same vain as Amazon pushing out physical stores; and its not like you can just "become like Amazon" because it clearly doesn't work that way. As far as the DX situation goes, while what he did was incredibly scummy and unethical, I really don't think he should of been punished for exploiting someone's script. All it takes is 1 if statement in the code to prevent shenanigans, and someone who does not have a script that protects them against that really has no excuses for that happening.

13 years cancer free 2 day (june 5)

Dead meme, stop spamming.

considering you have 0 hours in tf2, no customization o your profile, have 2 friends (which I'm betting you are an ALT of one for some reason), and the fact that your account was made 4 months ago, no one is gonna trust you to not run away with an item worth thousands of dollars.

Hello everybody! I believe we're a bit overdue for another homepage contest, so here we are! We are accepting new design submissions for the TF2 homepage and we'd love for as many people as possible to participate. This contest is not limited to SFM, and we welcome all artists using all art mediums and art styles. We're incredibly excited to see what you guys can come up with. This contest will run in two stages: submissions and voting. Submission The submission period runs from now until 12PM UTC on the 24th of July. Submit each submission in its own thread in this very board. Attach the image to the post or include it with img tags; it's up to you. Voting Voting will occur via a pinned thread on this board. Each voter will get two votes to cast, which may be used for the same artist or different artists. Voting will begin sometime in the afternoon on the 24th of July. We may prune entries prior to starting to remove rule-breaking or inappropriate submissions. Prizes Two winners will receive 1 year of backpack.tf Premium; this may be transferred to another user. Winning artwork will be used on the official site and winners will be credited where appropriate. Winners will also get special backpack.tf profile badges commemorating their achievements. Four runner-ups will receive 3 months of backpack.tf Premium and a backpack.tf badge commemorating their achievements. Everyone who enters will receive 1 month of backpack.tf Premium. Rules Maximum of 2 submissions per user. If you need to update your submission, just edit the thread. If you want to withdraw a submission entirely, replace the thread OP with the text [SUBMISSION REMOVED] and we'll ignore it and eventually remove it entirely. High DPI is quickly becoming the norm these days, so final versions of submissions need to be rendered at 4K resolution (3840px wide). These don't have to be rendered straight away, but if your submission is selected then we'll need the highest quality version possible. The bottom-most edge of your background needs to be able to seamlessly merge into a single color. It doesn't matter what color, but your image shouldn't abruptly end. The current TF2 backpack.tf backgrounds all achieve this in their own way. No signature watermarks are allowed on final versions of the artwork. The submission needs to be themed around Team Fortress 2 Tips and Guidelines Backgrounds on the backpack.tf index are set to always scale to fit the browser viewport. You can see this by resizing the window. Because of this, you don't have to worry about having any edge other than the bottom-most one merge into a single colour. Keep it mellow. Don't distract the user with things that stand out. Work your background to fit around the site's layout, we need to see how it will look with the boxes already on the homepage. A quick guide on how to check your creation against the site layout can be found here. Logo downloads can be found here. Good luck!🙂

Dead trading site for a dead game sounds appropriate to me. In the end all we're doing here is necromancy (or necrophilia).

Everyone get ready for a new pricing event! In a pricing event, you will be updating as many hats as possible together with your other team members. It doesn't matter if you're completely new or a black belt. Everyone is welcome to participate. There are experienced suggesters around and moderators who can assist you if you're inexperienced. A part of the event is learning about how pricing hats work, so you're always welcome to ask for help. You can also at any time ask mods for item histories. There will also be prizes. These include a month of free premium for all active event participants, $0.10 donation credit on your backpack.tf profile for every point your team scores and $500 in marketplace giftcards in total! Please read the below carefully before posting, if your post does not include the required information you WILL NOT BE ENTERED. Sign up rules: 1) Your discord username (e.g. Erik#2641) - make sure you're actually in the backpack.tf discord and that you connected your steam account. If you can see all the social channels you should be good! 2) Your timezone (e.g. GMT+2 or GMT-6 etc.) 3) Roughly how many hours you are able to participate a day. 4) When you will be able to suggest (e.g. during the night, morning or all day etc). Include this in a post below in order to sign up. Only use this thread for signing up. Spam is not tolerated. If you have any questions feel free to ask them in the discord! The event will be held from Thursday the 9th till Monday the 13th. We will be handing out new objectives every day, these will be assigned to your teams once the event starts. You will see the assignments in your team channel in the backpack.tf discord. If you’d like, you can name a few people you’d like to be placed in a team with and we’ll try to do our best to group you. We can’t guarantee this however since the teams do need to remain balanced. The teams will be put together based on experience, timezone and overall activity although experience will be the most deciding factor. Please make sure you’re in the backpack.tf discord before signing up, this is a requirement. https://discordapp.com/invite/j7cMkGF Users who are banned from the site or discord can not enter the event. This thread will close on Tuesday the 7th at 20:00 GMT+2.

Can't break something that's already broken. My reward was a good laugh after realising that you actually plan to charge people money for this.

I love this website, the only thing I hate about it is how when I try to find some good deals at midnight I get flashbanged. Really simple fix, add a dark mode switch to enable or disable it.

With a wild imagination like that, I'm sure you could just, like, use your sheer determination, faith and willpower to bend the pixels on your screen to form a golden pan.

So I came into possession of a Strange Orbiting Fire Hot Dogger. As far as I can tell, besides mine, there are no Strange variants of this hat with the same effect. Can I get some answers from you lovely folks on whether or not this is really 1 of 1? Thanks!

Hello fellow gamers, I have recently found myself once again attached to Team Fortress 2 during quarantine as many do. Throughout playing community servers and Casual matches, I often imagine myself with a shiny Golden Frying Pan, as using the regular Frying Pan has been fortifying that belief. You're already reading this with possible anger or disbelief that I would even think about making such an idiotic post, correct? This post is seeking those who possess the eligible Golden Frying Pan and are open to lending it to a fellow TF2er. Again, you are most likely reading in anger, resentment, or possible cringe yet I'm not fooling or joking with anyone including myself. I have no motives whatsoever to keep a Golden Frying Pan, I simply wish to obtain one for a short while to fiddle around with, as I'm speaking as a human here. As many people have noticed throughout Team Fortress 2 and Steam in general, there are many ill-minded individuals willing to scam, swindle, or otherwise deceit users to acquire essentially whatever they desire. Take the words to describe an alleged scammer and take the antonyms of those words to describe me. Once again, I have no incentive to acquire a Golden Frying Pan other than my ego. I'm not going to sit here and sap you forward by describing how the Golden Frying Pan has been my childhood dream ever since I installed TF2, or that I'd give anything to simply hold one for a second, because that's simply not true. If you request for me to take down this post, I'll be sure to do so. Not because I have no hope that I'll achieve my goal of finding a possible generous lender, but because I don't want to be known as a madman, scammer, kid with cancer, etc. These are labels that are quickly given to people online without second thoughts. I'm going to first understand how people react to the post, and then possibly reconsider this fantasy. If you've read this far and you're talented and or lucky enough to personally own a Golden Frying Pan, and you're feeling generous enough to lend it for a short while, please do not hesitate to contact me in any way possible. If you have any questions or you would like to talk just in general, again, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you for reading and considering.

The simple fact that it is so unbelievably naive and ridiculous to believe that some random person on the internet would entrust you with $3500 makes me confident that this is a pathetic and elaborate scam attempt. The fancy essay was nice, but I'd say that you should aim lower than a Golden Frying Pan to begin with buddy. Thanks for the laugh though!

There really is only one tip for scrap to unusual: Don't. It's not worth it. You will earn the money needed for that unusual faster by looking for pennies in the street.

Czech republic

He lookin through comments be like:

aight, guess ill give some random person on the internet 3500$, czech republic xia hua hua piao

NO

Okay, please spend 60 seconds to make 30 suggestions and receive a month of premium. That already is 30 more suggested unusual weps that may not have been suggested if there had been no incentive. If the suggestor wants to maintain their premium, they'll need to continue updating 30 unusuals every month. Sure some people could just stop at 30, but others will continue suggesting beyond that like before. Is this system perfect? Probably not. But does it provide an additional incentive for suggestors to update items? Yes, I believe it does. My point here is that every suggestion helps. I fully believe that this change will bring back older suggestors as well as encourage newer suggestors to continue suggesting. The reason to make suggestions is still the exact same as before - suggestors want to help the community by keeping the pricelist accurate. This premium is an additional reward on top of that for active suggestors. I agree that this system may treat non-unusuals that require extra work a little unfairly, but I don't think this will have a negative effect on how often they are updated. People used to update items without this incentive, they still will with an incentive as well. However, a good percentage of non-unusuals are fairly easy to update, so I think it's fair to say that a 5x reward for an average unusual suggestion compared to an average non-unusual is reasonable. In the end, more items will get updated each month that would not have been suggested otherwise. If this change motivates even just 5 people, that could be well over 150 extra unusual suggestions in a month. If they're a bunch of one sale suggestions, that's okay.

you can't prevent dumb people from doing dumb things

Sorry, I'm just getting quite sick of being the person blame is dumped at the door of for literally everything, over the owners and PAID DEVELOPER who are inactive. I have worked tirelessly for this website for literal years. Give me a break.

Frostbite 😎

i'm not gay but scot bakula looking sort of hot

welp this is an edit. after I realized i've been a FUCKING IDIOT. I will remember this moral of the story: Don't be an idiot, double check your trades

Hi! Before i begin, *heyah!* What is a quicksell? Someone advertising their sale as a quicksell doesn't mean that it is one, sometimes they try to "quicksell" their hats for months without success. Time is only one factor used to determine a quicksell. If a hat sells within 1-2 days for its b/o in pure, one should be suspicious. However, it could just be a lucky sale as well. More important is how a sale relates to other sales. If a hat sells for less or around quickbuyer prices in pure or unusuals or for less than common trade points, that is likely a quicksell. Exceptions when buy orders don't necessarily counter lower sales Numbers Matter - if there is only 1 lonely buy order and 3 sales lower than that it probably doesn't counter. Also generic buy orders (any effect) are usually buying more than 1 copy of a hat. Common Trading Point - if there is a huge number of sales at or around buyer prices then it might be included in the price range. Sellers being close to buy orders is also an indication for that. Market Shifts - timing of buy orders and sales matter: If a sale took place before a buy order was created the seller obviously couldn't just "sell it to the buy order instead". Counter Buy Orders - Buy orders created after a suggestion was made with the sole purpose of countering the suggestion will be structually ignored. aswell as: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5b15768e44325a5c6d075852#comment-5b435572cf6c7558a4778c3c 👆 a snippet of the quicksell rules. Okay, lets begin! Just to be clear, obviously there are times when quicksales are fine to be accepted. When a hats price is suggested to drop and its low end is close to quickbuyers or at quickbuyers, it is accepted as per the rule. Many times those low ends will end up too low, however market shifts are usually reported in a timely manner and a new suggestion is made soon after and the hats price at the end of the day will rise back up. But it does not work so fast and simply for hats lower in the existence, rarer. Im pretty sure everything written in the quicksell rules is understood by basically anyone who has been in this community/trading scene for a while, but there has always been one part of the rules that has remained clouded, the infamous Now its not necessarily this part of the rules that causes mistakes, rather a factor that could fall into this part of the rules. Its called "Reporting this sale as is", aswell as "Reporting the suggested price as better than current". While those 2 independently are completely valid fundaments to accept suggestions on, when infused with the quicksell rules, often than not, they are invalid. Now, Price Moderators themselves have heavily disagreed with me on the just mentioned point and one of them encouraged me to discuss this further on a more public manner, either on bp.tf discord server or in the form of a forum post. I believe forum posts to be better for matters like these, less... off-topic flooding. That was a while ago, what made me do this finally was the currently present mess you see here: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5edc70ca7a465f05a169c345 Now to continue, why do i believe them to be invalid? Cause when we come back to the infamous part of the quicksell rules... What does "it could just be a lucky sale as well" really mean? Imo it opens doors to uncertainty and allows the factor, as i called it, that i spoke about above to be accepted even when the sale presented in the suggestion is a quicksell. So far, correct me if im mistaken, but literally the only times the quicksell dispution is awakened in suggestions comments is when a suggester is using a single sale to drop a hat, that in most cases is indeed a quicksell, as it sold quick. Now where does the confusion come in? To be completely honest, im not really sure whatsoever. As a very experienced quickbuyer, one of the most experienced out there, i dare say, a quicksell is as clear as the mid-day sunny sky to me and seems to be to almost all quickbuyers. There have even been attempts to paint us in a bad picture. Whenever we call suggesters, that try to drop a hat based on a quicksell out, and that suggestion is made on a hat we own, once that particular suggester runs out of arguments, sometimes they have told us "Look, youre just mad that your hat is getting dropped", yet all we really do is defend the legitimacy of this site, that updates hat based on upmost correct information. How can i say so certainly that thats the reason of the outrage, and that its actually not the fact that those suggesters are trying to drop our hats? Well i can't speak for everyone, but what i can say is ive made very clear that i don't care about dropped backpack value. Ive proven that by always making sure that once i resell my hat, i try to update the price to what it really is supposed to be at, not the price that was based off a quicksale. So my point is, if the value drop is quite literally always, in those cases, temporary, why would i be mad at people dropping the value of my hat? To continue, as i mentioned above, the few "factors", based on which some quicksells are accepted by Price Moderators to update a hat, i myself have fell victim to a numerous of these accepted suggestions. While i obviously don't remember to provide much more than a few examples, here is a suggestion which was accepted based on the point of "Reporting the suggested price as better than current": https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5c2e107844325a1e950780c3 - The suggestion was accepted off a quicksale, a "580" key hat, which even i believed and im pretty sure admitted to be a bit too high of a price, sold for 300 pure in less than a day. Guys, seriously, we are talking about an unusual worth hundreds and hundreds of keys, that sold for a price way lower than its at that time bp.tf price in less than a day. No matter what arguments based on it was accepted as 300 flat, it never shouldve been allowed to, it was blatantly incorrect. Obviously 580 was high, but in no way was 300 flat, using a quicksale, any better. Just as the suggestion was accepted based on the point "Reporting the suggested price as better than current", it couldve also been declined based on the opposite, something in the lines of "Calling the suggested price as no better than current, as it is based off a quicksale". Now obviously if the sale didn't sell as fast as it did, there wouldve been no outcry whatsoever. An issue only comes in, when a single quicksale is used to update the price of a hat (as i said, don't quote me on that, perhaps it is not the only time quicksales are misjudged and accepted as a new price incorrectly), stop reading too much into a simple quicksale and complicating its simplicity for everyone. There are also currently 2 suggestions open from 2 different experienced suggesters (one of which is so experienced, i was actually in awe, when he said he didn't see the sale being an obvious quicksale), on 2 of my hats that i made clear quickpurchases on (single usable sale on both suggestions, that is my purchase, which both sold i think in under and hour, not even a day), but they fail to see that, what is so obvious to me, and have disagreed with closing the suggestions. Now to end this example, i later on did update it back to its more accurate price after i sold it: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5d8eb333678072081b2163a2 HOWEVER, some people may bring out a point of this sale being luck, as i did take a lenghty time to sell it (even tho the huge drop to the quicksell price i paid obviously became a complication to resell), so ill just in case show 1 or 2 more examples. Example numero 2: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5deea17e363f117eab4aa46d - The hat was priced off a quicksale. There is no screenshot, but Mods know anyway. What Offline was saying is true, there was a in'n'out buyorder, a year old, at 36. Yet the hat was priced at 35. One of the Mods arguments was that the buyer was fine with the hat being priced, but it doesn't matter what the buyers think, we have rules we follow and it clearly states But do keep in mind, that the mentioned above argument the Mods brought up is one of the weakest ones, it by no means was the only point they had for accepting the suggestion. Its just, i can't be bothered to quote out the other arguments as there is no arguments against a situation that perfectly meets a concrete quicksell rule. There is no "Reporting this sale as is", 35 was a quicksell, if there was a buyorder at 36. There are more examples, but i just can't recall them. Yet again feel free to post your examples (and thoughts too ofc) below! TDLR; What do i want and believe vast majority wants being done about the whole situation? I want the quicksell rules to be updated, to be more clear so that these spam suggestions of clueless (in regards to quicksales) suggestors, suggestors who have barely dealt with quickbuy trading at all, stop (I myself have refrained from posting probably around tens of suggestions, cause before doing so i realised that the only usable sale was a quicksale. Can't help but to wonder how many of those wouldve been accepted, had i posted them tho ) and that Mods stopped accepting very controversial quicksales as valid sales for updating a hat. Imo the part of the quicksell rules is too vague and opens doors to cloudiness and confusion in regards to the rules. You simply can not disprove a quicksale just by calling it a lucky sale (and whether its a lucky sale or not, we will never know, we physically can't) and imo the factors, as i called them, "Reporting this sale as is", aswell as "Reporting the suggested price as better than current" are just a different way of calling a quicksale, a lucky sale. If a hat has a single quicksale (the sale happened within less than a day, sometimes even far less than a day (this ofc does not mean that less than a week sales can not be quicksales aswell, it also all depends on the suggested hat) of being listed up), that sale can not be used to update the price of/price the hat. And at the end of the day, all the complications of the rules aside, one mustn't forget the definition of the word "quicksale" outside the context of these ever so mindcracking bp.tf, tf2 hat suggestions; A quicksale is called a quicksale, cause the sale happened quickly after being advertised.

Falling for a well elaborate trick doesn't make you dumb at all.

Issues I’ve seen, I’ll try to keep it as compact as possible - 1. Price moderator inactivity (11 price mods can’t handle a record low of incoming suggestions) 2. Report moderator inactivity, not as obvious, but it has taken two weeks for simple ‘trading with scammers’ reports to get handled 3. dev activity, been a thing for years now. What was the point of geel buying backpack if the intent was to just let it die a slow death? 4. lack of incentives for price suggesting, I suggested 1500 hats and got nothing for it besides some badge on my profile. I got told multiple times I would never be fit for mod, paid for premium every month I suggested, and even posted 30+ links of easy-accept suggestions to mods every time the backlog became ridiculous. There was no appreciation, no consistency, and no ‘end goal’ in mind. I stated my concerns about this to a mod and was literally told this https://imgur.com/a/8ydTrD3 1 and 3 are cosmetic changes that no one cares about for the time required to get there...2 is completely irrelevant, iirc you have to suggest 10 things to get 1 listing, and 5 is a series of events that have slowly been dying off due to having no other incentives. 5. lack of site updates, this one is really bothersome...as offline mentioned earlier, 2018 war paints weren’t added into the system until June 2019...that’s a whole nine months after the update in which they were released, in that time literally every sale was outdated...but mods allowed suggestions on them despite them no longer being valid. joining the steam group on the site won’t give you a profile badge, that’s been broken for months now. 6. standards for moderators, how do admins possibly expect to get new moderators into the staff team when every single action taken is judged to the tenth degree. Wonder why there’s been one new price mod in the last two years? 7. Rudeness of staff members... I don’t care if you’re ‘trolling’ or ‘joking’, telling someone explicitly that they will never be mod (especially considering that person is one of the most active suggesters left on your dying site) is unfathomable to me. 8. lack of forums, I have no idea what the point of these forums are anymore. Are they just used to be one giant archive of a time long past? I can’t remember the last time a staff member excluding zeus posted here that wasn’t explicitly baited into posting here like this post has done. Meanwhile stuff like this https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5e421aed0f572134793dffe3 I have asked to be reverted four times now because it is literally the most obvious tradeback in the world and no one seems to care enough to click the button. Xergoyf put it better than I ever could, there seems to be this feeling of hopelessness surrounding the future of the site. I wish it could change someday, but I really doubt it will. Please mods, change my mind

No reason this shouldnt be a thing, multi class might be a tiny bit more complicated, but I would argue that its less necessary. Just add either the all class option or both options.

Rip 5 cents

xd dead af. the only profit u'll make is off scamming uneducated unboxers and claim it as quickbuy or waiting forever for a retard to buy ur shit hat at full price in pure. truly a sad scene to witness and im sorry for you all.

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What about earbuds as a new currency alternative to keys so you don't have to have so many keys in trades?

sorry that was my little cousin

Hmm ... what could be between "often" and "never" ? Something that would allow me to make a choice too ...

Are you open to the idea of having applications specifically for developer positions? I know having access to that info is a very delicate thing indeed, but with the amount of people in the community with programming experience, I don't think you would have a tough time getting motivated applicants. It's clear that people still love this site, even if they love it for how they remember it and not for what it currently looks like. I think a team of 2-3 freshly motivated developers would really be a morale boost and show the community that there's still a group of developers willing to act on the community's desires.

I've definitely been slacking big time, and the reality is just that... I'm a nurse and we're in a pandemic, and that has to be my priority at the moment. It's not that I have no time, more that I just don't have energy. It's taking a lot out of me to be working in the climate that I am right now, and for my own mental health I gotta use my off time to relax. It sucks and I'm sorry that it has a detrimental effect on the site. The mods are doing a fantastic job at keeping the ship afloat without me, but maybe I need to designate someone to actually take on my role in a more official way while I'm not able to commit. Keep the comments coming, I am reading and I will think on them all.

Just curious, what does it look like when you buy it? How could someone not read before buying the hats from the community market? I am not criticising you, just generally curious.

Hey, yes as the title suggests, I made a simple guide about glitched genuines that have a different level to default, I know it sounds boring cause it is, probably people like me who are into glitched stuff, rarities/oddities will like this one. Anyways I'll link it here if anyone cares! https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2146850921

Being able to navigate through the site and find the right weapon is worthy of 5 points itself. In all seriousness, unusual weapons don't have a proper pricelist, so I don't bother updating them unless absolutely necessary. From what I heard, offline bookmarks pages of many of the unusual weapons marketplace pages and checks them pretty frequently in order to update them, so I commend his effort to do that. If it weren't for him, at least half of the weapons currently priced wouldn't be priced.

Okay, Since most questions were already answered and people are now complaining or have concerns about sin becoming admin here is my view on the matter. 1st of all I will accept I am not really active on the forums yes! (but that is just in posting comments) I regularly go though many posts in the forums and I only post something if I feel I need to step in. I believe most community mods are like that, You guys do not see all the discussions they have everyday about various posts made on the forums on discord in the community mods chat. (Just saying because someone pointed out mods activity based on how many comments they have on the thread? - this is a wrong way of judging activity) Sin is by far the most worthy for the promotion, This does not mean he is better than other report mods (Plax Zues Toughsox & Myself) or us less than him, everyone is treated equally, but yes some are more experienced, but that was not the only thing an admin needs. Leadership quality and decision making capability is what is needed and with sins past experience with leading a lot of things he fits best for the role. We are really happy for him for the promotion and we are sure he will do wonders. The main issue here on the site right now and the main topic of this whole thread is inactivity of staff and backlogs - as sin has stated in a comment he had started working on the reports again even before he was promoted, same for zues plax and myself we are trying to reduce the backlogs as fast as we can and this started before this discussion started and not because this thread was made. Yes - Inactive Dev is an issue, this is out of our hands as said multiple times before but we are having internal discussions on what can be done (which has happened multiple times before) but its up to geel at the end of the day. Even if a new dev is hired geel and fisk have to guide them though the basics and get familiar with the code base which is not possible with them being inactive now. You cannot expect people to prioritize the site over real life / health / family. Life happens people get busy not everyone sits home in front of a computer 24/7 during this pandemic (not pointing fingers at anyone directly or indirectly I personally know a few who are like that) - most staff got busy with stuff and the backlogs went up in numbers and I highly respect teeny's decisions and what she has been doing during this pandemic, criticizing her is fine but being blind and saying she hasn't done anything for the site / doesn't care about the site anymore (I read comments like that) is a bit too harsh and wrong. If you think like that then you are either very new to the site or you are on the wrong. I don't know if you guys realize or understand how hard it is to transition to online schooling from going to regular school everyday all of a sudden, or try to lead an entire team of staff from home and guiding them via calls or emails when you used to do that face to face at work. Its not easy and its very exhausting. People will get used to all of this just like how we are all adapting to live in this world now during this pandemic. Things will go back to normal and the backlogs will be cleared, this I can assure everyone. Teeny was also the same, she focused on reports while woifi focused on price suggestions? - If you didn't know that. Its not about giving more power its more about having someone to keep us all motivated and make decisions when there is a conflict of interest or if we are in doubt on what needs to be done etc. Why only think the negative way? why not also think if he turns out to be a great admin it will keep the site alive for the years to come? - A coin always has 2 sides. I think I answered this already, being admin isn't totally about being in charge, its about keeping everyone motivated and being able to make the right decisions. Having experience also matters but leadership quality is what is mainly needed. Yes, lets wait and see how he does, criticizing is fine, not being happy about it is fine, but since he is now admin, give him the time and lets see how things turnout? This is not something we can just handover, people need to prove they are willing to help and stay with us and the 1st thing to do is apply for staff and then we review and decide. Please feel free to ask any question to me personally or as a staff and I will try my best to answer anything. All that being said, I did not mean to hurt or shoot arrows at anyone, If I did my apologies. As always any criticism appreciated! - SmokEy