What makes Donald Trump seem like he would be right for the presidency?

[♠Derpeh♤]

Doesnt mean we can instantly build a fucking massive wall. After finding someone to even fund it (if we do), the construction is going to exceed Trump's term. It took 7 years to build the new World Trade Center (1700ft. high), if you need some perspective. 

 

Firstly I'm going to say that building a wall is fucken stupid period. But from a economic standpoint it is "viable" there was a report which broke it down where it will increase jobs and due to the large amount of time it will take to build it will also allow more communities to be established and grow in the less populated areas since it requires quite a large amount of work force and they do need to have a place to stay.

 

So really other than it being a incredibly stupid idea it is "viable".

[Tats]

Firstly I'm going to say that building a wall is fucken stupid period. [...]

 

Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, or any other protective walls were "fucken stupid period".

 

Who paid the study that says it is not viable ? It is now sure, Trump's wall is not viable because someone has made a report that says it.

[Twins_Mercury]

Cartels use cannons, slingshots, and even a good throwing arm to launch drugs over the current existing fences. Underground tunnels are also a thing that has been discovered.

[#NewWizard]

Cartels use cannons, slingshots, and even a good throwing arm to launch drugs over the current existing fences. Underground tunnels are also a thing that has been discovered.

 

We need mine fields. 

[Professional Map Painter]

We need mine fields. 

[WDZ-RR Poncho Sullivan]

I don't worry about Hillary spontaneously dropping bombs or going to war on a whim, I can't say the same for Trump. He's very unstable both in his rhetoric and his actions. You can say Hillary is a liar, but at the end of the day she'd still do a better job than Trump. That's why I'd vote for Bernie though, he's a better version of Hillary both in character and policy. 

 

I worry about Shillary Clinton dropping bombs or going to war on a whim, because the Clintons have had a storied history of abandoning U.S. personnel (Battle of Mogadishu with Bill Clinton, Benghazi with Hillary Clinton) and is known for being a fucking war hawk. Shit, doesn't anyone realize that the reason she lost the 2008 nod to Obama was because of the fact that she was one of the people who voted to send troops over to Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein? And thanks to like minded people like her, she made the situation in the Middle East hundreds of times worse than it already was.

That was one of the reasons why Donald Trump tore Jeb Bush a new asshole about six weeks back, was because of the Iraq war and getting us stuck in a nine year quagmire. Even worse was that all of the other candidates for South Carolina, where they were campaigning at the time, were keeping their mouths shut, like saying that the Iraq War has been a huge mistake was like a white person saying a racist term.

[WDZ-RR Poncho Sullivan]

I'm not supporting a candidate that believes man made climate change isn't a thing

 

The climate of the world changes whether we like it or not. 

Now here's the thing. I believe in protecting the environment. I believe in being a steward for the planet. What I don't believe in, however, is throwing money at green initiatives and expecting that throwing money at a problem makes the problem go away. Newflash, dipshits, it makes the problem fucking worse. Anyone remember the colossal clusterfuck that was Solyndra?

[Hyperqube]

Firstly I'm going to say that building a wall is fucken stupid period.

 

But from a economic standpoint it is "viable" there was a report which broke it down where it will increase jobs and due to the large amount of time it will take to build it will also allow more communities to be established and grow in the less populated areas since it requires quite a large amount of work force and they do need to have a place to stay.

But isn't that a typical "gold rush"? what happens to the community when, after a year, the segment near them is finished, and all the workers leave to the next segment?

 

Who paid the study that says it is not viable ? It is now sure, Trump's wall is not viable because someone has made a report that says it.

err ... we're not talking about a paid study.

it's such a horrible idea any structual engineer with an hour or two of spare time can caluclate it.

 

We need mine fields.

No can do. the U.S. limits it's use of anti-personal mines to Korea (Ottawa Treaty, 2014)

 

 

However: 2 words: attack dogs

(cookie for those who get the reference)

[CapoFantasma97]

So, is he really going to win, the homophobic guy that wants to build the next Great Wall?

 

Better laughing than crying http://youtu.be/5F4pSt1eV98

[Utsoob]

So, is he really going to win, the homophobic guy that wants to build the next Great Wall?

 

Better laughing than crying *insert Lame YT video that didn't even pop up on the forums properly*

Yeppers!

 

But lets not start calling him homophobic, he has said he doesn't judge people by their gender or race, just if they can get the job done fast, efficient, and correctly.

 

If only some other candidates could think that clearly and non-discriminatory!

[CapoFantasma97]

Yeppers!

 

But lets not start calling him homophobic, he has said he doesn't judge people by their gender or race, just if they can get the job done fast, efficient, and correctly.

 

If only some other candidates could think that clearly and non-discriminatory!

He said to CLOSE borders entirely, until then, when asked again, tried to "correct" himself by saying there was a misunderstanding and that he wanted to say he would deny people without documentation.

The 2 ideas are pretty distant each other, how can you make such a mistake if not saying it on purpose?

 

Anyway I put an humoristic video in the previous post usinga link to not clutter space for who reads this topic (well, unless using Tapatalk, then the preview image is automatically fetched)

[CapoFantasma97]

Yeppers!

 

But lets not start calling him homophobic, he has said he doesn't judge people by their gender or race, just if they can get the job done fast, efficient, and correctly.

 

If only some other candidates could think that clearly and non-discriminatory!

Oh jeez I just noticed that it doesn't exactly mean what I tought xD my bad.

I didn't mean homophobic as a gender hate or something, that would be totally out of place, anyway I meant it as racism related, for the "I want you out" policy declared and then "fixed" right after.

A great job creating a misunderstanding myself just after trying to point out the misunderstaning created by Trump :autofacepalm needed:

 

I'm sorry for this mess

[Hyperqube]

But lets not start calling him homophobic,

WALLACE: but just to button this up very quickly, sir, are you saying that if you become president, you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage?

TRUMP: I would strongly consider that, yes.

 

(Fox News Sunday, 1/31/2016)

so ... He's got nothing against gay people, he's just gonna actively work towards them losing rights ... right?

[funkle]

[Professional Map Painter]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35931103

[funkle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35931103

He had proposed "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions if they were made illegal.

I didnt know doing something illegal would result in a punishment :\ He did say it would only be a punishment to the person performing the abortion, not the women. 

 

Donald Trump is Pro-Life (with some exceptions), I don't know why this is news to people. 

[Sniper Noob]

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=why+democratic+socialism+works

 

omg youtube is cool! 

[funkle]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=why+democratic+socialism+works

 

omg youtube is cool! 

A search on YouTube doesnt contain the same information and points of view as an actual video. Sorry bernie bro.

[Sniper Noob]

A search on YouTube doesnt contain the same information and points of view as an actual video. Sorry bernie bro.

 

How about saying what you want to say instead of linking a random youtube video with a guy talking about yaks and comparing taxes to being "gangster punked," whatever the fuck that is.

 

I seriously doubt you even watched this video and instead are guilty of doing exactly what you accused me of doing. Sorry trump bro.

[funkle]

How about saying what you want to say instead of linking a random youtube video with a guy talking about yaks and comparing taxes to being "gangster punked," whatever the fuck that is.

 

I seriously doubt you even watched this video and instead are guilty of doing exactly what you accused me of doing. Sorry trump bro.

Nope, I watched the whole video. I couldn't of said any of it better myself so I linked my source. 

[Hyperqube]

Nope, I watched the whole video. I couldn't of said any of it better myself so I linked my source.

ORLY?

 

See, here's the problem. The western european countries are taken as example of democratic socialist goverments.

So the question at 10:00 'point me to any socialist goverment that allows freedom of speech' ... well?

And stuff get worse and worse from there.

 

 

What the video is trying to do is compare "moderate" captialism with "extreme" socialism, and conclude the problem is socialism.

No it isn't. The problem is the "extreme" part.

 

Likewise, one could compare European style "moderate" socialism, to extreme capitalism (which include things like slavery) ... guess what? the problem would be capitalism ... right?

Likewise, such conclusion would be wrong: the problem, again, would be the "extreme" part.

 

 

 

Stuff like the abolishment of slavery, a fair wage, even weekends ... these are all "socialist" notions. Yeah - In case you didn't know, people actaully fysically fought so you don't have have to work every day of the week.

 

 

The problem is never if we want socialism or not - it's always HOW MUCH socialism we want.

[funkle]

I didnt see any examples in his video of "extreme" socialism. I just saw general comparisons and current examples. 

 

Likewise, one could compare European style "moderate" socialism, to extreme capitalism (which include things like slavery) ... guess what? the problem would be capitalism ... right?

Slavery? Sorry did I miss something here? 

[Hyperqube]

I didnt see any examples in his video of "extreme" socialism.

Really?

 

*litterly less then 5 seconds random clicking*

 

How about 10:25? Are you telling me that you're unaware that no moderate socialist program or goverment has as a long term goal to iliminate private corporations?

 

Really, I wonder, what the heck do you think we're doing here in Europe?

 

 

 

Slavery? Sorry did I miss something here?

I dunno. Did you miss, like, the last two millenia? Perhaps the history lesson on how socialism came to be?

 

Slavery is the epitamy of capitalism - when you kick out all those 'annoying' socialist constructs that affect your bottom line, like 'minimum wage', 'holidays', 'health care', or even 'workers rights'.

 

After all, in true capitalist spirit: Why pay for an expensive worker if a cheap immigrant can do the same job? And why pay for a worker at all, if you can get one to work for free?

[funkle]

Really?

 

*litterly less then 5 seconds random clicking*

 

How about 10:25? Are you telling me that you're unaware that no moderate socialist program or goverment has as a long term goal to iliminate private corporations?

 

Really, I wonder, what the heck do you think we're doing here in Europe?

 

 

 

I dunno. Did you miss, like, the last two millenia? Perhaps the history lesson on how socialism came to be?

 

Slavery is the epitamy of capitalism - when you kick out all those 'annoying' socialist constructs that affect your bottom line, like 'minimum wage', 'holidays', 'health care', or even 'workers rights'.

 

After all, in true capitalist spirit: Why pay for an expensive worker if a cheap immigrant can do the same job? And why pay for a worker at all, if you can get one to work for free?

Apparently I dont see the difference in moderate socialism and extreme socialism. 

Basic economics will tell you that you won't ever get free labor. No one will work for free unless theyre forced. But in this day and age it seems like someone cant even make a SWJ use the proper restroom, so I really doubt a major established country could use slavery without there being major feedback. 

Minimum wage is on the verge of being changed because it was outdated. 

Our healthcare is a mess.

"Holidays" dont really apply to some jobs, but again, holidays are holidays. Most people would probably be off work regardless. I haven't had a Holiday off work for years now. 

Workers rights are another thing that seem like it has to be torn down and rebuilt now because SJW can't just be normal and settle. 

[Hyperqube]

I haven't had a Holiday off work for years now.

how about a weekend? how about < 80 hour /week job?

all socialist constructs. all thinks that historically, people have (litterly) fought for to get.

 

I really doubt a major established country could use slavery without there being major feedback.

Ah, but the feedback would be that slavery is socially unacceptable - not that it's economically not feasable.

Which turns back to my point: The problem is never if we want socialism or not - it's always HOW MUCH socialism we want.

 

 

Extreme capitalims is a bad thing

Extreme socialism is a bad thing

 

Somewhere in between, you need to find a capitalist movement that plays by socially acceptable rules.

 

And that's what current day moderate socialism is about: for instance, it considers that a fair wage is not the lowest number a company can get away with, but that a person should be above the povertly line when working a full time job.