wallywalrus_ Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 >outpost Sharking is only bad to me if the guy lies about what he paid for it, and lying about the value. if they say their item is worth X when it is worth Y, and Y > X, in an attempt to lie, then i'll decapitate them. Vice versa for saying their item is worth Y when it is worth X. If you are honest about prices and they still wan to give a deal, sure. Not a shark. If you lie to get a deal, then it's a shark Done :3 Wouldn't that be a scam? Lying, for me, defines scamming, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Prof. Sugarcube♥ Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wouldn't that be a scam? Lying, for me, defines scamming, eh? Yes, therefore it renders the term 'Sharker' useless lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 You didn't lie to get a deal :3 I define lying as convincing the other party to believe something false If you say nothing you won't be held responsible if you say the right thing you won't be held responsible etc etc :3 I flat out told him what my shit was worth, if I had said otherwise, damn right I deserved a ban. But the way I put it if you read throughout the conversation, I wasn't trying to be evil or whatever it appears like. To explain why I said the word generous in that, I suppose that made me look far worse. my true intention of the word was to explain that it was a 1:1 UNPRICED item, and that x amount of what my items are worth vs item that is unpriced is worth more in that regard. Also in the screenshots with retro, I was moreso in a panic and trying to explain to him why I wouldn't get banned after multiple people started adding me to flame me with shit. All the adrenaline of the moment as we had that conversation far after I got the item, not immediatly after like everyone assumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wouldn't that be a scam? Lying, for me, defines scamming, eh? This. Would like but I can't lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Prof. Sugarcube♥ Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I flat out told him what my shit was worth, if I had said otherwise, damn right I deserved a ban. But the way I put it if you read throughout the conversation, I wasn't trying to be evil or whatever it appears like. To explain why I said the word generous in that, I suppose that made me look far worse. my true intention of the word was to explain that it was a 1:1 UNPRICED item, and that x amount of what my items are worth vs item that is unpriced is worth more in that regard. Also in the screenshots with retro, I was moreso in a panic and trying to explain to him why I wouldn't get banned after multiple people started adding me to flame me with shit. All the adrenaline of the moment. a.k.a you're innocent lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 a.k.a you're innocent lol I'm not saying i'm innocent, I would just like to point out that the way the entire thing went out I was being flat out honest and truthful the entire time, at the worst what I did was a lowball, or mere price speculation. I didn't lie or cheat or attempt to convince him of anything otherwise. It's true that I did rush him as I told him many times that i had to leave for tennis, which is 100% true if you'd like to ask a few of my buddies on steam. Regardless, what happened happened, and I can't change that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSpider Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If someone is smart enough to get said item, they should be smart enough to know the price Not entirely true. Someone could have gotten a key from a raffle or something possibly or just decided to unbox for normal cosmetics. I just think it's sad that newer traders it just feels don't stand a chance if they unbox an unusual because people are really greedy in the trading community.. And with some people if they find out later they got ripped off they prob will quit trading and possibly the game. Personally I think anything within the 80%+ range is considered a shark unless the user knows otherwise.. It's such a shady area I do agree they need to make a set rule for it and not change it so people know exactly what a shark is and what isn't. Personally if I saw someone unbox a hat I would help them trade and teach them instead of taking advantage of the situation. But that's just my opinion. Edit: Fixed some grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Not entirely true. Someone could have gotten a key from a raffle or something possibly or just decided to unbox for normal cosmetics. I just think it's sad that newer traders it just feels don't stand a chance if they unbox an unusual because people are really greedy in the trading community.. And with some people if they find out later they got ripped off they prob will quit trading and possibly the game. Personally I think anything within the 80%+ range is considered a shark unless the user knows otherwise.. It's such a shady area I do agree they need to make a set rule for it and not change it so people know exactly what a shark is and what isn't. Personally if I saw someone unbox a hat I would help them trade and teach them instead of taking advantage of the situation. Personally I just think Good way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynexyl Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 An item named unusual, with a different color than all the other items, listed as exceedingly rare item, different than any other hats, with an effect to it, that similar items sell for a lot of real money in the steam market. Who could've guessed it is rare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSpider Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Good way to put it. Also I should prob apologize to you a bit as well. When you got that Woodsman I overreacted a bit calling you "Wayne Jr" and stuff like that it was very uncalled for. Honestly you complicated it to much on the trade making some jokes about it and not really taking it seriously it felt like. I do personally feel like you did shark the hat but kinda unknowingly looking back. It seems you were a bit confused and thought you were just getting a "good deal" but everyone else (including myself when it happened) saw it as a shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedarium Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 An item named unusual, with a different color than all the other items, listed as exceedingly rare item, different than any other hats, with an effect to it, that similar items sell for a lot of real money in the steam market. Who could've guessed it is rare? Do remember: Normal quality items are worth a ton. Who would've thought that? Unique items are usually the cheapest, and they aren't that unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Also I should prob apologize to you a bit as well. When you got that Woodsman I overreacted a bit calling you "Wayne Jr" and stuff like that it was very uncalled for. Honestly you complicated it to much on the trade making some jokes about it and not really taking it seriously it felt like. I do personally feel like you did shark the hat but kinda unknowingly looking back. It seems you were a bit confused and thought you were just getting a "good deal" but everyone else (including myself when it happened) saw it as a shark. Honestly at first I was pretty pissed off when people kept adding me to talk bs, So I did make a few sarcastic remarks that were pretty uncalled for. It's perfectly fine, I deserved some of the shit I got. No hard feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingLollipop Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 No explanation, so im naturally going to assume you hate sharks. Care to explain why? Also, that picture is very disturbing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynexyl Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Do remember: Normal quality items are worth a ton. Who would've thought that? Unique items are usually the cheapest, and they aren't that unique. Well, yes. Of course, there are a lot of exceptions. But what i meant is, clearly, unusual items are rare. If someone is trying to buy it from you, a simple search in steam market will at least tell you it is worth at least something. I know, this does not happens frequently nor justify anything, and it also wouldn't help in all cases, but it surely is a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodssy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have -1 trust because someone reported me for attempting to shark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey-Boo Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21242103 that's all I have to say on the topic well since the direct link is broken for some reason: http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/670809look at the rancho trade I remember seeing that and going "What!?!?!?" when he first posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misery. Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If you are honest about prices and they still wan to give a deal, sure. Not a shark. If you lie to get a deal, then it's a shark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have -1 trust because someone reported me for attempting to shark... Report it, it'll get removed. That's what I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenomWithin Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 This. There will always be winners and losers in every single thing throughout life. There will be some with more, and some with less, that is a product of life and the world we live in. The stock market works like this every single day, so do sporting events, popularity contest, etc. You will always have people who lose and some will win because life isn't fair. It's not sharking if you are making deals that benefit you if the other person accepts what they are receiving in return, even if it is viewed as a loss. Some people put more value into some items than others do, and that's why as long as you are honest about your dealings and the other person is fully aware of the circumstances and agrees to them, it's not sharking. Agree entirely, thanks for your input.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondHavoc. Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Honestly Venom, you shouldn't be banned. Come at me community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senpai Absol~ Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Honestly Venom, you shouldn't be banned. Come at me community. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingkip Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Honestly Venom, you shouldn't be banned. Come at me community. And, judging at the proof I have available, neither should Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondHavoc. Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 And, judging at the proof I have available, neither should Wayne Wayne isn't banned though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingkip Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wayne isn't banned though...I never stated he was, I stated that with the current information he shouldn't be. Quite a few people here think he should. And as far as I know the facts neither have sharked, unless you use outposts rules which I disagree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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