F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 We have all seen the dispreportional numbers for all the effects where there are much fewer 1st gen effects than second and even 3rd in some cases. This not true in all cases. If the rates are the same than first genaration effects should be the most common. Everyome, put in your opinion as to why they are not. Right now I assume has altered unbox rates for certain effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Depends on when the hat was released in unusual quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Depends on when the hat was released in unusual quality Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Why? Some hats were only available in unusual quality after the 2nd gen effects were introduced. Just look at the newer hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Some hats were only available in unusual quality after the 2nd gen effects were introduced. Just look at the newer hats. Doesn't matter. If rates are the same then the distribution of effects on any given hat will be the same once you get to a certain number of them. 30 blizz to 10 burning doesn't fit any normal model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Doesn't matter. If rates are the same then the distribution of effects on any given hat will be the same once you get to a certain number of them. 30 blizz to 10 burning doesn't fit any normal model. You know how crates and effects are related, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimes Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 You know how crates and effects are related, right? They are????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The secret of everyone who unboxes (like I did before). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimes Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 i've unboxed 150 crate #31's... Whats the secret? ;-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 You know how crates and effects are related, right? As far as I know that is rumor and still doesn't explain the numbers. Unless you are saying that crates between 25 and say 50ish did not have any 1st gen effects in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 As far as I know that is rumor and still doesn't explain the numbers. Unless you are saying that crates between 25 and say 50ish did not have any 1st gen effects in it. Well higher tier effects/hats drop less often then more expensive ones (i.e. burning team captain vs. Burning noir). And either 2nd/3rd gen effects have a higher drop percentage than 1st gen, or 1st gen can only be unboxed from old crates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It's not that complicated. #1-#25 = 1st gen effects #26-#59 (not sure when the summer effects were intruduced exactly) = 2nd gen effects #60-now = summer effects Robocrates = robo effects all crates during halloween = halloween effects That's why old crates are worth more and more desired by the unboxers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It's not that complicated. #1-#25 = 1st gen effects #26-#59 (not sure when the summer effects were intruduced exactly) = 2nd gen effects #60-now = summer effects Robocrates = robo effects all crates during halloween = halloween effects That's why old crates are worth more and more desired by the unboxes.* *Well, that and the fact that less are around, and they have older stranges/good paints. As for the crate breakdown, No ones actually showed definitive proof of that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 *Well, that and the fact that less are around, and they have older stranges/good paints. As for the crate breakdown, No ones actually showed definitive proof of that yet. Just look at my unboxing history on my profile (I joined tf2 in the internet in may 2012, before that I was a noob). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Well higher tier effects/hats drop less often then more expensive ones (i.e. burning team captain vs. Burning noir). And either 2nd/3rd gen effects have a higher drop percentage than 1st gen, or 1st gen can only be unboxed from old crates. Not logical for there to be a different unbox rate based on tier/trade value. It's not that complicated. #1-#25 = 1st gen effects #26-#59 (not sure when the summer effects were intruduced exactly) = 2nd gen effects #60-now = summer effects Robocrates = robo effects all crates during halloween = halloween effects That's why old crates are worth more and more desired by the unboxers. It was logical for gen 1 effects to be tied to crates earlier than 26 but after that you can't say that gen 1 couldn't be unboxed until recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It was logical for gen 1 effects to be tied to crates earlier than 26 but after that you can't say that gen 1 couldn't be unboxed until recently. Yes gen 1 can be unboxed here and now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Yes gen 1 can be unboxed here and now? Than they should be the most common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Not logical for there to be a different unbox rate based on tier/trade value. the explain why there are more burning Moira then burning team captains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 the explain why there are more burning Moira then burning team captains. So you assumed unbox rate is effected by trade just because it appeared that way? This is why I made this thread. I have not heard any good reason for the disparity. I have also talked to other, more expierienced traders than I, and it doesn't make sense to them either. So I decided to call on this most capable of communities to discover the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 So you assumed unbox rate is effected by trade just because it appeared that way? This is why I made this thread. I have not heard any good reason for the disparity. I have also talked to other, more expierienced traders than I, and it doesn't make sense to them either. So I decided to call on this most capable of communities to discover the answer.valve could pay attention to the market and see how much hats are usually traded for when compared to others and use that to determine tier drop rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Than they should be the most common. No because most people don't know about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 valve could pay attention to the market and see how much hats are usually traded for when compared to others and use that to determine tier drop rates. Having tier drop rates that are designed that way doesn't benefit them nor does it make sense. If high tier hat/effect combo's drop less frequently then that would be a disincentive to unboxing. No because most people don't know about this. I think you misunderstood. Since we established that 1st gen effects can be un-boxed along with each consecutive generation than it is logical to say that the 1st gen effects should be the most common as long as all effects and hats have an equal chance of being spawned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base64 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Unless you are saying that crates between 25 and say 50ish did not have any 1st gen effects in it. This is the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well lets look at some interesting things: 1. Hats do not un-box equally, http://puu.sh/5Dys4.jpg You can clearly see this point by noting how many Masks of the Shaman are in the game and that they still unbox (see new effects). Also, the most numerous Robo Hat (the Leadwear) is fairly close to Cold Killer even tho opening the robo crate only guaranteed a robo effect but should have been distributed evenly and therefore we should see many more Cold Killers. 2. Each Generation is less likely to be Un-boxed as we go forward http://puu.sh/5DBfU.png I sampled those 5 hats and had a count of 116 effect instances once i filtered out Robo effects and Halloween effects. A sample size of 116 is effective and the results speak for them selves. Edit: When I was counting I did not notice whether it was red or blue aces and count them as one effect. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 This is the fact. Edit: Deleted this statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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