WITHDRAW FROM Mannco.store

[2OG]

I am just here to let people know, not to trust mannco.store. I understand most people already know the site is a scam but for those you don't. Trust me from personal experience it is, withdraw your items and save your self the hassle of dealing with them. 

I deposited quite a lot of items but due to my inactivity the site admins decided to sell my items and remove the items from the site inventory. 

I contacted the the "Alex" from mannco, and he informed me after 3 months the item will be removed and deleted. Which is a clear lie, as he traded them away to bots and other traders after 9 weeks of the items being on the site, without informing me to remove my items or any type of contact. These two are just a few of the ones he traded away. https://backpack.tf/item/5233966016  https://backpack.tf/item/5233966016

 

If you want to save your items, withdrew now, cus their TOS gives them power to steal anyone's item at any point in time.

 

"You agree that you are responsible for all activities that occur on your account or through the use of your password by yourself or by other persons. If you believe that a third party has access your password, use the password regeneration feature of the Site as soon as possible to obtain a new password. In all circumstances, you agree not to permit any third party to use or access the Service or Site through your password. Mannco.store may modify these functionalities and processes from time to time at its sole discretion without notice. You shall only make virtual items available for sale through the Service if you are the owner of these virtual items. Mannco.store may, at its sole discretion, remove any item from the Service. You acknowledge and agree that the use of the Service may result in the purchase of virtual items that may be different from those that you have purchased from other users of the Site and Service. Such limitations are beyond Mannco.store’s control. "

 

This link provides part of the conversation i had with "Alex" & items i had deposited on the 27/28/30 of Dec 2020 - https://imgur.com/a/f8jPXeo

Alex's Profile Link - https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964027496/

 

[Payback]

yikes

 

[Sprekt]

Their TOS is such a joke...

[Pollen]

To be fair, you lost nothing of value, you also abused their system as a storage bot, which it literally says you're not supposed to do, and on top of that they still offered compensations

[2OG]

And now they banned for what? 

[2OG]

20 minutes ago, Pollen! said:

To be fair, you lost nothing of value, you also abused their system as a storage bot, which it literally says you're not supposed to do,  and on top of that they still offered compensations

It's up to your eye what you consider of value but at the end of the day it's not about the items. It's about the decency of not trading my items away because I left it unattended and didn't post them. It's pretty obvious this all situation is a scam, this just shows they can take ban anyone and take their items just because they had a bad day at work. Could you show me where it says i can't use the site a storage bot? "3$" is not compensation it is a joke. If you checked the image, those items are worth a lot more than 3$. 

 

Just know this Pollen, if you deposit on there. The admins can take your item at any moment in time, just because they can. If that want to enjoy backing that kinda community/site go ahead, i won't stop you. It's your life. 

 

[SmokE]

 

1 hour ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

This link provides part of the conversation i had with "Alex" & items i had deposited on the 27/28/30 of Dec 2020 - https://imgur.com/a/f8jPXeo

 

In the chat logs they mention a friend of yours also lost their items? I wonder how many others got hit by this? 

"so please stop saying bullcrap and accept your loss since its your problem" , "we don't waste time to contact people one by one for trash items"

-lol not very professional way to communicate when you run a website.

 

1 hour ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

"You agree that you are responsible for all activities that occur on your account or through the use of your password by yourself or by other persons. If you believe that a third party has access your password, use the password regeneration feature of the Site as soon as possible to obtain a new password. In all circumstances, you agree not to permit any third party to use or access the Service or Site through your password. Mannco.store may modify these functionalities and processes from time to time at its sole discretion without notice. You shall only make virtual items available for sale through the Service if you are the owner of these virtual items. Mannco.store may, at its sole discretion, remove any item from the Service. You acknowledge and agree that the use of the Service may result in the purchase of virtual items that may be different from those that you have purchased from other users of the Site and Service. Such limitations are beyond Mannco.store’s control. "

 

At the end of the day TOS is TOS, it is the user's responsibility to read the TOS, if you did break TOS then that's on you. (I haven't read their tos but if something like this is there that is just stupid imo)

 

1 hour ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

Alex's Profile Link - https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964027496/

 

https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197964027496 For people who are not aware - Alex is marked as an Alt of a scammer on steam rep.

The only reason why I personally don't trust mannco.store

[Pollen]

4 hours ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

It's up to your eye what you consider of value but at the end of the day it's not about the items. It's about the decency of not trading my items away because I left it unattended and didn't post them. It's pretty obvious this all situation is a scam, this just shows they can take ban anyone and take their items just because they had a bad day at work. Could you show me where it says i can't use the site a storage bot? "3$" is not compensation it is a joke. If you checked the image, those items are worth a lot more than 3$. 

"Your online conduct and interaction with other users of the Site and Service should be guided by common sense and basic etiquette. Mannco.store may terminate your account or access to the Site or Service at any time, which may include the forfeiture and loss of any funds in your account (in Mannco.store’ sole discretion), for any conduct or activity that Mannco.store believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, violates the terms of this Agreement, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of the Site and Service by other users. You acknowledge that Mannco.store is not required to provide you notice before terminating your access to the Service or the Site, which may include the forfeiture and loss of any funds in your account, but it may choose to do so."

 

"As a condition to your use of the Site and Service, you agree not to: (a) impersonate or misrepresent your affiliation with any person or entity; (b) access, tamper with, or use any non-public areas of the Site and Service or Mannco.store’s computer systems; (c) attempt to probe, scan, or test the vulnerability of the Site, Service or any related system or network or breach any security or authentication measures used in connection with the Site, Service and such systems and networks; (d) attempt to decipher, decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise investigate any of the software or components used to provide the Site or Service; (e) harm or threaten to harm other users in any way or interfere with, or attempt to interfere with, the access of any user, host or network, including without limitation, by sending a virus, overloading, flooding, spamming, or mail-bombing the Site or Service, or otherwise; (f) provide payment information belonging to a third party; (g) use the Site or Service in an abusive way contrary to its intended use, to Mannco.store’ policies and instructions, to any obligation you owe to any third party, or to any applicable law; (h) systematically retrieve data or other content from the Service to create or compile, directly or indirectly, in single or multiple downloads, a collection, compilation, database, directory or the like, whether by manual methods, through the use of bots, crawlers, or spiders, or otherwise; (i) make use of the Site or Service in a manner contrary to the terms and conditions under which third parties provide facilities and technology necessary for the operation of the Site and Service, such as Stripe or Valve; (j) infringe third party intellectual property rights when using or accessing the Site or Service, including but not limited to in making available virtual items by using the Service; and (k) make use of, promote, link to or provide access to materials deemed by Mannco.store, at its sole discretion, to be offensive or cause harm to Mannco.store’ reputation, including, but not limited to, illegal content and pornographic content and other content deemed offensive or injurious to Mannco.store and/or the Service (such as Warez sites, IRC bots and bittorent sites)."

 

Depositing tons of garbage items (some worth less than 0.05 metal) and not listing them for sale for 3 weeks and forgetting about them, doesn't really seem like the Website's intended use case. Not only that, they offered you compensation (however small), which they absolutely were not required to do. You acted resolutely unprofessional and decided to decline the compensation and instead attempt to cause harm to their reputation.

 

They are a private company. When you decided to sign up to use their website, you yourself agreed to their terms and conditions. You cannot fault the website for simply abiding by the terms and conditions they set in place.

 

Next time don't use a website as a storage bot if it's got a ton of terms and conditions set in place to punish people for misuse of their website. Simple as that. Just pay for an actual storage bot.

 

Mann co store did nothing wrong. What happened to you will not affect the average user of their website.

 

Also you were rightfully banned. "As a condition to your use of the Site and Service, you agree not to: (...) make use of, promote, link to or provide access to materials deemed by Mannco.store, at its sole discretion, to be offensive or cause harm to Mannco.store’ reputation".

[2OG]

7 minutes ago, Pollen! said:

"Your online conduct and interaction with other users of the Site and Service should be guided by common sense and basic etiquette. Mannco.store may terminate your account or access to the Site or Service at any time, which may include the forfeiture and loss of any funds in your account (in Mannco.store’ sole discretion), for any conduct or activity that Mannco.store believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, violates the terms of this Agreement, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of the Site and Service by other users. You acknowledge that Mannco.store is not required to provide you notice before terminating your access to the Service or the Site, which may include the forfeiture and loss of any funds in your account, but it may choose to do so."

 

"As a condition to your use of the Site and Service, you agree not to: (a) impersonate or misrepresent your affiliation with any person or entity; (b) access, tamper with, or use any non-public areas of the Site and Service or Mannco.store’s computer systems; (c) attempt to probe, scan, or test the vulnerability of the Site, Service or any related system or network or breach any security or authentication measures used in connection with the Site, Service and such systems and networks; (d) attempt to decipher, decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise investigate any of the software or components used to provide the Site or Service; (e) harm or threaten to harm other users in any way or interfere with, or attempt to interfere with, the access of any user, host or network, including without limitation, by sending a virus, overloading, flooding, spamming, or mail-bombing the Site or Service, or otherwise; (f) provide payment information belonging to a third party; (g) use the Site or Service in an abusive way contrary to its intended use, to Mannco.store’ policies and instructions, to any obligation you owe to any third party, or to any applicable law; (h) systematically retrieve data or other content from the Service to create or compile, directly or indirectly, in single or multiple downloads, a collection, compilation, database, directory or the like, whether by manual methods, through the use of bots, crawlers, or spiders, or otherwise; (i) make use of the Site or Service in a manner contrary to the terms and conditions under which third parties provide facilities and technology necessary for the operation of the Site and Service, such as Stripe or Valve; (j) infringe third party intellectual property rights when using or accessing the Site or Service, including but not limited to in making available virtual items by using the Service; and (k) make use of, promote, link to or provide access to materials deemed by Mannco.store, at its sole discretion, to be offensive or cause harm to Mannco.store’ reputation, including, but not limited to, illegal content and pornographic content and other content deemed offensive or injurious to Mannco.store and/or the Service (such as Warez sites, IRC bots and bittorent sites)."

 

Depositing tons of garbage items (some worth less than 0.05 metal) and not listing them for sale for 3 weeks and forgetting about them, doesn't really seem like the Website's intended use case, does it.

They are a private company. When you decided to sign up to use their website, you yourself agreed to their terms and conditions. You cannot fault the website for abiding by the terms and conditions set by them.

 

Next time don't use a website as a storage bot if it's got a ton of terms and conditions set in place to punish people for misuse of the website. Simple as that. Just pay for an actual storage bot.

https://imgur.com/a/f8jPXeo If you consider the first image tons of garbage, that's up to you. I don't know if you read the the conversation between the admins. 

[Pollen]

18 minutes ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

https://imgur.com/a/f8jPXeo If you consider the first image tons of garbage, that's up to you. I don't know if you read the the conversation between the admins. 

I did read the conversation, and yes those items are tons of garbage, it's just a few keys or about $6 in craft hats at most. If it's really the amount you are mad about, I'm surprised they even offered the $3 compensation with the way you treated them, had you been more kind in your whole conversation he likely would've given you more accurate compensation. But you acted quite rude and unprofessional, considering they weren't required to give you anything and the childish way you acted, I actually think that the $3 compensation he offered is actually quite generous.

 

I would actually be worried about something like this happening if the items involved were valuable, when initially reading and clicking on this forum post I thought you had lost a large portion of your inventory or some significant items to the site, upon further inspection this is negligent at best.

 

[Pollen]

41 minutes ago, « SɱokEy » said:

-lol not very professional way to communicate when you run a website.

This clearly wasn't a conversation between a site owner and a site user but rather two Steam users, context is very important and you cannot always expect a party to act rationally and professional when the opposition is also being unexpectedly childish and unprofessional. Had 2OG been more respectful and simply done what he was asked (provide assetID of the items involved and screenshots of trade) the conversation would've been entirely different. If I called you a scammer and said unpleasing things about you, you most likely wouldn't be as inclined to help me would you?

[2OG]

13 minutes ago, Pollen! said:

I did read the conversation, and yes those items are tons of garbage, it's just a few keys or about $6 in craft hats at most. If it's really the amount you are mad about, I'm surprised they even offered the $3 compensation with the way you treated them, had you been more kind in your whole conversation he likely would've given you more accurate compensation. But you acted quite rude and unprofessional, considering they weren't required to give you anything and the childish way you acted, I actually think that the $3 compensation they offered is actually quite generous.

 

I would actually be worried about something like this happening if the items involved were valuable, when initially clicking this forum post I thought you had lost a large portion of your inventory to the site, upon further inspection this is negligent at best.

 

I don't believe you grasp what i'm getting at, It's not about the items. It's about the principle of returning my items and the fact they can do it at any time with no reason. I am not mad about the situation, I am surprised at the fact they could do this, without notice. I acted as respectfully as i could considering the way he responded to the whole situation, I acted due to him back tracking and lying multiple times throughout the conversation, trading the items away before the 3 months had even hit. Imagine next time, few items start disappearing without the traders notice? 

[2OG]

7 minutes ago, Pollen! said:

This clearly wasn't a conversation between a site owner and a site user but rather two Steam users, context is very important and you cannot always expect a party to act rationally and professional when the opposition is also being unexpectedly childish and unprofessional. Had 2OG been more respectful and simply done what he was asked (provide assetID of the items involved and screenshots of trade) the conversation would've been entirely different.

There is no professionalism when someone is clearly stealing your items and selling them, I found humor in the fact he kept lying many times. He told me the items were on "pending deletion", and then later i find out the items were being sold. Pollen I completely understand your side, but this post is not for me to show i got scammed, it's let people know it's very easy to lose your items on mannco.store.   You can take the context however you like but if you can't see the bigger picture here, then i am in fault for not explaining the situation properly. 

[Pollen]

In that case I would agree yes, it's pretty easy to lose your items on their site after reading their terms and conditions, and the fact that they do technically retain the right to terminate everyone's accounts and run with the entire site's inventory is quite scary, I don't use their site personally for other moral reasons such as Smokey mentioned above but I would like to remind you these same things would've applied and still apply to https://marketplace.tf/. They could've done the same thing at a moments notice. Considering the amount of time the website has existed, high amounts of volume on the site's Bot inventories, and amount of items sold successfully, I would say the chance of them running with everyone's items and terminating balances at this point is almost none, they likely would've done it already. I've seen no shortage of people using the site and having it work just fine, only complaints I hear are about setting up Payoneer as it's their only cashout option, cashout fees and strict terms and conditions.

[2OG]

Just now, Pollen! said:

In that case I would agree yes, it's pretty easy to lose your items on their site after reading their terms and conditions, and the fact that they do technically retain the right to terminate everyone's accounts and run with the entire site's inventory is quite scary, I don't use their site personally for other moral reasons such as Smokey mentioned above but I would like to remind you these same things would've technically applied to Marketplace tf, they could've done the same thing at a moments notice, and considering the volume of items sold and amount of time the website has existing without stealing everything I would say it's unlikely at best

And you are right not to use their services, considering the fact they banned me from the site and falsely labelled me as a scammer. Adding onto the fact they publicly put my email out, so that other platforms can ban me.

[Strange]

1 hour ago, « SɱokEy » said:

 

https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197964027496 For people who are not aware - Alex is marked as an Alt of a scammer on steam rep.

The only reason why I personally don't trust mannco.store

Alex got banned for buying a Steam account that was marked on SteamRep, not for directly scamming someone

[Royalcake]

Hit them back, with internet security stuff. Obviously, they are more concerned about the exchange of goods and services rather than human values.

[Norah]

In November I had to make the decision to quite trading when MP shut down, or emigrate to mannco. With each day I'm so glad I chose the former even more.

[Royalcake]

5 minutes ago, Norah said:

In November I had to make the decision to quite trading when MP shut down, or emigrate to mannco. With each day I'm so glad I chose the former even more.

Choice is a word you use in order to switch a person's attention to something that benefits you, not them.

[SOLINVICTUS]

9 minutes ago, Norah said:

In November I had to make the decision to quite trading when MP shut down, or emigrate to mannco. With each day I'm so glad I chose the former even more.

 

why? does your entire trading life revolve around MP and mannco? theres trading outside of those two sites

[Norah]

7 minutes ago, Royalcake said:

Promoting?

The former, i.e, I chose to stop trading completely, (I only traded on MP), as opposed to moving to a sketchy site like mannco, and risking something like what happened to OP happening to me. I just took my money and walked.

[mr. o.g.]

4 hours ago, Payback said:

yikes

 

when you know its bad..

[Norah]

5 minutes ago, AdMortem said:

 

why? does your entire trading life revolve around MP and mannco? theres trading outside of those two sites

 

There is, but I appreciated the passive nature of it, and the fact I never had to downgrade or liquidate items, since money is as liquid as it gets. I did the Steam trading thing for a long time, but the money's not worth the effort at this point. Minimum wage is still leagues higher. (Gonna stop replying now, I don't wanna hijack a thread talking about something genuinely worthwhile with my unwanted anecdotes).

[Taiwanese Businessman]

5 hours ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

And now they banned for what? 

It's your fault for using their bots as a inventory so now you must pay the price for breaking tos.

[SmokE]

4 hours ago, Strange said:

Alex got banned for buying a Steam account that was marked on SteamRep, not for directly scamming someone

While I do not know if this is true or not, I am going to stand with SR mark being on that account making them non-trustable. 
However, its funny "  " to me now ~ Alex bans 2OG for breaking TOS and he himself is breaking Steam TOS if what you said is true https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7496-ROJC-3719