WITHDRAW FROM Mannco.store

[Strange]

3 minutes ago, « SɱokEy » said:

While I do not know if this is true or not, I am going to stand with SR mark being on that account making them non-trustable. 
However, its funny "  " to me now ~ Alex bans 2OG for breaking TOS and he himself is breaking Steam TOS if what you said is true https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7496-ROJC-3719 

It is true, read his rejected SR Appeal: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/appeal-76561198026734540-peanuthero-mannco-trade-banned-by-sr.180729/

[HaloGAMER0329]

36 minutes ago, « SɱokEy » said:

While I do not know if this is true or not, I am going to stand with SR mark being on that account making them non-trustable. 
However, its funny "  " to me now ~ Alex bans 2OG for breaking TOS and he himself is breaking Steam TOS if what you said is true https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7496-ROJC-3719 

pretty sure selling skins for cash is against steam TOS as well and nobody bats an eye.

[SmokE]

  

44 minutes ago, Strange said:

It is true, read his rejected SR Appeal: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/appeal-76561198026734540-peanuthero-mannco-trade-banned-by-sr.180729/

I have already seen that appeal. no proof for anything that was said there & read the reason for declining.

This peanutero is linked as Alex's alt on SR. If I remember right, they (Alex & other mannco staff) directly decline Peanuthero is Alex's alt everywhere and say its totally a different person, Even in this beautiful story https://mannco.store/articles/13

"Peanuthero had to move aside to bring back our reputation and that's when Alex came in" - and what you are saying here is Alex is peanuthero? well that's already clear from SR mark.

 

11 minutes ago, HaloGAMER0329 said:

pretty sure selling skins for cash is against steam TOS as well and nobody bats an eye.

I don't think so? or maybe I am wrong, I just haven't seen a steam policy against buying selling items outside steam. I am pretty sure valve must be aware of cs.money and cs.deals that buys and sells ALOT of cs items

 

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
Steam may include one or more features or sites that allow Subscribers to trade, sell or purchase certain types of Subscriptions (for example, license rights to virtual items) with, to or from other Subscribers ("Subscription Marketplaces"). An example of a Subscription Marketplace is the Steam Community Market. By using or participating in Subscription Marketplaces, you authorize Valve, on its own behalf or as an agent or licensee of any third-party creator or publisher of the applicable Subscriptions in your Account, to transfer those Subscriptions from your Account in order to give effect to any trade or sale you make.
This is guess means you are allowed to trade ingame items outside of steam market? - or is my understanding incorrect

[HaloGAMER0329]

27 minutes ago, « SɱokEy » said:

  

I have already seen that appeal. no proof for anything that was said there & read the reason for declining.

This peanutero is linked as Alex's alt on SR. If I remember right, they (Alex & other mannco staff) directly decline Peanuthero is Alex's alt everywhere and say its totally a different person, Even in this beautiful story https://mannco.store/articles/13

"Peanuthero had to move aside to bring back our reputation and that's when Alex came in" - and what you are saying here is Alex is peanuthero? well that's already clear from SR mark.

 

I don't think so? or maybe I am wrong, I just haven't seen a steam policy against buying selling items outside steam. I am pretty sure valve must be aware of cs.money and cs.deals that buys and sells ALOT of cs items

 

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
Steam may include one or more features or sites that allow Subscribers to trade, sell or purchase certain types of Subscriptions (for example, license rights to virtual items) with, to or from other Subscribers ("Subscription Marketplaces"). An example of a Subscription Marketplace is the Steam Community Market. By using or participating in Subscription Marketplaces, you authorize Valve, on its own behalf or as an agent or licensee of any third-party creator or publisher of the applicable Subscriptions in your Account, to transfer those Subscriptions from your Account in order to give effect to any trade or sale you make.
This is guess means you are allowed to trade ingame items outside of steam market? - or is my understanding incorrect

That entire section is only talking about the Steam Community Market, you can buy with cash but you cant get cash out, as far as valve is concerned wallet funds are not cash.  "Steam Wallet funds do not constitute a personal property right, have no value outside Steam and can only be used to purchase Subscriptions and related content via Steam (including but not limited to games and other applications offered through the Steam Store, or in a Steam Subscription Marketplace) and Hardware. Steam Wallet funds have no cash value and are not exchangeable for cash."

 

Valve recently banned CSGO Rep, the largest steam group for cash trading in csgo that had been active for years, presumably because it was involved in cash trading. 

Just because they havent done anything about other sites until now doesnt mean they wont at some point.

 

Steam calls virtual items the content and services "The Steam client software and any other software, content, and updates you download or access via Steam, including but not limited to Valve or third-party video games and in-game content, software associated with Hardware and any virtual items you trade, sell or purchase in a Steam Subscription Marketplace are referred to in this Agreement as "Content and Services;" the rights to access and/or use any Content and Services accessible through Steam are referred to in this Agreement as "Subscriptions."

 

Valve goes on to say you are not sell the "content and services" "You are entitled to use the Content and Services for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Content and Services to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Content and Services to others without the prior written consent of Valve, except to the extent expressly permitted elsewhere in this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use);"

 

Valve definitely does not condone trading items for real money

[🔥Master Throne Crimson🔥]

7 hours ago, Pollen! said:

I'm surprised they even offered the $3 compensation with the way you treated them

Sry if dis already been mentioned, no matter what, as a "company", they are expected to act professional. Customer is a customer

[dtn]

so, you were basically saving space using bots' inv space with your non-valued unique weapons

 

and you're crying like a baby now just because they took like $2 from you (and they're not wrong)

 

look at your backpack. these weapons are nothing to you

 

you're just being ridiculous at this point

[2OG]

12 minutes ago, dtn said:

so, you were basically saving space using bots inv space with your non-valued unique weapons

 

and you're crying like a baby now just because they took like $2 from you (and they're not wrong)

 

look at your backpack. these weapons are nothing to you

 

you're just being ridiculous at this point

Not sure if you read anything I wrote, it's not about the items. This post is to let people know about the fact they can steal anyone's items at any point in time. They have the power to take someones items at will and trade it off, that's a little scary. And if you looked at the screenshot you can clearly see it's a lot more than 2$, few of the items(hats/mics) are worth a key or few keys each. Appreciate your input on the situation.

[Program]

I have never used mannco store before (to my knowledge, I never liked it and felt it was sketch), but yeah, this really makes me feel good about my choice.

[Spyromancer]

One of the Frozen Icefall Chullos was lost to an api scam that hijacked their deposit to a mannco.store bot. Something fishy here.

[Goldman Sachs]

Yo, just checking did he give the items back to you?  I see that you broke the TOS (as badly written as it is) however normally even then they should give the items back to you.  Otherwise it might be grounds to get Valve involved your entitled to those items as they belong to you, or at least should be in your control in the same way as being scammed and sharked for your items.

This should be the nail in the coffin if its true, now we have proof of it rather than he said she said. 

EDIT: Also where has this "3 month" automatic thing come from, that's not in the TOS as far as I'm aware.

[wizardkidzards]

trader mains seething, stay mad

 

real talk though, i don't understand why you're surprised. everybody who buys tf2 items on third-party sites knows that mannco.store is sketchy. before the seller program closed down on marketplace, mannco.store was only used by scammers and by people who were banned from backpack.tf.  in addition, the owner of the website is even infamous for being sketchy himself. yeah, it sucks that mannco.store staff can seemingly do what they want with your items with little to no repercussions, but you should've seen it coming due to fact that the website's reputation precedes itself. just take the L and move on, maybe be more careful in the future or something.

 

i'm in no way defending the sketchy practices of the staff by the way if i didn't make myself clear above, clearly what they did is despicable. however, as i said above, due to the reputation of mannco.store being what it is, something like this happening should have been a consequence you should have at the very least been prepared to face. 

[Moder112]

Edit: removed what i originally said, missed there being a second page

 

While I'm here might as well throw my two cents in

It's debetable whether off-site cash trading is prohibited, or simply just not supported by valve, with how many cash sites there are.

The only case of them targetting a cash site was when it tried to bypass the escrow system.

 

There exists little archival of that group but it's possible that what the group was banned for, was the practice of selling and trading accounts as well as steam funds, considering the site meant to replace them felt the need to go out of their way to specify that those practices are prohitibted.

[thE siLEncE]

Actually, looking closer at your profile... You are planning a competing website. This whole thing was likely from the start a strategy to cause harm to your future competitor. Based on your backpack, this IS a bunch of garbage item. Likely were just trying to cause harm to them by filling up their bots with a bunch of trash with no intention of selling them. Or knowing that after time items will get removed, will post this message trying cause their reputation harm. More and more I read about mannco, the more I believe that their negative rep is fabricated by competitors. Actually surprised they compensated you at all. And you are surprised they ban you?? Realy. Why would they allow you on their site when all you intend to do is cause their site harm? 

[2OG]

1 hour ago, thE siLEncE said:

Actually, looking closer at your profile... You are planning a competing website. This whole thing was likely from the start a strategy to cause harm to your future competitor. Based on your backpack, this IS a bunch of garbage item. Likely were just trying to cause harm to them by filling up their bots with a bunch of trash with no intention of selling them. Or knowing that after time items will get removed, will post this message trying cause their reputation harm. More and more I read about mannco, the more I believe that their negative rep is fabricated by competitors. Actually surprised they compensated you at all. And you are surprised they ban you?? Realy. Why would they allow you on their site when all you intend to do is cause their site harm? 

Wow! If you want to believe that go ahead, i can't stop you assuming things. That was and will never be my intention, I want all the coming sites and current sites to be successful. This post is let people know that TOS rules like the one mannco has can activated at any instant without warning and the fact they would sell your items for their profit is ridiculous, rather than actually returning it (check the screenshots to see of those items are actually "trash" as you stated). 

 

[thE siLEncE]

Yes, I checked the screenshots. 95% of the items are cheap craft hats (less than 2 ref each) , unique drop weapons (half a scrap each), couple of vintages, robo parts and count transfer tools. Then 1 or 2 valuable items like the byted beak. Why not say what is the total worth of that? Sure you know the figure. Then maybe just follow up with this. What was your (top 100 backpack) intention with uploading all those low value items and leaving them on their site for 3 months? 

[Abstract]

56 minutes ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

Wow! If you want to believe that go ahead, i can't stop you assuming things. That was and will never be my intention, I want all the coming sites and current sites to be successful. This post is let people know that TOS rules like the one mannco has can activated at any instant without warning and the fact they would sell your items for their profit is ridiculous, rather than actually returning it (check the screenshots to see of those items are actually "trash" as you stated). 

 

Yeah, this inactivity policy is scary for anyone who let's say decides to leave some unusuals on mannco for a few months only to find out that their items are gone without getting any money...

[King of KFC Jamal]

Never forget I was permbanned and was magically offlined for days after having a public convo with Geel about the past $50k scam by a "rogue admin"

[🔥Master Throne Crimson🔥]

3 hours ago, thE siLEncE said:

Actually, looking closer at your profile... You are planning a competing website. This whole thing was likely from the start a strategy to cause harm to your future competitor.

Yeah and geel says to be wary around mannco to harm a future competitor aswe- oh wait, he practically closed his site, isn't that weird

[fork]

On 4/1/2021 at 10:14 AM, Pollen! said:

"Your online conduct and interaction with other users of the Site and Service should be guided by common sense and basic etiquette. Mannco.store may terminate your account or access to the Site or Service at any time, which may include the forfeiture and loss of any funds in your account (in Mannco.store’ sole discretion), for any conduct or activity that Mannco.store believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, violates the terms of this Agreement, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of the Site and Service by other users. You acknowledge that Mannco.store is not required to provide you notice before terminating your access to the Service or the Site, which may include the forfeiture and loss of any funds in your account, but it may choose to do so."

 

"As a condition to your use of the Site and Service, you agree not to: (a) impersonate or misrepresent your affiliation with any person or entity; (b) access, tamper with, or use any non-public areas of the Site and Service or Mannco.store’s computer systems; (c) attempt to probe, scan, or test the vulnerability of the Site, Service or any related system or network or breach any security or authentication measures used in connection with the Site, Service and such systems and networks; (d) attempt to decipher, decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise investigate any of the software or components used to provide the Site or Service; (e) harm or threaten to harm other users in any way or interfere with, or attempt to interfere with, the access of any user, host or network, including without limitation, by sending a virus, overloading, flooding, spamming, or mail-bombing the Site or Service, or otherwise; (f) provide payment information belonging to a third party; (g) use the Site or Service in an abusive way contrary to its intended use, to Mannco.store’ policies and instructions, to any obligation you owe to any third party, or to any applicable law; (h) systematically retrieve data or other content from the Service to create or compile, directly or indirectly, in single or multiple downloads, a collection, compilation, database, directory or the like, whether by manual methods, through the use of bots, crawlers, or spiders, or otherwise; (i) make use of the Site or Service in a manner contrary to the terms and conditions under which third parties provide facilities and technology necessary for the operation of the Site and Service, such as Stripe or Valve; (j) infringe third party intellectual property rights when using or accessing the Site or Service, including but not limited to in making available virtual items by using the Service; and (k) make use of, promote, link to or provide access to materials deemed by Mannco.store, at its sole discretion, to be offensive or cause harm to Mannco.store’ reputation, including, but not limited to, illegal content and pornographic content and other content deemed offensive or injurious to Mannco.store and/or the Service (such as Warez sites, IRC bots and bittorent sites)."

 

Depositing tons of garbage items (some worth less than 0.05 metal) and not listing them for sale for 3 weeks and forgetting about them, doesn't really seem like the Website's intended use case. Not only that, they offered you compensation (however small), which they absolutely were not required to do. You acted resolutely unprofessional and decided to decline the compensation and instead attempt to cause harm to their reputation.

 

They are a private company. When you decided to sign up to use their website, you yourself agreed to their terms and conditions. You cannot fault the website for simply abiding by the terms and conditions they set in place.

 

Next time don't use a website as a storage bot if it's got a ton of terms and conditions set in place to punish people for misuse of their website. Simple as that. Just pay for an actual storage bot.

 

Mann co store did nothing wrong. What happened to you will not affect the average user of their website.

 

Also you were rightfully banned. "As a condition to your use of the Site and Service, you agree not to: (...) make use of, promote, link to or provide access to materials deemed by Mannco.store, at its sole discretion, to be offensive or cause harm to Mannco.store’ reputation".

UNREAL.

[🔥Master Throne Crimson🔥]

17 hours ago, dtn said:

so, you were basically saving space using bots' inv space with your non-valued unique weapons

Shitty thing to do, luckily for the people, this thing he did ended up shining light on a very shady part of their TOS, cause we all know the meme "Yes, I have read the terms of service.". I have very briefly read this situation and this is the summary i was able to give, unfortunate that not all people read situations for what they are.

[HaloGAMER0329]

2 hours ago, OneGameOneGamer said:

Wow! If you want to believe that go ahead, i can't stop you assuming things. That was and will never be my intention, I want all the coming sites and current sites to be successful. This post is let people know that TOS rules like the one mannco has can activated at any instant without warning and the fact they would sell your items for their profit is ridiculous, rather than actually returning it (check the screenshots to see of those items are actually "trash" as you stated). 

 

They offered credit for what your items were worth, what does it matter, you have  $30000 inventory why are you trolling them filling their bots with 1 cent items you have no intention to sell?

[Spyromancer]

3 hours ago, thE siLEncE said:

Yes, I checked the screenshots. 95% of the items are cheap craft hats (less than 2 ref each) , unique drop weapons (half a scrap each), couple of vintages, robo parts and count transfer tools. Then 1 or 2 valuable items like the byted beak. Why not say what is the total worth of that? Sure you know the figure. Then maybe just follow up with this. What was your (top 100 backpack) intention with uploading all those low value items and leaving them on their site for 3 months? 

What's your comment on the api bot scam regarding the Frozen Icefall Chill Chullo and Divine Desire Antarctic Eyewear?
To be fair, the victim in this case has simultaneous told me he "bought 400 keys to cover the loss" AND "I can't afford a civil claims/ class action lawyer" within 5 minutes

[Goldman Sachs]

4 hours ago, HaloGAMER0329 said:

They offered credit for what your items were worth, what does it matter, you have  $30000 inventory why are you trolling them filling their bots with 1 cent items you have no intention to sell?

Ae this is good at least thus Mannco have just scraped through this time.  Though the 3 months provision is what I'm still concerned about.

But it looks like its a shitshow from both sides at this point, KEKW would be the best response to this case now.  We need something a lot stronger than this.  Sorry brother being scammed for $3, then being offered $3 credit when you have a $30,000 inventory doesn't look that good on paper. 

[Brown]

5 hours ago, Spyromancer said:

What's your comment on the api bot scam regarding the Frozen Icefall Chill Chullo and Divine Desire Antarctic Eyewear?
To be fair, the victim in this case has simultaneous told me he "bought 400 keys to cover the loss" AND "I can't afford a civil claims/ class action lawyer" within 5 minutes

API scam is unlikely to have anything to do with manncostore. A hijacker usually redirects any outgoing trade offers to their account, it's likely coincidence that it was intended for manncostore.

[Tasty Salamanders]

11 hours ago, Master Throne Crimson said:

Shitty thing to do, luckily for the people, this thing he did ended up shining light on a very shady part of their TOS, cause we all know the meme "Yes, I have read the terms of service.". I have very briefly read this situation and this is the summary i was able to give, unfortunate that not all people read situations for what they are.

I'm fairly sure Geel has stuff in his terms of service about not using his bots as storage and also about when your items might be forfeit.

 

https://scrap.tf/rules

Raffle Rules
8. Bot space is precious. For this reason, we have certain policies regarding undelivered items:

1. If an item has not been collected by the winner after 2 weeks, the item is assigned to the raffler.
2. If the raffler delays receiving the item for a further 2 weeks, the item is returned to the site owners.