Bernie Sanders supporters: why do you support Bernie Sanders?

[funkle]

Citi is the leading global bank. Citi strives to create the best outcomes for our clients and customers with financial solutions that are simple, creative and ...

-- first line on their site

 

THOSE guys says we shouldn't be taxing Wall St. ? Color me shocked.

 

 

And yeah, "Raising taxes during a recession speaks for itself" ... but there's no recession right now.

You can't argue you should't raise taxes during a recession, and you shouldn't raise taxes where there isn't one. That's just trying to cover up the fact you're against raising taxes.

 

(news flash - there always might be an other recession on the horizon).

 

Indeed: for instance, it's the first sub-point I noted of in "money out of politics".

 

 

I have no idea why I keep replying to you if you're not even going to take the time to read through and actually understand what I'm saying. Color you shocked? I'd color you ignorant first... I obviously did not say that Citigroup believes raising taxes is bad. I said that they're predicting a recession in the near future. You could of even read the article I linked and saw that it wasn't what I was referencing Citigroup for.

"Citigroup put out into the open something that is on everyone's mind lately, and that's the idea of there being a global recession sometime in the very near future." Linked article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-25/citi-here-comes-a-global-recession

What I'm saying myself that raising taxes right away at the same time as a weak marketplace won't work well for anyone. There's no time to see the effects of one thing first and there's no time for an economy to adjust. One of these things could happen the year after or 10 years down the road from the first, but as long as it's not all these new drastic changes all at once. Right now we're already seeing how the effects of raised interest rates are going to affect our economy, we have to take things one step at a time. 

[♠Derpeh♤]

Right now we're already seeing how the effects of raised interest rates are going to affect our economy, we have to take things one step at a time.

Worth mentioning that historically speaking adding in a similar tax has never really worked, it generates money in the short term but in the long run causes too many problems. Which is why Sweden (or was it France?) Had to remove the tax since it was detrimental to the market, they re introduced it later and saw the same thing. There is already a small% usage fee (and it's already taxable income if they "cashout") and adding a tax on top of that sounds okay but when you look at the big picture it effect everything and destabilises the market causing spread between sellers and buyers.

 

This is also why i didnt understand bernies message... He was like the economy is doing bad that the wall street speculation is the cause of the recession/on going depression we need to make them pay...etc how the f*ck will taking out 1% of the market to fucken them over even more help your economy then?!

 

And...dont think the market will be 'stable' any time soon looking at crude oil market lol.

Sum up for those who dont know: crude oil powers everything (except renewables) 99% of all power is derived from crude oil. Isis controls large amounts of oil > dumps it at low prices for money > market goes to shit > OPEC cant do shit (made up of the big players to control the price of oil, not too low not too high) > OPEC essentially was like every man for himself > oil prices dip > ripple effect in every market.

[Hyperqube]

I have no idea why I keep replying to you if you're not even going to take the time to read through and actually understand what I'm saying. Color you shocked? I'd color you ignorant first... I obviously did not say that Citigroup believes raising taxes is bad.

 

Well, if you wanna ad hominim, - that I don't read what you link, or that I'm ignorant:

Apparently I don't need to read the article that to know Citi advocates abenomics.

Apparently even ignorant people such as myself know that abenomics is a set of strategies to encourage private investment.

Apparently even ignorant people such as myself know that can put 1 & 1 together, and understand that that means they are against taxing wallstreet.

 

We have to take things one step at a time.

That's true - but to be willing to go step by step, you need to be willing to move first.

 

If you start of by holding to the position we can't tax Wall Street - then we'll won't be able to tax them step by step either.

[The One]

Well this thread is over. Even if Bernie outperforms this poll by 10 points in each state, he would still lose.

 

[funkle]

This thread has been over. Everyone knows Sanders is a deadbeat now.

[silencedotmid]

This thread has been over. Everyone knows Sanders is a deadbeat now.

The youth voting bloc did what the youth voting bloc does best: fail their candidates by not voting.

But!

Bernie's gonna stay in the primaries until they're over, even if he can't win. This is because he still has influential power. Sanders has already done his part in shifting the Democratic Party (and hillary) to be more progressive in social and economic issues. Instead of a centre-left party, the Democrats are becoming ever-closer to democratic socialist. And that's not a bad thing in my book.

Also!

Just because your vote for Bernie won't matter in the long run doesn't mean that you shouldn't vote. You'll also get to vote on local and state referendums on your ballot, and your vote really does matter on those.

 

TL;DR Bernie or not, please fucking vote

[Hyperqube]

I'm not going to adress if he's still ellectable or not - seeing as I still see articles pop up that say it's still not over

(some argue that it's only over when it's over; one on politico pointed out that he could still win if he's able to persuade the superdeleates; ...)

 

Sanders has already done his part in shifting the Democratic Party (and hillary) to be more progressive in social and economic issues.

 

Just because your vote for Bernie won't matter in the long run doesn't mean that you shouldn't vote.

Heck, even if Bernie doesn't get elected, every vote for him now is a vote that that tells Hillary to watch out.

 

The only vote that won't matter - is the vote that isn't cast.

[Poorest scrub]

If he wins ny it could end up being a contested convention

[funkle]

If he wins ny it could end up being a contested convention

There's more to go, but he has the momentum coming back to the east coast from the west. 

[Poorest scrub]

There's more to go, but he has the momentum coming back to the east coast from the west.

 

Yeah, basically still underdog but he does have a chance. But he has to win ny first and thats a big if

[The One]

There's more to go, but he has the momentum coming back to the east coast from the west. 

 

There's also the argument that past states were in his favour and he's entering Clinton territory.

 

I saw a post saying that Clinton only needs 37.4% of the remaining pledged delegates to reach a majority (2,383) by June 7th[/post], which I think makes sense.

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughsandersspam/comments/4dn9jw/clinton_only_needs_374_of_the_remaining_pledged/

[Sniper Noob]

There's also the argument that past states were in his favour and he's entering Clinton territory.

 

I'd actually disagree with that. Clinton did/does better in more purple/southern states because there are few liberals there and people are more moderate/conservative in their views. The opposite is true for the northern/coastal states, which is where the majority of the remaining states are. I think Bernie could do really well in the upcoming primaries and draw closer.

[xG:CL Scootaloo]

If I were to pick a reason I support Sanders over any of the other candidates, I'd probably say it's the sincerity behind what he stands for.

Bernie has always been on the right side of controversial segregation issues. He marched with Dr. Martin Luther King JR. He has been a long-standing advocate for LGBTQ rights. And he strives to fight for the lower and middle class Americans.

When I hear of instances where other candidates have flip-flopped on issues, it brings a sense of uncertainty to mind. How can I trust a politician who has changed their mind three or four times on an issue to stay sincere in office after an election? The main reason I prefer Bernie over others is because he has stuck to his guns over the course of his political career and hasn't changed his stance, one that says "Everyone is equal and deserves the same chance in our country."

It isn't about free stuff. It isn't about living off of the government. It's about making sure each person in our country has the same ample opportunities as each other, regardless of race, gender, or financial stability. 

Do I agree in a $15 minimum wage? Or 100% free tuition for college? As someone who paid his way through his Bachelor's degree, I can honestly say I earned my keep, so I don't necessarily feel those are the correct steps to take, but I support Bernie fighting for a better base for people to live a more comfortable life. College SHOULD be affordable. Minimum wage SHOULD support a person if they are working a full time job. Healthcare SHOULD be available to everyone as a right, not a privilege. But more than anything, I feel like I can trust what Bernie will try to do if he is elected. Whether or not anything he advocates for actually passes is another problem altogether, but at least I know what he will advocate for going into the White House.

Hillary, I feel, is a corporate shill trying to blend in with younger constituates. The woman hasn't driven herself anywhere once this century, charges asinine speaking fees, and advocates to big corporate, yet she wants us to believe she best represents the lower and middle class? I have a hard time believing she knows what a vaccuum is, let alone ever used one, and that's suppose to represent the normal, every day working American? I don't buy it. 

But that's just me. I don't identify with a majority of the Republican candidates because my beliefs and views fall far away from the Right side, but if I had to choose one, I'd probably side with Kasich over the others. Trump is riding this thing out on his ego and doing whatever necessary to garnish the far Right vote. Sad thing is that it's working.