Toad Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Update: See comment at end of this page "How do I make money?" Our old friend is back at it again. Reference: He autobumps his buy orders even if they go past the sell orders. Does this mean if you put in a buy order for 100 keys, he'll instantly put one for 100 keys + a ref? Yup. But he won't honor the trade, ignore it, or block you so he doesn't have to do the trade and can avoid the ban like he's done with most of us. It's going to come a point where us other traders are going to follow his tactics because he literally gets to pick and choose what buy orders he fulfills. It'd make sense to have a rule stating you couldn't have your buy order past sell orders, but I'm not in charge of the rules. He continues to ruin buyorders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowka Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 That screenshot just gave me a headache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingLollipop Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 classifieds rules are weak both ways sellers that don't take their buyouts buyers that don't pay what they've listed I fundamentally don't understand why there aren't LONG TERM bans. Yes the mods will say, yet again, report them we'll do something. And we'll see the same buyer/seller behavior until the end of time, because nothing meaningful is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTexanTiger Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Not much you can do except report them. Bots are cancer anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seminal Inhalation Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, LaughingLollipop said: classifieds rules are weak both ways sellers that don't take their buyouts buyers that don't pay what they've listed I fundamentally don't understand why there aren't LONG TERM bans. Yes the mods will say, yet again, report them we'll do something. And we'll see the same buyer/seller behavior until the end of time, because nothing meaningful is done. Sometimes people won't even get punished OR warned, they'll just have their listing taken down with 0 notifications and they'll think that it was "a bug" and relist it immediately without repercussion. I think a separate punishment like "Classifieds listing bans" might do decent against classifieds abusers if that's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimiandchong Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I have a report open from over 3 weeks ago over some buy order shit and it hasnt been touched lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awsommv Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 just donate more lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Mann Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I've had many bots decline my offer for the exact amount they were buying for and instantly relist it to match all of the other buyers and resends the offer with the lower amount and the message "Your offer contains wrong value. You've probably made a few mistakes, here's the correct offer." Even on ones that have been up for 10+ hours. It has been happening more frequently lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Frank Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Except he's not a bot? There's not a single bot above sell orders in the first place in your screenshot. And besides, even if all bots follow, that just means the old sell orders were low. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincentius Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, Very Frank said: Except he's not a bot? There's not a single bot above sell orders in the first place in your screenshot. And besides, even if all bots follow, that just means the old sell orders were low. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Devil May Cry bots his listings, this has been well known for some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puppier Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Burning Mann said: I've had many bots decline my offer for the exact amount they were buying for and instantly relist it to match all of the other buyers and resends the offer with the lower amount and the message "Your offer contains wrong value. You've probably made a few mistakes, here's the correct offer." Even on ones that have been up for 10+ hours. It has been happening more frequently lately. this happened to me today but the trade offer expired. was wondering what the deal with that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus_Junior Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Seminal Inhalation said: Sometimes people won't even get punished OR warned, they'll just have their listing taken down with 0 notifications and they'll think that it was "a bug" and relist it immediately without repercussion. I think a separate punishment like "Classifieds listing bans" might do decent against classifieds abusers if that's possible. What? You always get a notification if a listing is removed by a mod. Nearly all cases also includes an extra notification with a message from a mod in thread form stating why it was removed. Classifieds bans exist, we use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Zeus_Junior said: What? You always get a notification if a listing is removed by a mod. Nearly all cases also includes an extra notification with a message from a mod in thread form stating why it was removed. Classifieds bans exist, we use them. Can you use one on Devil May Cry then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G R O W U P Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 @Zeus_Junior its funny because when i put a B/O of 1 key for 3 tickets; which there are atleast 2 at any given moment, i get 24 hour ban. thats fine i accept it since its on the rules. but when this guy abuses b/o and gets off with a warning? where is the line? from what i understand if there are multiple reports concentrated within a time period then it leads to some sort of action. But going through the last post it seemed that one of the mods outright said (paraphrasing) since it has been 3+ months since the report was opened; we are gonna let it go. ?? i think there were a few expectations to take action which would go beyond only warnings, if you don't perma ban this user for multiple offences how about atleast 24 hour/48 hour or even 72 for each repeated offences? the repeated lack of action by pixel was viewed as the mod (pixel) trying to defend devil a user who (i believe the reason is because) has a inventory with significance - and when you put these two together the response doesn't look very biased or corrupt. However due to the contributors, the post it was a horrible rant rather than a productive conversation. i just want to understand what are the exact protocols for banning/warning? are you able to see exactly how many offences a certain user has made in total when making a descision? To be honest till reading linked post i didnt even know you could apply to be a moderator - i thought the mods were chosen from the start of backpack creation and haven't changed since then. If you are having trouble with the lack of moderators why dont you advertise you can join the team. I'm pretty sure many people would do it for free like they have already with suggestions. So a second part of my equiry would be: how do you become a mod? and how what requirements do you need to meet? A reply here or in dms is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melusine Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 And I get a spam-warning for typing 'cool beans'? That's some BS right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 This user has a clear history of abusing the system, multiple high level traders are explaining how he's been circumventing bans, and when he's still clearly abusing buy orders... I don't know anymore. I said in the linked thread above he has a connection with a mod(s) or admin(s) and it seems like this can't be denied anymore. So fucking tired of this outright corruption and a lack of action. This is what will likely happen very soon by the unusual trading community: Much of the unusual trading community will copy him (I am not saying I will). Put unreasonably high buy orders up, block people who send offers that meet the order, and then lower the order. It's a way to get to pick and choose what offers you get -- block the guy who offered you nuts n' bolts, accept the offer for a higher tier effect. Or, let the trade expire, perhaps even have your metal/keys constantly go unavailable. This is what he does, and I can absolutely assure you mods, this will destroy buy orders sooner rather than later. I've already suggested the user be outright banned or perhaps instate a rule to not list buy orders past sell orders, but until then, shit won't be pretty on unusual classifieds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FP jh34ghu43gu Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Remember when an admin replied in the old thread "So, think carefully and make sure you guys are okay with going forward with a stricter rules regarding this issue. Do not circle back about catching bans if you want to head into a stricter direction. " and everyone collectively said "YES ENFORCE THE RULES" and here we are with about 0 change? Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moder112 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Oh boy this guy. I regret that I didn't report when he pulled this shit on me. I kept putting it off until it was too late. Can't find the trade declined screenshot, but as you can see by my listings I still have that crap hat, so he clearly didn't accept lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w0lk Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Bot trading was a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moder112 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 hours ago, w0lk said: Bot trading was a mistake If he was an actual bot he'd be forced to accept, he's just a scripter. Nobody likes scripters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Frank Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, Moder112 said: If he was an actual bot he'd be forced to accept, he's just a scripter. Nobody likes scripters Not really, some bots have their listings but they just resend to match with lower listings, which is incredibly frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.demon kraken Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I got a 24h classified ban for not knowing how to make custom buy orders with paints. While people like this get to walk free without ANY suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 https://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Toy Tailor/Tradable/Craftable/59 https://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Noble Nickel Amassment of Hats/Tradable/Craftable/59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Update 2/27/2022 Just had all my listings removed when I tried to compete with this user, I was told that I am "selective trading." User is still bumping his trades past sell orders. And for the last ~2 weeks, I've posted (and deleted some) forum statuses of instances, posted on my steam profile, and posted above where this was happening. This comment sums it up well: As of 2/27/2022, I checked a random 10 listings and found 3 that either met or exceeded the sell orders: https://imgur.com/a/bRN7mMj Of those 10, there were a few that were extremely close to the lowest seller -- any unusual trader would tell you this is asking to lose money and he's doing something shady. In the 2 weeks I've noticed behavior from this user: -Bumps his buy orders to at/above sell orders then lowers it when he gets a trade. -From the trade offers I received, it's clear he is ignoring offers and accepting the best ones. People are sending me offers even though his offers are higher because he doesn't accept them / accepts the best effect. His backpack history supports this. -He is only "online"/bumps his trades about once a day, helping to avoid reports and detection. He then accepts only the best offer, making his metal/keys no longer available. -As I mentioned before, he often blocks users who have sent him offers that meet his buy orders, meaning he literally cannot trade them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOLINVICTUS Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 why were your listings removed? edit: nevermind, just read your post again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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