Yet Another PC Build Thread

[Sniper Noob]

I'm looking to potentially build a PC. Ol' Reliable from 2012 has served me well, but she's starting to slow down, have random BSoDs, crash during games, etc. I think it might be time for an upgrade.

 

I use this for a few games (TF2, Rocket League, Factorio) and some other stuff, but nothing more intensive than that.

 

I'd love to spend about 1000 or less (peripherals not included), but I'm willing to spend a little extra if it means better quality and reliability. I don't want shitty parts.

 

I also will not be overclocking or tampering with hardware in any way.

 

I've come up with some parts, but I've been out of the building game for 6 years so I'm not very up to date on what's what now. I need help with GPU mostly.

 

I have a 1TB storage drive I plan to carry over as well (I think this is possible as long as the OS isn't on here?).

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($265.98 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $799.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-06 22:19 EST-0500

[SoranoGuardias]

Yeah, you had an oddball configuration. Maybe this will be more to your liking.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($268.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($50.91 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus - TUF B360M-E GAMING Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($94.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($67.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB Mini Video Card  ($299.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.00 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ B&H) 
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75 CFM 120mm Fan  ($24.94 @ Amazon) 
Total: $976.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-06 23:37 EST-0500

[Adolf Storms]

o/p...

Don't use that motherboard! There are plenty better and for less. The asus micro ones are better bang-for-the-buck. A good GPU is a 6gb 1060gtx. Loads of gaming power and VR ready. IMO the best of all worlds ($ vs what u get). Would recommend getting a 500 gb SS drive too for the $20-30 difference between a 250 and a 500 it's worth it. A 550 p/s is ok, but there again for the little price diff might as well get a 650 or 750 so you can handle everything u can throw at it

 

[mb_]

Yeah better go with last 9 CPU gen for same money...

 

[Sniper Noob]

Alright here's an updated list of what I have:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($268.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - Arctic Alumina Premium Ceramic Polysynthetic 1.75 g Thermal Paste  ($4.09 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB SC GAMING Video Card  ($259.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan  ($16.79 @ Amazon) 
Total: $977.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-07 00:51 EST-0500

 

I'd like to keep the Case, RAM, SSD, and PSU. I've had good experiences with all of them and I'm willing to pay a little more for it.

 

Motherboard is still a question mark. I'm not going to buy something with 0 reviews like Sorano posted so any other suggestions would be great.

[S T E W]

Why are all of these CPUs K-sku. He literally said he isn't going to be overclocking, so it's a pointless waste of money.

[Sniper Noob]

6 minutes ago, S T E W said:

Why are all of these CPUs K-sku. He literally said he isn't going to be overclocking, so it's a pointless waste of money.

 

All of the 9th Gen Intel CPUs are K

[S T E W]

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6pDrQZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6pDrQZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($183.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($31.50 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($105.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($67.85 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB Mini Video Card  ($299.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($63.00 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($86.11 @ Amazon) 
Total: $998.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-07 14:20 EST-0500

 

I'm an intel guy myself, but here is a ryzen build that will  perform just as admirably, with a better gpu.

[S T E W]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ZwVuH_tinzgpsOdfMvYeCLI5ZbIpnq5fyiWD4NCkkU/edit#gid=0

 

B450/X470 motherboard tier list. Ryzen chips.

 

There is an intel one floating around somewhere.

[Sniper Noob]

29 minutes ago, S T E W said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ZwVuH_tinzgpsOdfMvYeCLI5ZbIpnq5fyiWD4NCkkU/edit#gid=0

 

B450/X470 motherboard tier list. Ryzen chips.

 

There is an intel one floating around somewhere.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - Arctic Alumina Premium Ceramic Polysynthetic 1.75 g Thermal Paste  ($4.09 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB SC GAMING Video Card  ($259.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan  ($16.79 @ Amazon) 
Total: $973.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-07 14:52 EST-0500

 

Questions:

Do I need the aftermarket cooler if I'm not overclocking? If so, will it fit natively to that Mobo? PCPP is giving me a warning about it.

That Zotac GPU has sketchy reviews so for $40 less I think it's worth sticking with the 1060 no?

[S T E W]

25 minutes ago, Sniper Noob said:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver - Arctic Alumina Premium Ceramic Polysynthetic 1.75 g Thermal Paste  ($4.09 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB SC GAMING Video Card  ($259.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan  ($16.79 @ Amazon) 
Total: $973.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-07 14:52 EST-0500

 

Questions:

Do I need the aftermarket cooler if I'm not overclocking? If so, will it fit natively to that Mobo? PCPP is giving me a warning about it.

That Zotac GPU has sketchy reviews so for $40 less I think it's worth sticking with the 1060 no?

Nope, there is no need for the aftermarket cooler. The stock cooler will probably be louder and perform worse cooling-wise, but as long as a small bit of noise or heat doesn't bother you, stock is just fine. And the 2600 can be overclocked to 2600x performance if you do get an aftermarket cooler. I don't recommend you get a 1060 if you can afford a 1070 or 2060. You can get windows 10 oem keys for 10-20 bucks off of keysites. I still wouldn't put just 520 watts of bronze power in my system, but that's me.

Found you a better ssd btw. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mNx2FT/hp-ex920-512gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy46aaabc

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-970-Evo-NVMe-PCIe-M2-250GB-vs-HP-EX920-NVMe-PCIe-M2-512GB/m494033vsm486240

 

EDIT: If you go the 1060 route, get a rx580 instead. 2 games for free + they're like 190$ for same performance as a 1060. Higher power draw though.

 

[Sniper Noob]

31 minutes ago, S T E W said:

Nope, there is no need for the aftermarket cooler. The stock cooler will probably be louder and perform worse cooling-wise, but as long as a small bit of noise or heat doesn't bother you, stock is just fine. And the 2600 can be overclocked to 2600x performance if you do get an aftermarket cooler. I don't recommend you get a 1060 if you can afford a 1070 or 2060. You can get windows 10 oem keys for 10-20 bucks off of keysites. I still wouldn't put just 520 watts of bronze power in my system, but that's me.

Found you a better ssd btw. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mNx2FT/hp-ex920-512gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy46aaabc

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-970-Evo-NVMe-PCIe-M2-250GB-vs-HP-EX920-NVMe-PCIe-M2-512GB/m494033vsm486240

 

EDIT: If you go the 1060 route, get a rx580 instead. 2 games for free + they're like 190$ for same performance as a 1060. Higher power draw though.

 

 

Does it matter what brand the GPU is? As you can see they're all about the same price so which would you say is the highest quality?

[S T E W]

8 minutes ago, Sniper Noob said:

 

Does it matter what brand the GPU is? As you can see they're all about the same price so which would you say is the highest quality?

Sapphire is the highest quality for AMD gpus. Nitro+ is the best of sapphire, red devil golden sample from powercolor is also good. But Sapphire is apparently the best when it comes to AMD.  ONLY GET THE 8GB MODEL 580!

[Sniper Noob]

10 minutes ago, S T E W said:

Sapphire is the highest quality for AMD gpus. Nitro+ is the best of sapphire, red devil golden sample from powercolor is also good. But Sapphire is apparently the best when it comes to AMD. For 239.99 though, you can get an RX590, which outperforms the 1060 most of the time.  ONLY GET THE 8GB MODEL 580!

 

Alright let's try again

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($219.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan  ($16.79 @ Amazon) 
Total: $905.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-07 15:59 EST-0500

 

I'm willing to pay the extra for the Samsung, I have 3 of them and they've never let me down. 

 

I went with a Gold PSU at 550W, I think that should be better than I had before.

 

I've already got a 1TB WD Black from my current PC I plan to use as overfill storage so I'm good there. 

 

Basically my main concerns are the GPU, Mobo, and PSU. If we're good there I like where this is at.

[S T E W]

35 minutes ago, Sniper Noob said:

 

Alright let's try again

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($219.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 140 61.2 CFM 140mm Fan  ($16.79 @ Amazon) 
Total: $905.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-07 15:59 EST-0500

 

I'm willing to pay the extra for the Samsung, I have 3 of them and they've never let me down. 

 

I went with a Gold PSU at 550W, I think that should be better than I had before.

 

I've already got a 1TB WD Black from my current PC I plan to use as overfill storage so I'm good there. 

 

Basically my main concerns are the GPU, Mobo, and PSU. If we're good there I like where this is at.

Yeah I feel you there. I have two samsung ssds in my current rig. It is important to note that the HP is 512gb though instead of 256, and does have the higher perf. I can't say anything about them, as my HP laptop also has a samsung m.2 ssd instead of OEM. Gold+ fully modular psu is great, and 550 should be more than enough for the system at that rating. Do you need intergrated Wi-Fi on the Mobo? That motherboard tier list is essentially only for if you're overclocking.

 

For the 4 bucks though, i'd seriously consider this other corsair case. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139118&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

Has Acrylic and a PSU shroud.

[Sniper Noob]

1 minute ago, S T E W said:

Yeah I feel you there. I have two samsung ssds in my current rig. It is important to note that the HP is 512gb though instead of 256, and does have the higher perf. I can't say anything about them, as my HP laptop also has a samsung m.2 ssd instead of OEM. Gold+ fully modular psu is great, and 550 should be more than enough for the system at that rating. Do you need intergrated Wi-Fi on the Mobo? That motherboard tier list is essentially only for if you're overclocking.

 

I don't really need the integrated Wi-Fi but if I can get something of similar quality/price I'd go for it. I'm not overclocking at all so I don't care much about that.

 

I really just want the most reliable parts, I don't want to get something half-assed and have to worry about it failing just to save 10-15 bucks or get a half step up. 

[SoranoGuardias]

For the love of God get a cooler other than the HYPER 212 EVO. Your overall CPU speed is going to be dictated by the hottest core on the chip. All-In-One water loops are far more reliable than they were six years ago and you DON'T have to re-apply thermal paste every time you service the cooler.

[Sniper Noob]

3 minutes ago, SoranoGuardias said:

For the love of God get a cooler other than the HYPER 212 EVO. Your overall CPU speed is going to be dictated by the hottest core on the chip. All-In-One water loops are far more reliable than they were six years ago and you DON'T have to re-apply thermal paste every time you service the cooler.

 

Why do I need a $50 liquid cooler if I'm never overclocking?

[S T E W]

13 minutes ago, Sniper Noob said:

 

Why do I need a $50 liquid cooler if I'm never overclocking?

Why do you need a 50$ 120mm liquid cooler when there's a 240mm for 59.99. Hmmmm. Stock is fine for ryzen, but if you go stock now, please get a cooler better than the  212 in the future. With stock cooler+ 580, your room/pc will get hot without a decent cooling system. Just a heads up there. For air I recommend anything by be quiet!, noctua, cooler master, and some scythe products.

[Sniper Noob]

10 minutes ago, S T E W said:

Why do you need a 50$ 120mm liquid cooler when there's a 240mm for 59.99. Hmmmm. Stock is fine for ryzen, but if you go stock now, please get a cooler better than the  212 in the future. With stock cooler+ 580, your room/pc will get hot without a decent cooling system. Just a heads up there. For air I recommend anything by be quiet!, noctua, cooler master, and some scythe products.

 

Alright if that's the case I'll just eat the 30 bucks and get the 212. 

[SoranoGuardias]

It's not just about overclocking. Systems with liquid coolers are able to run quieter as long as the cooler you choose has sufficient cooling capacity. If you go for the i5 6-core or even the Ryzen 8-core chips a 120mm AIO will keep your system cooler easier and you have the added benefit of being able to choose where the heat dump is located as long as the tubes reach.

I mean you don't HAVE to use an AIO. But I would STRONGLY recommend against using that Hyper 212. Even the stock AMD Wraith coolers perform better than that thing. I would not even recommend the Zalman Performa CNPS22 that I originally had simply because the core designs and layouts are far more different than when I bought my i5 - 4590. Granted that's a 65-watt part but you get the idea.

The ways the processor architectures are laid out now are simply too different than what the design of the 212 was meant for. 8 years ago the processors had relatively compact and squarer dies. Now they are oblong to take advantage of the larger core counts, and AMD dies in particular are NOT centralized compared to Intel. They are spread out in "chiplets" which places the cores out over more of the CPU package. This means that the hotspot areas that the 212's heatpipes are designed to address are NOT where they were when the 212 was made.

[Findiculous]

What version of windows do you currently have installed on your current boot drive? You might be able to reactivate after building up the PC which will save you $110. 

You could then put that $110 towards the AIO. As they mentioned above, its not always about overclocking or not. AIO's are very effective to keep the CPU cool and quieter. 

 

I have had my corsair H100i for 4 years and its never let me down. On top of which I have never replaced the thermal paste (which I probably should have done by now but meh the cpu never gets too hot anyway).

 

[SoranoGuardias]

You can also buy legitimate system builder OEM kits on Ebay for ridiculously cheap amounts. MAKE SURE you get one that comes with a paper folder and a un-peeled License sticker and it should look like this:

 

Also, make sure the key is not manufacturer-specific i.e. Dell, HP, or Lenovo.

Also don't use the media that come with your purchase. Grab yourself a fresh 32GB USB 3.0 drive, use the free media creation tool available from Microsoft ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 ), and then download all of your needed drivers onto a separate folder on that flash drive. You'll be ready to go much faster as you'll have the correct drivers, sans any generic updates, and you will have the most up-to-date version of Windows available.

[Sniper Noob]

1 hour ago, SoranoGuardias said:

It's not just about overclocking. Systems with liquid coolers are able to run quieter as long as the cooler you choose has sufficient cooling capacity. If you go for the i5 6-core or even the Ryzen 8-core chips a 120mm AIO will keep your system cooler easier and you have the added benefit of being able to choose where the heat dump is located as long as the tubes reach.

I mean you don't HAVE to use an AIO. But I would STRONGLY recommend against using that Hyper 212. Even the stock AMD Wraith coolers perform better than that thing. I would not even recommend the Zalman Performa CNPS22 that I originally had simply because the core designs and layouts are far more different than when I bought my i5 - 4590. Granted that's a 65-watt part but you get the idea.

The ways the processor architectures are laid out now are simply too different than what the design of the 212 was meant for. 8 years ago the processors had relatively compact and squarer dies. Now they are oblong to take advantage of the larger core counts, and AMD dies in particular are NOT centralized compared to Intel. They are spread out in "chiplets" which places the cores out over more of the CPU package. This means that the hotspot areas that the 212's heatpipes are designed to address are NOT where they were when the 212 was made.

 

How about the Noctua NH-U12S then? I really don't want to get liquid, I think it's overkill for a stock CPU and I'm not about to risk dumping water on my shit. 

 

The U12S seems like pretty much the best air cooler you can get.

[S T E W]

These are some of the best bang for buck.

 

Cools Better:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH6CU1449&cm_re=scythe_fuma-_-9SIA9ZH6CU1449-_-Product

 

Quieter.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH6GN8650&cm_re=scythe_mugen_5-_-9SIA9ZH6GN8650-_-Product