cringelord Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Hey. I plan to cash out and I'm a bit worried that the buyer will refund the payment. I saw many reports involving this method, even with trustworthy traders. Is there any way to make payment unrefundable? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♠Derpeh♤ Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 With paypal? No. As long as you sell to reputable traders you will be fine. In the past there has only been 1 or 2 cases where a reputable trader decided to go rogue, the most recent incident (trader called google) many traders didnt even pick up the most obvious signs that his account was suspicious simply because he used these forums for a bit. (Barely any games, low steam level and only recently started trading in tf2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobsplosion Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If you want a nonrefundable option, you're going to need to use something like Wells Fargo or Bitcoin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cringelord Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 With paypal? No. As long as you sell to reputable traders you will be fine. In the past there has only been 1 or 2 cases where a reputable trader decided to go rogue, the most recent incident (trade called google) many traders didnt even pick up the most obvious signs that his account was suspicious simply because he used these forums for a bit. (Barely any games, low steam level and only recently started trading in tf2) I saw some traders saying to send payment as family/friends or something and add his profile and note that it's a payment for virtual item and he won't refund. Will that help? Also thanks for the answer If you want a nonrefundable option, you're going to need to use something like Wells Fargo or Bitcoin. I don't know either of them, I prefer PP but thanks for the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♠Derpeh♤ Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I saw some traders saying to send payment as family/friends or something and add his profile and note that it's a payment for virtual item and he won't refund. Will that help? Also thanks for the answer To answer your question in the most direct way possible no, it doesnt help in the slightest. The main problem with paypal is that they do not recognize virtual items (hard to keep track...etc) even if a message was left, to paypal you received money for free to the sender has every right to charge back and claim it was fraud. (Chargeback time frame is 3 months which is stupidly long so look for traders who has a clean history of cash trades longer than 3 months) There has only been some cases in the past where sellers were charged back and paypal reversed it. I dont remember in too much detail but a buyer charged back a lot of people, someone compiled a list of his chargeback claims and used that as proof of his bs to take advantage of their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cringelord Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 To answer your question in the most direct way possible no, it doesnt help in the slightest. The main problem with paypal is that they do not recognize virtual items (hard to keep track...etc) even if a message was left, to paypal you received money for free to the sender has every right to charge back and claim it was fraud. (Chargeback time frame is 3 months which is stupidly long so look for traders who has a clean history of cash trades longer than 3 months) There has only been some cases in the past where sellers were charged back and paypal reversed it. I dont remember in too much detail but a buyer charged back a lot of people, someone compiled a list of his chargeback claims and used that as proof of his bs to take advantage of their system. Okay, thank you again for helping me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasuke200 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'd say to have them leave in the message "I owe this person x", right when paypal sees virtual items they will say "We do not cover virtual items for seller protection" which may lower your chances on winning a dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dr. Professor Hamster Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 There's no way to stop yourself from getting screwed. I'd stick to higher rep traders or known traders even though they pay less (for their rep obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Nieroda Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 If you want a nonrefundable option, you're going to need to use something like Wells Fargo or Bitcoin. wells fargo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqkAudio Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 wells fargo? I believe it's like a bank fund transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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