Heated Bread Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The russian approach to stealth and subterfuge seems rather comical. I would compare it to a fully grown adult male brown bear trying to hide behind trees and bushes on his way to steal a picnic basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 You can't say lugansk and donetsk referendums were illegal just because nazi germany did crazy stuff in the past. It has nothing to do with today. There were international observers in both cities (Donestk, lugansk). If you want to prove something, go ahead - but putting an example of a referendum manipulation is not proof. That referandum was illegitimate and did not have international oversize. A Dr. Lawrence Britt published an article containing 14 points to be used in defining a fascist regime. Needless to say Putin's government has accomplished much of them. This includes a disdain for human rights, consolidating power by eliminating opposition, control of the media and heavy use of propaganda. As far as Ukrainians interests are concerned, indipendent surveys show that even in the east people do not want to leave Ukraine or change borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 That referandum was illegitimate and did not have international oversize. A Dr. Lawrence Britt published an article containing 14 points to be used in defining a fascist regime. Needless to say Putin's government has accomplished much of them. This includes a disdain for human rights, consolidating power by eliminating opposition, control of the media and heavy use of propaganda. As far as Ukrainians interests are concerned, indipendent surveys show that even in the east people do not want to leave Ukraine or change borders. Explain why it was illegitimate. It "did not have international oversize" because the U.S have a extremely aggresive foreign policy and don't care about morals, their goal is to rule the world both economycally and geopolitically. Saying "did not have international oversize" is incoherent. Also, these "14 points to define a fascist regime" suit the U.S pretty well: http://therightstuff.biz/2014/01/22/fascism-no-one-a-response-to-dr-laurence-britt/ To sum it up: very strong nationalism, human rights disregarded (death sentence, invading countries and killing civilians, supporting Israel's genocide in gaza), control of the media, VERY heavy use of propaganda, obsession with national security, obsession with crime and punishment, corporations being protected over anything) And these "independent surveys" have ZERO credibility compared to the referendum held in these two zones, which was assisted by international observers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Map Painter Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 And these "independent surveys" have ZERO credibility compared to the referendum held in these two zones, which was assisted by international observers. The same referendums where anyone who voted/was going to vote against Putin's puppets was violently intimidated and/or assaulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 The same referendums where anyone who voted/was going to vote against Putin's puppets was violently intimidated and/or assaulted. People in referendums vote anonymously. You can't know who voted against or in favor of leaving Ukraine. There were agencies that took care of the security and both lugansk and donetsk called in for international observers to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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