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Something I never thought would come from my unlocked creepy crates I held for many years. I had a scout, heavy and a pyro crate, I opened the heavy and scout and got the usual shit and debated on opening the pyro and said fuck it. Here we are a fucking 2013 Halloween unusual opened in 2024 the only thing that is weird is it gave me a 2013 effect and not a 2014. Before opening these crates I looked many times to see if even in 2018 or any other year after 2014 someone opened a unusual. I could never find any video or picture that someone did. Guess I'll be the one to do it and it's still is possible to get old gen unusuals from unlocked creepy crates. Way back in 2014 I wanted to buy some from the mann co store but I never asked my mom for money and so I never opened any. Back when the unlocked creepy crates were still affordable like 10 to 20 keys I picked the 3 crates up and that was it I wanted to get the full set of 9 class crates but stopped. As time went on these crates got so god damn expensive and rare so I always debated opening them tell today I just thought I'll probably won't get the others and I always wanted to open a few. As said before it is still insane it gave a 2013 effect instead of a 2014 of course I much rather get a 2013 effect but how did it not give a 2014? And No Not Selling Currently

it'll be fixed in valve time™ update on mr glitch exploity boi; he dumped all his stuff in mannco; he mistyped his devilish diablo alakablamicon as $1 he's mad lmao

this reads like damage control, because you didnt expect the kind of response you'd receive over this awesome you found someone to take over for you, hopefully they have more time to dedicate to the doggy. this is a contradictory statement, you would only give up the dog to caring people close to him but also you would have given up the dog if a specific dude said no? sounds like theres more than one situation where you'd give up your dog then i see homeless dudes prioritize their dogs health and food over their own, once again reminding people that you are virtually well off (6 figure inventory just on virtual hats), but i understand not having the time. once again, its how you handled it with your words, rather than the actions you made. making medicine and food for your dog? awesome! "LMAOOOOOOO EZ BAG SECURED DUMB DOG I WOULD HAVE DROPPED HIS ASS OFF AT THE POUND FOR FREEEEEEEEE!!!!!!" this was not the move, and makes you look gross. theres a stereotype already that trader mains are horribly, disgustingly greedy, why did you perpetuate the stereotype? one thing i remember about taking care of animals is worldview. we do shit everyday, go out meet people talk hang out fuck whatever, at the end of the day we come home and our pets greet us. what do they have? what kind of social life do they live? for most animals, you are their EVERYTHING, and it crushes them when you decide to abandon them, even if its hard for them to show it. the dog has no idea why you just gave it up to another person, and isnt going to get why you arent coming around to play anymore or give belly scratches or cuddle. he/she wont get it, they'll probably die not getting it, and that dog will be thinking of you and your parents on the way out. hope you arent going to be snorting coke off some strippers ass in college while thats happening, but YOLO amirite?!??!?!?!? leave the jokes for the comedians next time

Please give the next person to use this title a 24 hour ban

Introduction I will again start with a disclaimer that these are the rules for backpack.tf and do not apply to any other site. The cutoff in item values for which we expect traders to complete a background check is 15 keys value on either side of the trade (so, for example, if you buy a 30 key hat for 14 keys you still need to do a background check). For trades under 15 keys in value, we do not require that you complete a background check. Feel free to post any questions or concerns below. Changes After a lot of discussion, some of which you can find here and here we have decided to make some fairly big changes to the old system. The main one is that we are scrapping the concept of an "obvious alt" when it comes to banning for trading with scammers. While I stand by the spirit of it and the ability of traders to look at accounts and make judgement about red flags, the community broadly finds the criteria too subjective and difficult to work with. It also hinders bot trading a significant amount, and while I know many hate bots, many use them too. Overall, the red flags for an obvious alt are definitely something you should be aware of, but it no longer seems reasonable or practical to punish users for trading with accounts who may meet some criteria but are not banned alts. In the same vein, we have decided to stop penalising for trades with site-banned users, even if the ban is for a scam or scam-related offence. The rationale for this change is that now that we are Steamrep partners and can apply our own marks, any account with sufficient evidence against them to be banned for scamming would be given a mark too. If they are site banned for scamming only, that by definition implies a lower standard of evidence or an offence outside of Steamrep investigative policy, which exists for good reason. We are also going to modify ban durations a little to give mods some leeway to give shorter or longer bans to users based on the value of the trade. So you won't get the same length of ban for buying a 50 key hat as a 500 key hat. Lastly, we will no longer be banning users for accessing gambling sites, even if scammers are also using those sites. The rules - All trades above 15 keys in value on either side of the trade must be background checked. - If the account you would trade with is marked on Steamrep, you cannot complete the trade. - If a trader accidentally fails to meet these expectations, they will receive a temporary ban, escalating with number of offences (see ban durations below). - If a trader knowingly fails to meet these expectations and is found to intentionally trade with Steamrep-marked scammers, the ban will instantly be a permanent one. - If a trader is found to be regularly buying items from accounts banned on backpack.tf as a scammer, scammer alt, or scammer fence they may receive a ban even if those accounts are not marked on Steamrep. - Brokering for a user who is site-banned for any reason will remain against the rules. - Temp bans will "expire" after 1 year without a ban, so whether you're on your first or second offence if you go without a ban for 1+ year and then are reported again for the same thing, we will treat it as a new ban and start at first offence again. This does not apply to permanent bans. - Ban evasion during any ban for trading with scammers will be permanent, as with any other site ban. Ban durations: - 1st offence: 3 days - 3 months - 2nd offence: 1 month - 6 months - 3rd offence: permanent (appeal-able after 1 year) Reporting All reports will need to include evidence of a two way trade or they may be closed by moderators. We simply do not have the time to be digging into accounts ourselves, if you are making a report you need to do the work first. Reports with single item histories are not acceptable. Reporting traders who are regularly buying items from backpack.tf-banned scammers, scammer alts, or fences, will require the reporter to compile a body of evidence that demonstrates a clear pattern. This will then be assessed by mods. As with reporting single trades, a small number of item histories but no evidence of two way trades will not be sufficient for us to ban someone. Summary We believe that these changes move strongly in the direction of lessening punishment for accidents while still allowing the site and mods to discourage people from going all out regularly trading with scammers. We welcome any feedback. Trading with scammers bans under the old rules can now be appealed, but the above rules will still apply. If you'd like to ask a question about something specific in private, feel free to PM me or any of the report mods: Teeny Tiny Cat OverduePixels ѕιи Zeus Abstract Edward Toughsox (appeals)

So... what you are saying is case/crate trading is viable as long as you are willing to shark someone Even if it was accidental/unintentional, it is still scummy.

I've been using Augmented Steam for a good while to check profiles, but it missed a lot of things I wanted. Because of this, I decided to make my own script to background check people quickly and thoroughly at the same time. It's not 100% perfect for the moment, but I thought some people might find it useful, so here it is. GitLab link (download + installation instructions): https://gitlab.com/carbonwind/steamdetective Discord Server: https://discord.gg/NXA27dqy3k Current features (more added whenever possible): Makes names strike through when banned on SR and/or BP Shows account age and IDs + custom URL (if applicable) Gets detailed information from the following websites and displays it on their profile: SteamRep (Ban status, tags, banned friends, history, forum threads, opt out status) Backpack.tf (Last visit, premium status, donations, inventory rank and value, trust, site bans) Mannco.store (Ban status) Marketplace.tf (Ban status) Scrap.tf (Ban status) Skial (Name history) VACBanned.com (Ban status + Name history) SteamID.uk (Ban status, recorded name count, recorded profile URL count, opt out status) SteamHistory.net (Username history, real name history, URL history) SteamTrades.com (Registration date and time, last visit date and time, reputation) Adds a ton of research and archive links to allow you to dig even further if necessary

My brother in Christ you made the public thread

Blood Scopes will forever and always be a scam. They were created as some stupid niche market by a bunch of traders looking to make a quick buck off random $0.12 battle-scarred skins they bought because "wowee there's blood on the scope of the sniper rifle." There's an infinite supply of war paints that exist in this game, so blood scopes will continue to exist as thousands of people unbox war paints. It's a waste of your time and you should never invest in them. Sure, a handful of people got suckered in to buying them for a handful of keys, but I can assure you the average trader either doesn't know what they are, nor cares about them in the slightest.

dog its just a bp ban what do you want a thread about he wasn't about to start listing everything on some "hmu with overpay or pure". Hell it might've been better if he attempted logging in without seeing "The Gladiator.tf Hacker got Banned!" right on the front page and just leaving because then at least they might be able to grab his IP for the authorities.

See you again in 3 years

this isn't phishing, and I wouldn't even say it's a scam. It's just someone offering you a bad deal.

Wendell

i think you should run a charity

Buy Order Manipulation We are no longer looking into reports for buy order manipulation, however we will still be looking into reports for fake buy orders since they are against the classifieds rules. - We will no longer warn/ban users for simply boosting bot buy orders. - We will only warn/ban users if there is clear proof their buy order was fake or they had no intention to honor their listed price (Classifieds Rule 6). - Those banned for buy order manipulation can re-appeal. We found that our previous policy was redundant and only served as additional protection for bot owners, and that isn't what we wanted. Classifieds Rule 6 also applies to bot owners and script users; if your autopricer doesn't have ideal safeguards, all this really means is that you're not keeping up with your listings yourself.

Oh, don't worry. It's probably from another player's hat who's currently on the other side of the map. Average orbital effect things, you know.

also I'm super open to art requests, i don't have a fee, i just wanna draw.

There are rules? I always though mods just spin a wheel on who to ban.

Brah not even mentioning click baiting the victims they prolly saw this thread title and got some amount of hope and then saw its a fucking russel post about a bp ban i cant even begin to imagine what this level of trolling must feel like

this entire thing should have been done privately. asking russel to make a fucking price suggestion about it is what started this entire witchhunt. i have a very strong affection towards animals and hearing about this makes my blood boil. but with the context here its more understandable. its still fucked up how you can just do this to a family pet of 10 years. also proving the fact that high tier traders are exeedingly greedy and have no morals when it comes to trading.

Not your inventory, not your items

even if u prove ender is in the wrong do you honestly think bp staff is gonna do anything LOL he's basically got immunity to anything with connections and things he knows just like half the other top tier traders who use the site. pointless endeavor, another classic high tier trader being able to get away with anything they want

EDIT: - Oct 4 2020 Updates on - Types of scams - how to avoid getting scammed - website links - discord links - corrected typos - removed outdated stuff Before I start there are few things I wanna say and be clear about. 1. I love helping everyone and so this was a guide (a shorter version) I made for my friends from the TF2 community in my region on my discord server, The screenshots shown in this guide is like a few months old from when I made this guide so I did not bother to strike off the names as those trade won't be existing now. 2. Everything that I have said below is a collection of data I gathered online and from my own experience in trading. (not everything are my own words but I strongly agree with everything said below) 3. There are many other guides out there for trading you are free to follow/check that as well. By no means this is a perfect guide or the best one out there. 4. There will be very basic things mentioned here which most of you may already know but that is for the people who are very new to trading. What is TRADING on steam? Trading is a system that lets people exchange items with other people. This system allows players to swap weapons, cosmetics, tools and more with other players within Steam itself On August 9, 2011, the trade beta updates were added to the public Steam client and on September 6, 2011. With Steam trading, people were able to trade their in-game items for other in-game items with other people. Team Fortress 2 Trading Item trading is the backbone of the economy in Team Fortress 2. Weapons, hats, and metal are all traded frequently and have their own individual values. 1. Weapons and hats will be given to the player via the drop system, 2. Items can also be obtained via the crafting system. There are specific recipes for almost every item which can be found in the in-game crafting section Currency Since you can't directly trade money to other players Metal is the most basic currency in Team Fortress 2. Keys which can only be obtained by either buying them from the store or trading metal for it Earbuds are next which can be obtained by trading keys and metal These 3 items are the basic currency used in TF2 for trading There are many keys in TF2 but Mann Co. Supply Crate Key is the currency key keep this in mind. Types of Metal There are mainly 3 types of metal in Team Fortress 2 Scrap Metal, Is obtained by Smelting two class weapons together (Can be done In-game) Reclaimed Metal, Is obtained by Smelting three scrap metals together (Can be done In-game) Refined Metal, Is obtained by Smelting three reclaimed metal (can be done In-game) 1 Refined Metal = 9 Scrap Metal or 1 Refined Metal = 3 Reclaimed Metal 1 Reclaimed Metal = 3 Scrap Metal 1 Reclaimed Metal in mathematical terms - 0.33 1 Scrap Metal in mathematical terms - 0.11 0.99 is counted as 1 in TF2 ITEM QUALITIES Quality is a property of items, which is represented in-game by the color of the item's name and (in most cases) by a title prefixed to the item's name. An item can have only one quality, which is determined when the item is created and remains unchanged There are 12 different qualities of items in TF2, But only 8 of them are more common and traded most. Normal · Unique · Vintage · Genuine · Strange · Collector's · Decorated · Unusual · Haunted · Community · Self-Made · Valve From the list above Unique · Vintage · Genuine · Strange · Collector's · Decorated · Unusual and Haunted are the most commonly traded items Shortlisting this, even more, it will be Unique Strange and Unusual The highest traded items Unique quality is the item quality assigned to items which can be found through random drops during gameplay Vintage is an item quality used most commonly to designate previously Unique items obtained prior to the Mann-Co Update, where it was introduced. Genuine item quality was originally introduced alongside the RIFT promotion as a way to allow items obtained through participation in a cross-game promotion or an in-game event to be distinguished from the same items gained via other methods - such as through the random drops or via crafting. Strange quality is an item quality available for weapons and cosmetics that track the stats (kills and points) of that item. Haunted is an item quality designated for Halloween-themed items. Many, but not all, Halloween items have a Haunted version. Collector's is an item quality that is given to items obtained by completing special Chemistry Sets Decorated is an item quality assigned to weapons with special grade factors, varying levels of exterior wear, and possibly a Strange counter and/or Unusual effect. Unusual quality is an item quality used on cosmetic items, taunts, and weapons. Unusual items have special attached particle effects. How To Start Trading It's actually hard to start with nothing at all, so its best to have a very small investment to start with. I would recommend 2 keys (which is what I started with) This is a section about slow profit that you don’t need much metal to do, making it perfect for new traders getting started and learning the basics of TF2 trading. This section is nothing I would recommend doing a long time just because it’s just so slow profit. It's just to kick off your trading with very low investment 5 Things you need to check/have before you start Get TF2 premium Get the Steam app (for trade confirmation) - much better and safer than email confirmations Activate Steam guard Set your profile to public Have your Trade offer URL As mentioned earlier its best to have some kind of investment when you start trading for the first time, so buy 2 keys and convert 1 key into metal (refined, reclaimed and scrap) and save your other key. How do I do that? Just go here - https://scrap.tf/keys and sell 1 key. There’s like thousands of different ways to trade and make a profit, and I will show you a few ways to help you get started. I’ll be talking about a few basic methods of trading. [ This is what I started doing when I started Trading long ago ] Buy and Sell Popular Items How do I know which are popular items? Taunts, Tools, and craft hats. These Items sell a lot everyday and its good profit Tools include items like Backpack Expanders, Name tags, Tour of Duty Ticket etc (basically consumable items of small value) Taunts are also a good start for new Traders with a limited budget. Buy and sell these items for a small profit. Go for items and aim to buy & sell a lot of items to get your profit going, don’t try and buy ridiculously low or sell to high, then you’ll never get to buy/sell any items. Banking these items can be hard with all the competition from other traders, especially traders using bots. If you want to grab a trading bot of your own there’s actually free option available, trade.tf they have bots available for free. (To know more about these bots DM me) or just buy a bot.tf bot. - Look for people that are selling a bunch of cosmetics/taunts/tools on TF2outpost, make an offer for all their items at a discount, don’t go crazy and offer way below what they're asking for, instead aim for a small profit when buying in bulk, make it worth it for both parties. - Look for people that are selling items at discount on backpcak.tf Here is an example of an Item. You can see those guys are selling it for much less than bots (Yes he is offline but if you can get the item from them you can make a profit of 1-4 scrap or by selling it) either to the bots that are buying it or by listing it for sale NOTE: In backpack.tf Every item You see on the left side with Green arrow is SELL ORDER Every Item You see on the right side with Blue arrow is BUY ORDER In the above-shown example, you can see that bots are buying this item for 2.88 refined and there are people selling it for 2.55 onward Just mentioning this because I have seen a lot of people getting confused with this. This is another example or way to make easy profit. Some bots will be having outdated prices (The owners may be just too lazy to update it? idk but this happens a lot). As u see in the screenshot every bot is selling this item for 4.33 ref and buying it for 4.11 ref but one bot has a buy order at 5.33 ref. Just buy from the selling bot and sell it to the buying bot for easy profit. (This is kind of cheeky but hey it's not something rule-breaking as they there is a legit buy order which has an old outdated price.) Keep in mind bots might have stock limit set (so reload the page after a trade and check if the bot is still buying that item. Trade.tf has a feature which scans all the big trading sites for good deals, this can be a great place to find a few items you can make a profit on. In order to use the service you need to have their premium membership, it’s free and all you have to do is to add “trade.tf” into your Steam name. If the site says an item is on sale for like 60% off, it’s probably too good to be true, the service isn’t flawlessly and you always need to double check everything before making a deal. It also has a bot that can help you with trading which is also free for premium members. Do check it out, and if you are confused or have any questions please DM me When you have made a decent profit from trading craft hats taunts and tools its time to step things up a bit and find better deals and items that give more profit. These items need more investment or will cost more than these small items so make sure to at least have 5 keys and some refined when you start doing this. Items Include - Unique Killstreak items, Strange Killstreak Items, Vintage items, Genuine items, Strange Cosmetics etc As you trade more and more you will get an idea how this works and how to get more profit from which items from your own experience. Once you have about 10-15 keys then you can start with Unusual Trading (although 8 keys are enough to start unusual trading its best to have some extra keys as backup) Unusual Trading This section is purely based on my personal experience in Unusual Trading. I am not that good of an unusual trader and there are people who are 100x better than me also there are many other guides out there for unusual trading you are free to follow/check that as well. This guide is for people that want to get started with unusual trading or for any trader that want to learn new ways of making a profit with unusual's. When it comes to unusual trading you need to know all the unusual effects in the game and its value, and in this section, I’ll show you how you can do unusual trading with just a basic knowledge of the TF2 economy. I’ll try to cover everything you need to know to get started with unusual trading but that being said this is by no means a perfect unusual trading guide which I have already said above To start with unusual trading you’ll need around 8-15 keys, the more the better of course but that’s the minimum (The more the better) The second thing you need to know is that you have to be familiar with all the unusual effects in the game. There are currently 105 unusual effects in the game and you can see all these effects here in the link below. https://backpack.tf/effects Here you’ll find all the effects listed in order of the effect’s average price for hats with the effect in question. Effects with a high average are seen as good looking (in-game) and exclusive, generally speaking. This doesn’t mean an effect is more popular/easier to sell because it has a higher price, a higher price unusual effect can be harder to sell because people don’t have/don’t want to spend that kind of money on a hat. Meaning the higher the value of a hat the lesser chance you have to get pure (Its not impossible to get pure for very high-value items but the chances are less as only collectors or people who buy the hat to use would pay the full price in pure) A cheaper unusual effect can be more in demand just because it’s more affordable. When it comes to the question, what effects should you buy? I don’t have a good answer for you, any effect could be a good investment for the right price. But I will recommend do not buy effects like Bubbling, Dead Presidents, Massed Flies, Nuts n Bolts, Overclocked, Memory Leak, Confetti, Codex (I would also include power surge and Electrostatic here but that depends on the hats) and I would also recommend against Unusual Taunts as all of the taunts started dropping in price like rocks Why? Because These effects that have a tiny visual impact in the game, Meaning from a distance you can barely see those effects and they can almost look like regular hats in-game - From my personal experience, these effects are disliked the most and hardest to sell. But if you do happen to find good deals on this effect feel free to go for it. How to know the Value of an Unusual For checking out an unusual’s price your best bet is to head over to Backpack.tf and check what the suggested value is, either head over to the inventory of the user having the hat/taunt on Backpack.tf and find your unusual there, "click on it" then choose stats and you’ll come to unusual's stats page where you can see the price and other stats about your unusual. You can also use the search on Backpack.tf to find the value of a hat. Sometimes a 15 key unusual might have a seller 12 keys so its best not to pay more than 12 for the hat because you cannot sell it for more than 12 as there is already a seller. (just an example) Sometimes an unusual priced at 15 keys might have an Open price suggestion at 12 keys. Do not blindly trust it, open it and check the given proof and see if its valid (IF the given proof on the suggestion is valid then there is a high chance for it to get accepted and drop in price) -- If the price suggestion is relatively new you can check it out and see what past sales have gone for. Both suggestions that are approved and not approved can be worth checking out to know about past sales on that hat. You’ll find the price suggestions at the bottom of an unusual’s stats page. -- Check the Marketplace.tf price and find out if it’s been sold for cash recently. -- What’s the price on the Steam market -- Compare the price with other unusual's that have the same effect or the same hat but with other effects. Preferably one with a more up to date price suggestion. -- Search for the hat on TF2Outpost and see if there are any sellers there. Duplicated Unusual What are Duplicated or Duped Unusuals? Long before valve Implemented Steam Guard Auth, a lot of Trade Scams used to happen. Which was the main reason why valve introduced Steam guard. So basically when you click on accept trade in the trade window on steam The trade used to happen there was no secure confirmations. When solid proof for the scam was submitted valve used to give back the item that got scammed to the victim with "The Same Item ID". These items are the duplicate/duped items. They look the same in-game they do not have any special or different attributes from the Stolen/Scammed item. The only problem with these duplicated items is that they will have less resale value. How to know if an Unusual is Duplicate/Duped? Go to the inventory of the seller on backpack.tf and locate the unusual, click it and then choose History. Here on this page, you’ll see most of the past owners of this unusual and if the hat is duplicated you’ll see a small text in blue that says Duplicated in the right top corner. Checking the history before buying any unusual is also a good thing, this lets you see if there are any banned users mostly scammers (They will have their name in red and crossed over) in the recent history. -- If an Item has many scammer names on the item History then its most likely the value of the item will be low, Meaning most people wouldn't wanna have a hat that was owned by a lot of scammers in the past. Example of a Duplicated Unusual Example of a Clean Unusual You can see in the top right of the item history it will be written Duplicated. Always make sure to check this before buying an unusual Places to find good unusual Deals Backpack.tf is by far the most active places for TF2 unusual trading. And if you feel like you need additional options you can check out the rest of the sites on the list later. Backpack.tf is great for finding unusual's or selling your own hats. Each unusual has its own page where you can find buyers and sellers for it, and also it’s price suggestion and any past price suggestion, and other basic info about the hat. If you have Backpack.tf premium you can search for deals on cheap unusual's and sort the results after the % discount the deal has It’s nothing I would recommend new traders though, considering it cost keys each month for premium. Scrap.tf's Unusual bot is a trading bot that buys and sells unusual's, if you’re going to sell your hat to the bot you should expect to lose profit doing so, the bot’s rates are not in favour of sellers, instead it can be a good place to get rid of your unusual's if you see no other option and you can’t get a hat sold. The potential for a good deal is much better when it comes to buying hats from the bot, it requires a lot of price checking and luck though. Scrap.tf Auctions is another section on Scrap.tf, where people put their items up for auction and people, can bid with their items to win the auction, it’s pretty straightforward and there’s plenty of unusual's being posted here. If you have the patience and dedication browsing through all the over-priced auction it can be worth it, but the good deals are quite rare in my experience. Unusual Trading servers Open the game Find the server browser and you can find the following. Skial trading servers https://www.skial.com/servers/ Note: Skial has a lot of servers find the trading ones and join Vatican City Unusual trade server http://www.the-vaticancity.com/ Neon Heights trade servers http://www.neonheightsservers.com/ Fire Powered Unusual trade servers https://firepoweredgaming.com/forums/page/servers These 4 are the best unusual trade servers in the game with Vatican City being the best of them all (My personal favorite) Here, on these servers, you can find a lot of people looking to buy and sell unusual's Quick Sells and how to find them What are quick sells? Quick selling is basically selling an item at 60-70% of the item's actual value or lower. Some people will quick sell their items/unusual for Pure, These are the kind of deals you should mostly be looking for to make profit Go to Backpack.tf and their classifieds section where all the items that are being sold on the site is listed. You’ll find that section of the site by hovering over the Trading tab in the top menu then clicking the Classifieds listings. Then you want to click on deals (only if you have premium if not ignore the deals) and sort the search result so that only Unusuals show up in your search, click on the “…” near the magnifying glass in the search, then choose “Unusual” under the Quality tab, the search will be sorted by cheapest first by default, leave it like that. (or just use this link to get a Classifieds search for unusual's) What we’re going to get is a search filled with listings on Unusuals being sold on the site, you’ll see plenty of hats being sold at a few keys discount, just be sure that you check the price of the unusual before buying it, as we talked about previously in the guide, not all Backpack.tf price suggestions are accurate so you always need to check to see if it’s an accurate price. Keep browsing the listings until you find a good deal in your price range worth investing in. A lot of sellers that are quick selling (selling their unusual at a discount) are looking to get TF2 keys as payment (often mentioned as “pure”) Another way to get quick sells is to make buy orders for unusual's on backpack.tf at cheap quick sell prices and you will get offers from people who are looking to quicksell, The same can be one on TF2 outpost also making an advertisement on Outpost about Buying Quicksell. Again the same can be done on Trade servers. Join an Unusual trade server and start advertising you are buying quick sells for pure on chat or voice. (But please do not spam) These are not the only ways to find quick sells there are many other ways but these are the specific ones I used and as I said at the start this guide is based on my personal experience from trading and I was successful. Selling the unusual's you buy This list can be good to go over if you find yourself stuck with an item that you just can’t sell, I’m usually pretty patient but after having my sell listings up for a long time and not getting it sold it’s can be a good time to try some different to get the item sold. Selling for pure can be difficult to do with some items, if the hat you’re trying to sell isn’t in demand most traders would want a discount on the hat when paying in pure. Simply lowering your price could help getting your hat sold for keys. Selling your unusual's for other unusual's - Head over to Backpack.tf and TF2Outpost and start looking for unusual's that are for sale that you would want to trade your unusual for, be prepared to overpay with your offer though, or you can try and add some keys to make your deal more appealing. (also known as a mixed offer). - If you get unusual offers on your hat make sure to check if that offered hat is clean 1st and then its value if you feel its profit (after checking hat effect price everything) go for it. Else add the trader and negotiate a deal with him. - You can also try and trade your unusual for CSGO items, this requires some basic knowledge of both the TF2 & CSGO market though and I would say based on my experience you’ll have an easier time trading your CSGO items for TF2 items than the other way around. The CSGO economy is much bigger and a lot of the CSGO skins are quite stable, making the, CSGO economy much more appealing for some traders. Some Tips from me. I’ll explain how I make profit trading with unusual's, I’ll try and be as transparent as possible so that you can easily get a hang of it. This is by no means the only way to trade with unusual's, it’s just how I like to do it. Trade with low tier unusual's to start with, there are cheap unusual's in the game that are not the most desirable hats in the game but there’s always a pretty good demand for these unusual's. Instead of buying & selling one expensive unusual I rather trade with 10 cheap unusual's, the profit per trade will most likely be much less but the risk that my hats will lose value or that I’m going to make a bad trade is not that likely. Another benefit of dealing with cheap unusual's is that I don’t need to have a knowledge about all the different effects and prices in the TF2 economy, I know how much keys I paid an unusual for and how much I want to sell it for, it’s a very straight-forward way of trading. Do not deal with Unpriced hats if you are not sure. Just ignore it and move on. Unless you have fairly good knowledge about Unusual trading and all the effects its best you stay away from unpriced hats I always buy hats under the backpack.tf value and I sell them for a relatively low profit, again lower than backpack.tf price. That’s the basic idea of it all, Buy quick sells and quick sell it, For example, a 15 key unusual I might try to get it for 10 or 11 and then sell it for 12 or 13 I use Backpack.tf and TF2Outpost to find people to trade with, I start off by making classifieds listings asking to buy unusual's on these two sites, I usually wait for sellers to come to me with their deals, but you’ll get a better result if you’re actively looking for sellers/good deals and send them your offers From time to time I get a hat that I can’t sell, I have no problem sitting on a hat for a long time but after a couple of weeks I usually would want to sell it and get rid of it, I have a few options then, I either just lower the asking price a bit and try to undercut the other sellers for my hat. I can also head over to Marketplace.tf and sell it for cash, I usually list it with a slight discount just to get it sold faster. My last option is that I sell it on the Steam market, these prices are surprisingly high on the market, the downsides is that 15% sales fee that eats up a lot of profit, these two option usually requires plenty of patience before I get them sold. Trading Website Backpack.tf https://backpack.tf/ Trade.tf This site has Good deals page where the site scans the major trading sites for good deals. But there’s also a part of the site that’s called the Trading market, here people can use the sites inbuilt trading bot feature to make trades for them. The bot is free to use for anyone, you just tell the bot what items you want to sell and for how much, then the bot will do the trading for you. http://www.trade.tf/ Bazaar.tf This is a similar trading site like TF2outpost where you can list your items for sale and find others listings. The site isn’t as popular or active but the site has a bunch of nice features making it worth checking out nonetheless, for example you can get your own trading bot on the site for some sweet automated trading. And it’s very easy to navigate through listings and deals. http://bazaar.tf/ Scrap.tf To put it simple scrap.tf is an automated banking site that changes the way you trade This is an automated trading website that helps everyone in Team Fortress 2 get items they want fast and easy. https://scrap.tf/ STN STNtrading is a similar site to Scrap.tf where you can trade with the sites bots to fast and easy sell or buy items. It’s not as big as it’s competitor but the prices that they pay for your items is usually better than on Scrap.tf. Keep in mind that if you would instead sell/buy your items with another trader instead of these two banking sites you’d most likely get a better deal, but using these sites is fast and convenient. https://stntrading.eu/ Spirit.tf This is a TF2 Trading website which is also automated like scrap.tf but works in a different way. https://spirit.tf/ Mannco Trade Owned by https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054758757 & his team https://mannco.trade/ Quicsell.Store Owned by https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198337734785 & his team quicksell.store is a new tf2 trading site. https://quicksell.store/ TF2 Store https://tf2.store/ Owned by https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198153088409 & his team Sfuminator.tf This is is one of the best sites to buy and sell craft hats (my personal favorite for craft hats) http://sfuminator.tf/ Ocu.tf This is a very old website basically you sell your items for their items simple and easy (UI is a bit weird and slow) https://ocu.tf/ TF2 Warehouse Another Trading website for tf2 (not much popular now) feel free to check it out https://www.tf2wh.com/ TF2mart One of my personal favorite tf2 trading website after backpcak.tf. This website was developed by a Russian guy. The currency / trading in the website is a bit tricky to understand. If you do check it out and did not understand Do text me and I will help you http://tf2mart.net/ Rain.tf Another TF2 trading website https://rain.tf/ Dispenser.tf This is a great website to buy / sell steam games for TF2 keys https://dispenser.tf/ Vault.tf The best place to buy and sell Weapon KITS and Fabricators. http://vault.tf/ Tradeit.gg You can trade multiple items here https://tradeit.gg/ r/tf2trade This is the subreddit that’s all about trading TF2 items, here you can list your items or reply and make offers on other peoples trades. Mostly unusual trades are going on in this subreddit but you can make listings for any kind of TF2 trade, just make sure you read the rules before posting, so you format your post correctly and stuff like that, you know how picky Reddit can be about those things. https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/ TF2 Cashing out websites Marketplace.tf Always the best (run by the same owners as that of bacpack.tf and scrap.tf) https://marketplace.tf/ Bitskins https://bitskins.com/ Mannco.store https://mannco.store/ CS Deals has a tf2 section https://cs.deals/ TF2 Trading Bot websites Tired of trading manually? - check out these trading bot websites. I have also linked their discord links below Bot.tf (paid) https://bot.tf/ Tf2automatic (free) https://tf2automatic.com/ Scrippy.tf (Paid) https://scrippy.tf/ Discord Links backpack.tf https://discord.gg/j7cMkGF marketplace.tf https://discord.gg/kr8MU2C scrap.tf https://discord.gg/PEXZzZ4 STN https://discord.gg/NYaUV9Z manco.trade https://discord.gg/Z5CPczg Bot.tf https://discord.gg/3cMFRfW TF2automatic https://discord.gg/93wH4T2 Scrippy https://discord.gg/Gcy7KQf Quicksell.store https://discord.gg/qyT6K3f Spell Trading Discord https://discord.gg/RhfxSDS Best place to discuss and find offers for your items that have spells. You will also find a lot of people who are selling spelled items here and you will find almost every big spell collectors here. Types of Scams and Scammers In Simple Terms Scamming means Tricking or Fooling someone into stealing their valued items and running with it. There are many different types of scams in TF2. Some you heard of, some you may have fell for, and some you never thought existed. Don't worry! By the end of this section, you will know most (if not all) of the scams in TF2 and how to avoid them 1. Trusted Friend / Middleman Scam A classic scam, that almost everyone knows nowadays. The scammer and his victim both agree on a trade, usually including steam wallet codes or something similar. To make sure everyone gets what he was promised, the scammer suggests taking a middleman or asks his victim to choose a trusted friend as a middleman. One other reason for using a middleman will be - The scammer will say the item is duped and glitched and wants to check if the item after being traded will be seen in the second inventory. The following scenarios could occur The scammer chooses a friend as a middleman. He has a legit looking profile but is teaming up with the scammer The scammer suggests a popular, well known and legit middleman. His friend or 2nd account will try impersonating this middleman [They can also say we can use a Steam or Valve admin as a middleman] After the victim chooses a middleman, the friend or 2nd account of the scammer will impersonate the profile of the chosen middleman. Note: There is no such thing as a steam or valve admin, "They are called valve employees and they will never take part in a trade or add you ever". So if someone says this BS know that its a scammer. 2. Paypal / Steam wallet code Scam A very common method amongst scammers. The scammer will try to convince his victim that he will overpay for his item, in steam wallet codes or via PayPal. The following scenarios could occur: The victim doesn´t receive a working steam wallet code The victim goes first and never receives the money via PayPal The scammer goes first via PayPal but can charge the money back after he received the item The Scammer will impersonate a high tier and trusted trader and try to get your Item saying they will pay later. - So make sure to check who you are trading with all the time. Needlessly to say its a very unsafe method to cash out, never trade for codes of any kind, or PayPal money. There is a guide for PayPal scam on the forums go through that before doing any PayPal trades if you are unsure what to do. 3. Impersonators A very common scam among the CSGO and TF2 community. The scammer, pretending to be a big trader, will add you and tell you that he is interested in buying your items and will give you links to the real person's profile. Keep in mind No big traders will ever add you for any of your items (Cases are very rare). Simple way to know if the guy who added you is legit or not is by checking their steam inventory, If its set to private or if you see "My inventory Link" written on their profile then be 100% sure its a scammer, anything they say to justify the reason for having inventory private or another inventory link on their profile is BS. 4. Youtuber Scam The scammer pretends to be a famous YouTuber who apparently needs your item for a video. Needlessly to say, he won't return it. No famous YouTuber will ever ask you for any of your skins. Keep that in mind. This is just another form of Impersonating scam Fairly simple and well-known. No matter who asks you, if it´s (seemingly) a Youtuber/streamer or even if it is a close friend - DO NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR ITEMS. This person could be an impersonator and even if you made sure that it is the actual person, this very person could always be greedy, or maybe just need the money. Anyway, it´s never a good idea to give away your skins for free, and if you actually want to borrow an item to a friend, make sure its someone to trust and at your own risk. I´ve heard of multiple people who got scammed by their "friends" over some point. 5. Bitskins bot scam This needs no special introduction or anything, Its the most common type of scam out there. The scammer adds the user and says he is willing to buy their item but before they buy they want to make sure if the item is marketable on bitskins and asks the victim to list their item in Bitskins and convince them to do it. While the victim is doing this the scammer sends a trade offer from their alt account named "Bitskins Bot 5" or something similar tricking the user into believing that the trade offer actually came from the Bitskins website. 6. Fake Gamble Sites This scam is a fairly new one. The scammer randomly adds his victim (usually through steam groups) and tells him he is the owner, moderator or co-owner of a new gambling site. Since he is apparently not allowed to play on there himself, he´ll promise his victim to let him win on the site in exchange for a profit participation. Since this site can mostly be manipulated by the scammer himself he´ll choose a winner for the next draw/round and tell his victim the name to proof that he can actually make anyone win. Once the victim deposits his skins on the site, they are either gone, or cant be withdrawn. 7. Phishing links A very common method to spread a virus is via misleading links. In most cases, they look like links from popular websites (e.g. imgur, steam, youtube etc.) but differ in only 1 letter, Like the o can be a 0 in the link etc.Do not click any links from someone who you do not know in person, it can steal your login data and send it to them. DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS ON THE STEAM CHAT WINDOW Read more here - https://forums.steamrep.com/pages/hijacking/ 8. Quick Switching One of the oldest scamming methods is called "Quickswitching". Back in the days where the mobile authenticator wasn´t a thing and many people disabled the email confirmation step, the scammer invited his victim to a trade and put in the desired item. A few seconds before the victim agrees to the trade, he exchanges the desired item for a similar looking, but different quality one. If done quickly, the victim only had a very slight time window to react. Luckily this trade doesn't work anymore since everyone has Steam guard confirmation step enabled. Yet there are some people who do not notice it and still get scammed. 9. Teamspeak Scam An extended phishing link method. The scammer adds his victim, telling he and his team will take part of a tournament but they need one more player/backoff. As soon as the victim agrees to help out, the scammer sends him the Teamspeak IP, to start "training" a little. As soon as the victim tries to enter the Teamspeak server, a SERVER notification pops up, asking to upgrade to the latest ts3 version. These pop-ups are server notifications with phishing links, do not click on them. If a new Teamspeak version has been released, your Teamspeak client will tell you as soon as it starts, not as soon as you join a server. 10. Email confirmation Link A scam that used to be around a long time ago, when the trading scene just started to grow. The scammer asks his victim to copy paste him the E-mail confirmation/decline link. Although this scam method is - luckily - not around anymore, keep in mind not to give any unnecessary information to strangers. This information will either stay useless or may even harm you or others. 11. Misleading trade offer Scam You get a Trade offer, In the trade offer, the note probably says something like this: "Upon the acceptance of this trade, you will receive $100 via PayPal." There are no items being offered to you. When you accept, there is no cash. and you lose the item The scammer may change his name to "Screw TF2, Quitting TF2" The note would say something like "I'm leaving TF2, here's some free stuff!". Instead of him offering anything, it would show you offering him free stuff! When you accept it, you end up losing items There are more ways for this to happen but hard to explain everything here (you get the idea) NEVER ACCEPT A TRADE OFFER THAT IS EMPTY ON ONE SIDE. If u come across a trade offer like that double and triple check before accepting. 12. Social Media Scam Scammers will have groups relating to trading on various social media like facebook, and they will show you many fake reputation comments and screenshots to make you believe that they are a very reputed person. Do not fall for this. What happens here is that they will ask you to go first and send them the item and they will say "you will get your money in your paypal" after I have received the item. You believe them seeing all the fake rep send the item to them and they RUN A simple thing to remember - never talk about a steam trade outside of steam client chat window. Any reputation they show you will mostly be fake. 13. Festive / Festivized Scam This is another common scam method, where a user will send a random trade offer with Festivized Item instead of festive. They will look same in game but they are different by item. A festive item is unboxed, A festivzed item is applying a festivizer to a weapon Here is a screenshot of a scam attempt. This is a festivized scattergun and not festive. https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Festive Scattergun/Tradable/Craftable <---------- Strange Festive Scattergun https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Festivized Scattergun/Tradable/Craftable <----- Strange Festivized Scattergun Check the item on both the links carefully and understand the difference in price. A festivized item will have it written in item description as Festivized in yellow color and a festive item will have the name as Festive Item name, make sure the name is not in between " " because then the item was renamed. 14. Duped item / Accidentally reported you / Item verificaiton This is a very stupid scam attempt where the scammer tries to convince you that you have duplicated items and they will need to be checked by a steam admin and should be passed though a steam database bot, or the conversation will start like sorry I accidentally reported you for having duplicate items. This is a scam, there is no such thing as steam admin or steam databse bots. The steam admin will also threaten you to delete your steam account & show you fake edited screenshots of your account with a delete account button, Do not believe any of this. Read more here - https://forums.steamrep.com/pages/about-item-checking-scam/ 15. Steam API Key Scam Credits to - https://marketplace.tf/blog/posts/YHLZOB A new attack designed to bypass the Steam Mobile Authenticator. What's worse, the attack makes it appear as if legitimate traders and services have scammed users, when in fact these legitimate traders never received any trades at all. Here's how the attack works: The attacker manages to get the victim to enter their Steam username and password on a phishing website; additionally, they gain a single login code as part of the phish. Although they can now login and control your account, they do not have the ability to confirm trades. Sometime after gaining access to your account, the attacker poses as a trade asking the victim to trade their items to a trade service, such as Marketplace.tf / Bitskins / Scrap.tf etc The user is instructed to click the deposit link directly from these legit websites, which leads them to the trade offer page of a legitimate site bot. The user sends a trade offer depositing their items to a real site bot. Nobody has been scammed yet and this is where the scam really kicks in As soon as the user sends the trade offer to the real bot, the Scammers cancel the trade offer (remember, they have access to the victim's account, just not their mobile authenticator app) and send an identical trade offer to a different account that looks exactly like the intended recipient. By the time the victim has loaded their Steam Mobile Authenticator confirmations page, the trade offers will already have been swapped. They will see a confirmation for a trade that looks exactly like the one they sent to the real recipient -- but it's the fake one. They confirm it, and their items are never seen again. It's important to note that this process can be done for any trade offer your account sends after being hijacked -- any time you send an item to someone else, they could swap the trade offers and you would be none the wiser. Therefore, if your account has been hijacked, simply avoiding trading with bots or suspicious individuals is not adequate protection. Phishing sites can be extremely convincing and anyone can fall victim to them. After being hijacked, any trade offer you send can be hijacked What to do if I get hijacked? 1. Change password immediately, and also change it anywhere else you have the same password set. The scammer will try to log into your email with it when he loses access. Changing password will force their current login session on your account to be terminated. They will lose access to your account, and you will be safe. Even if you don't think you've been hijacked you should consider changing your password every 6 months or once a year. Additionally, changing your password does not give you a temporary trade suspension, as many believe; rather, resetting your password through the "forgot password" menu temporarily suspends you from trading on Steam. Properly changing your password has no penalty. 2. De-authorize all other devices here: https://store.steampowered.com/twofactor/manage 3. Revoke any API keys set. Their only use, if you don't know what it is, is keeping control of your account. https://steamcommunity.com/dev/apikey Many times, the account hijackers will set up an API key on your account in order to efficiently control it. Unless you specifically remember setting up your API key for a specific task, you do not need one. Even if you do need one, the attackers have almost definitely stolen it, so you should generate a new one to ensure they cannot use it. 4. If this still doesn't resolve the issue, contact Steam Support at https://help.steampowered.com/ How to avoid all the above scams & Scammers The scammer's goal is simple. To steal your item and to do so he will say a lot of bullshit and blindside you with profit meaning offering more than what an item is valued. Never fall for such cheap tricks The first thing you have to realize while starting to trade is, there will always be people who will harm others in order to make some profit. People like those exist in masses because the internet gives them enough emotional distance to their victim. If you feel uncomfortable while doing a trade, don't do it, there´s no need to. It´s your item, so is it your decision. If someone seems fishy in any way, do not trust him. Having a higher steam level doesn't mean the user can be trusted, Even you can increase your steam level by spending money +rep on the user's profile is easy to fake and should not be trusted. Since all comments can be deleted by the scammer, putting -rep on a profile is pointless. Make sure their PayPal is verified before doing a PayPal trade. Check their recent game playtime. Many scammers use separate alt's for gaming and scamming. NEVER click links to steam profiles given to you by traders. These are often phishing sites and logging into them will result in your steam account being hijacked. Check their Steamrep profile to see if they are a scammer. Also check, to see the creation date of their profile. If their profile was made within the last month or so, be wary DO NOT talk about a steam trade outside the steam window such as Discord or any social media https://steamrep.com/ or https://rep.tf/ Go to one of these websites and paste the user's profile URL on the website search and check (This is the easiest way to check if the user is a scammer or not) Another easier way is to use the Steam Rep Checker Chrome extension (My personal Suggestion) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/steamrep-checker/egnijmkeaaclmednfcjhmhangbfipidf <--- Install this in your google chrome and open their profile on chrome It should look something like this https://gyazo.com/f103119e20d60393e88807cad57cfb08 If the user is a scammer. It auto scans steam rep and pops up a warning. Everything else is said above, but just saying The main things again Never get blinded by profit and always check steam rep of a user you are trading with (if the value of the item is high) Never trade without getting anything in return I will also link some useful stuff here. Help! Is this site a scam? https://forums.steamrep.com/pages/scam-sites/ Pre-Trade check lists https://steamrep.com/tips/pretrade If you wish to trade via paypal - here is a useful guide you should read before you do your 1st paypal trade Calculator.tf A website used to convert the Key value to ref and vise versa - If you are confused with a decimal key value (1.56 keys for example) just use this website https://calculator.tf/ and finally also read this https://forums.steamrep.com/pages/commonscams/ Well that sums up this guide In short - This is what I did and what I followed and I am living proof for Scrap to Unusual can be done. Set a Goal for trading Do not simply trade without any goals, I had a dream which was to own The BEST Unusual (effect) in the game NEBULA I never traded much in unusual's and I quit unusual trading after I got the unusual's and taunts I Wanted. As a legend once said "when you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it" 10$ is all I spent in TF2 and I have cashed out over 1000's of $ 5$ to buy my 1st 2 keys and 5$ to buy my 1st 4 mvm tickets! On 23rd March-2017 Just after 1 year of trading, I was able to reach my dream of getting my 1st own Nebula Unusual. https://backpack.tf/item/4747269531 Nebula Phononaut But I did not stop there I wanted to own an even better hat ( The Universal Translator ) 4 months after getting the phononaut I was able to get my hands on Strange Nebula Universal Translator https://backpack.tf/item/4800061296 (RIP now) My backpack on March 12 - 2016 Started off with 2 keys bought from the steam market https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198078552523?time=1457769600 & My Backpack on April 27 - 2016 Got an 8 Key Fab from mvm sold for 6 keys.These were my initial Investment in Trading https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198078552523?time=1461715200 "Hope my way of trading was inspiring, For me to achieve this much in from just 2 keys is actually a big deal" Also, I hope you found some new websites here from the ones listed above. If you wanna get in touch with me Feel free to add me on steam (comment before adding) http://steamcommunity.com/id/Zmok3/ or DM me on discord SmokeY#2955 There might be a lot of things that are not mentioned and there might be some sites or things I must have forgotten. Also, I am sure there will be a lot of typos if you spot anything do let me know Thank you for reading and finally, any criticism appreciated! - SmokeY

The owners of Mannco.store could cure world hunger and people would still find ways to complain. While I believe the owners are very sketchy individuals, plus there are still massive issues with the site (some of which, competitors don't have) from what I saw they laid out a good roadmap, refunding people full SELL ORDER value for items under $1000 is very generous + reduced fees are also good for traffic (don't know if they'll stay, but over time we'll see). The couple of issues I can see is why the anti-virus software or whatever tf they used leaked their bot secrets, and if the site is still using the same company. The other issue i see is for the bigger ticket items and how much they'll actually reimburse people for, as plenty were listed quite high but that's a future issue. I thought they wouldn't do anything but the owners seem committed, going to be interesting to see how this unfolds though.

if u see me conga taunting around with some new halloweens i got from my russian friend, look the other way.

so lets say it is bad manners, would that stop you? cause it sure doesn't stop all the other premium users

2k hours? Did you ever really start playin?

+Trust seems invalid. You wouldn't have paid the 59 keys back if it weren't for the huge burst of disapproval your thread got.

Bro why would you post this

Hey, Cave here. Thank you all for the kind words and the like, but please wait for the announcement to be posted tonight before jumping to conclusions. As for me personally: thank you for everything, but I am at the end of my rope and I am devestated for the Bot Owners who trusted my service even after the first incident and still were a victim of this. The victims here have lost money, my Staff have had their reputation tarnished and my service ruined. I am devestated. Emotionally drained. Broke. A failure. Please do keep this discussion civil and don't fight, it's all pointless anyways. Learn from my mistakes.

Don't worry guys it was just part of the scream fortress update! They're really stepping up their game with these jumpscares : D

1. go to the nearest mcdonalds 2. get hired 3. rake in 10 keys/hour 4. don't trade

First of all, you know this is not the way to deal with any issues. If your bot is banned, make an appeal from that account and we will look into it. Making a thread which sounds like a ranting 10 year old is not how you deal with these issues. Second, uncraft genuine fear mongers do not exist as far as I know. The fear monger in trade offers from people I could find are craftable - https://backpack.tf/item/5140151073 https://backpack.tf/item/4374806161 . Your bot does appear to be declining trades for craftable genuine fear mongers even though it had a listing up at that price. That is against the rules and will lead to a ban. We do not play favorites with our bans. If you are in violation of our rules, you will be banned. We sometimes give warnings on first offenses, but to my knowledge this is not a first offense for your bots. Just because you pay for premium does not mean you are above the rules. The rules apply to you as much as they apply to anyone else. Have some respect for the rules and ensure that all your bots are following them. If you don't want to deal with your bots getting banned, make sure that their listings are correct and that they are accepting offers. If you have too many listings to handle, you may want to consider making less listings.

why would I want to use this site over marketplace or even mannco the no fees for buyers thing is cool until you realize it’s going to be tacked on to the price like marketplace. mannco is “cheaper” but then the fees make it around the same price. after gladiators hack and manncos hack, anyone dumb enough to leave high value items in the hands of random bots deserves to get cleaned like a chump. all of the writing on the site is fluff with 0 substance, and I fail to see the wow factor that separates this site from others. Every site offers “best security and support” just like papa johns has “the finest quality ingredients” or whatever bullshit they put on the box its called puffery and it’s legal for companies to do. “The reason why puffery is not prohibited under advertising or consumer fraud laws is that most courts consider puffing to be so immaterial and unreliable that it cannot form the basis for liability” basically so long as you don’t outright lie about the site you can say anything you want about your service or product and not get in legal trouble for it legal puffery: “We offer you the best security in the industry, no questions asked.” illegal puffery: “With our top of the line security teams on standby, your items are guaranteed safe with us.” If somehow by a miracle this goes live and thrives, I expect russell to make a ctrade.tf hacked thread soon after

id feel bad for you if you weren’t notorious for sharking and flipping shit for 100x price on mannco so awesome of you to make your hats 35-50k USD each in the hopes that some sucker actually pays that price mannco technically doesn’t owe you anything according to the rules they set so whatever they offer you is pretty much what you get

who cares

pic related, my orphaned neo natals i saved outside, they got abandoned with the umbilical cord still on, probably around 48 hours old max. had to feed them and wipe their asses to use the bathroom every 2-3 hours, 24 hrs a day for 2-3 weeks before they even could start functioning on their own. in life you make excuses or you make moves, we all prioritize different things.

update guys! we will be updating you with another update on your update soon! keep on the lookout for a roadmap to the next announcement letting you know there's more news coming down the pipeline lovely word salad bs, anyone who has items with the mannco bots can choose between 3 flavored lubes or a spit option for how they would like to get screwed by alex and co. as they continue to float "updates" down the river. maybe the compensation will come in mannco store shirts! hope you guys like bulk 3xl~!

Started trying to draw tf2 loadout. Although I think drawing loadouts is a bit cringe. 15+ years of classical art experience, recently I am studying graphic design by myself, feel free to add me to discuss. Ye, if you want a traditional still life sketch, that’s ok too, tho it's stupid.

buy a real misc

You need to get outside more.

Hello everyone, unboxed this earlier. I usually use the steam marketplace history to determine an items price but this item has never been sold before . Any tips on how I should go about selling it would be much appreciated

the answer is don't think about it who gives a shit

Well, you aren't even in the right place https://forums.backpack.tf/forum/27-team-fortress-2-cash-trading/

We have had issues for a long time in the way the site handles USD pricing for items. At present, we price refined based on cash sales, and then every item on the site gets a price derived from that. It has been pointed out repeatedly that this is not the best system, for two main reasons; 1) The vast majority of cash transactions happen in keys which trade at 1.85-1.95 USD, putting refined solidly around 0.06 USD. The difference isn't a small one. Refined moves very slowly. It's easily possible to move thousands of keys at 1.90 per key before moving even a few hundred refined at 0.08 per ref. When considering the intrinsic dollar value of all items, you have to keep these values in consideration - that the intrinsic refined value of all items is around 0.06 USD per ref. 2) Because refined moves so slowly, it's just not worth it from a time and energy perspective for highly reputable people to trade in refined. Refined moves most commonly on highly reputable sites such as marketplace.tf. People are willing to pay more for the convenience and added security. This additional value added is not part of the intrinsic value of the item itself and it certainly is not a value that gets transferred to all other items in the tf2 community, even keys. So, what can we do to fix this problem? The best idea would be to instead price keys based on cash sales and then derive all item prices from that. However, this is currently not possible the way the site is hard-coded, and would require an enormous re-write on the part of the devs. While it’s always a consideration for the future, the mod team have decided that we need a better solution for now. The idea we have come up with is something of a workaround. We will continue to price refined in USD but instead of using cash sales for refined itself, we will instead use cash sales for keys as the proof when pricing refined. We willthen use the ratio of refined to keys at the time of the suggestion to get a more accurate suggested USD value for refined. Cash sales for keys occur significantly more frequently, and occur in bulk outside of sites such as marketplace which may add a premium for the safety and security. This will be a much, much more accurate method for estimating the intrinsic value of items in the game in USD. In practice, the way a suggestion for refined would work would be as follows... Suggestion proof: · Trade links and histories showing X sales of keys for X USD. For the purpose of the example, let’s say 1.85, 1.9, 1.95, and 2 · Link or reference to the current key price in refined, let’s say 30 refined for example · You would then work out the USD price of refined based on the proof shown, for example: 1.85/30 = 0.062 1.9/30 = 0.063 1.95/30 = 0.065 2/30 = 0.067 · From this you might make a suggestion at 0.06 USD or even 0.06-0.07 USD We are happy to answer any questions that you have and explain our rationale further below. Hopefully the community will see that this is a positive change that makes for much more accurate USD values on all items on the site.