♫ MoPcKo cBuH4e :d Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Just noticed that one suggestion got accepted with literally no proof: http://www.backpack.tf/vote/id/545b7c1cba8d889a6c8b5660 Wanted to ask why it got accepted. I know it needed a drop but there was no proof, yet it got accepted when it should have been closed. Can we do that? Or just Puddington missclicked? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian. Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 That is fairly odd. However, one of the links of a guy selling for 1 scrap has 27 in stock. Not sure if you can base a price on just that 1 trade but pretty sure you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
same2me Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Proof was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators OverduePixels Posted November 6, 2014 Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2014 Just noticed that one suggestion got accepted with literally no proof: http://www.backpack.tf/vote/id/545b7c1cba8d889a6c8b5660 Wanted to ask why it got accepted. I know it needed a drop but there was no proof, yet it got accepted when it should have been closed. Can we do that? Or just Puddington missclicked? lol lol I also posted the same question Here. Didn't realize you posted it before me. I definitely agree it should have gotten closed. That suggestion actually goes against basic guidelines and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators OverduePixels Posted November 6, 2014 Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2014 Proof was there Actual proof wasn't there. It was pure laziness and against guidelines. ~ Do not create suggestions that: do not have any evidence whatsoever. Provide proof to support your suggestions: "proof" refers to evidence which show what an item sells at. Opinions aren't evidence, links to trades or screenshots are. Evidence must not be cherry-picked. More here http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/ and here http://backpack.tf/rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenging Flame Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sometimes it doesnt matter if there was proof or not. If the mod found that the suggestion was correct based on their own research regardless of proof, you will see a proofless suggestion pass. Its happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Time Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sometimes it doesnt matter if there was proof or not. If the mod found that the suggestion was correct based on their own research regardless of proof, you will see a proofless suggestion pass. Its happened before. That's not really true. People don't create suggestions for the mods to do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♛ AlphaOmega ♛ Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Inb4 Conspiracy theory, alts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Granted, it was an item that wasn't going down by much in price and its fairly obvious to see with the other spells dropping it would be as well. But the proof was pathetic and the decision to accept that suggestion given how it was presented was just as pathetic, if not more so. Hypocrisy runs rampant with some of these suggestions unfortunately. You'll get a guy with a white star who will actually do a pretty decent job making a suggestion and then it's a shit show by the trolls to bash it because they aren't a regular suggestor. Then you get the blue belts who just throw something together and it passes just because of their previous history making suggestions. Nothing new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonbonbon Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hypocrisy runs rampant with some of these suggestions unfortunately. You'll get a guy with a white star who will actually do a pretty decent job making a suggestion and then it's a shit show by the trolls to bash it because they aren't a regular suggestor. Then you get the blue belts who just throw something together and it passes just because of their previous history making suggestions. Nothing new here. I'm starting to wonder this myself, especially since another topic currently up also brings up some similar questions concerning another confusing suggestion where buyers were all that was used as proof and it got accepted, and I can't help but feel it got accepted because of a bias towards the suggester. The suggestion in question http://backpack.tf/v...88d884a6d8b494c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingkip Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Avenging flame is right, sometimes mods accept suggestions that are right based on their own market research. Mods can't suggest themselves anymore these days and as such the accepting mod might have known that the suggestion was correct, even though it wasn't properly proven there. And there's also bucket who became a mod by copying spreadsheet prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gent♥ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I'm starting to wonder this myself, especially since another topic currently up also brings up some similar questions concerning another confusing suggestion where buyers were all that was used as proof and it got accepted, and I can't help but feel it got accepted because of a bias towards the suggester. The suggestion in question http://backpack.tf/v...88d884a6d8b494c I'd be perfectly happy to imply there's a bias depending on the suggester. Are you saying you think a black belt doesn't know the market better than a white belt? And, d0's suggestion there is not a fair example, there's another similar suggestion open currently on the genuine grizzled growth... ALL the ones on the market, practically, are painted. Buyers are the only viable proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonbonbon Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Are you saying you think a black belt doesn't know the market better than a white belt? No, that is not what I am implying. I merely said I felt that way since I saw a few people comment that, because it was d0 who suggested, that this was a common occurrence for his suggestions to be accepted when in other circumstances, they would have been criticized a bit more; that is what I mean when I say it feels a little like bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators OverduePixels Posted November 7, 2014 Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2014 Actual proof wasn't there. It was pure laziness and against guidelines. ~ Do not create suggestions that: do not have any evidence whatsoever. Provide proof to support your suggestions: "proof" refers to evidence which show what an item sells at. Opinions aren't evidence, links to trades or screenshots are. Evidence must not be cherry-picked. More here http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/ and here http://backpack.tf/rules Sometimes it doesnt matter if there was proof or not. If the mod found that the suggestion was correct based on their own research regardless of proof, you will see a proofless suggestion pass. Its happened before. Avenging flame is right, sometimes mods accept suggestions that are right based on their own market research. Mods can't suggest themselves anymore these days and as such the accepting mod might have known that the suggestion was correct, even though it wasn't properly proven there. And there's also bucket who became a mod by copying spreadsheet prices I have to disagree here. You do require proof as mentioned on the suggestion guide and as on rules. If you can cherry pick, be lazy and post a single link or two, what is the point of putting effort on suggestions like the one I have mention on my thread. This one : http://backpack.tf/vote/id/545bac1dba8d884e518b49e3 I mean it is pretty clear almost all Halloween spells needs a drop, what is the point of putting effort on suggestions show sellers and unsold when you can just put two links and get it accepted. It was absolutely fine doing so 2 years ago but rules have changed, guides have been made for people to follow and do what it says. Not to mention it definitely sent the white belt suggester a message that he can get away with being sheer lazy and does not need to do work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators OverduePixels Posted November 7, 2014 Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2014 Since this has gotten more traffic, I will ask here. Question to mod : Does that mean we can get away like the suggester and suggest like that? Or post a link to Outpost search? Because that is clearly not what the rule and guide states ☠What exactly is the point of putting effort like this then? http://backpack.tf/vote/id/545bac1dba8d884e518b49e3 As well as this : http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54598febb88d88d7578b4dca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayTuut Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Was Puddington drunk? (jk ily man <3) But hmm it is odd, no notes saying "how much he sold" But still needs links on it doesnt sell for 0.22 and more solds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤ Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Just noticed that one suggestion got accepted with literally no proof: http://www.backpack.tf/vote/id/545b7c1cba8d889a6c8b5660 Wanted to ask why it got accepted. I know it needed a drop but there was no proof, yet it got accepted when it should have been closed. Can we do that? Or just Puddington missclicked? lol http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Halloween%20Spell%3A%20Putrescent%20Pigmentation you dont need proof for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingkip Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Was Puddington drunk? (jk ily man <3) Puddington isn't woifi, woifi is the one that's always drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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