Help me make an Elite 4

[Jams]

EVENTUALLY I want to make a ROM hack. Yesterday I was bored so I made the Pokemon of an Elite 4.

I'm asking for opinions/suggestions

For example:

Which specific Pokemon should I replace.

Which member of the Elite 4 should be moved from it's order/removed/replaced with a different team.

Flaws in the Elite 4 (I haven't had a chance to test the in-game as of yet so I can't say if they have a common weakness)

Specific tweaking of the Pokemon's moves.

Also if you had any ideas of names/appearances that would be cool too.

 

Phew, now that that's over, here's the trainers in their current order I'll have the player face them.

 

Trainers:

 

Unnamed Poison Trainer:

Tentacruel - Hydro Pump, Sludge Bomb, Giga Drain, Ice Beam

Crobat - Aerial Ace, Feint Attack, Sludge Bomb, Steel Wing

Nidoking - Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Sludge Bomb, Earthquake

Venomoth - Sleep Powder, Psychic, Signal Beam, Rest

Venusaur - Toxic, Skull Bash, Solar Beam, Sludge Bomb

Gengar - Hypnosis, Shadow Ball, Brick Break, Hyper Beam

 

Unnamed Rock Trainer:

Golem - Sandstorm, Toxic, Double Edge, Rollout

Armadlo - Swords Dance, Dig, Fury Cutter, Rock Slide

Aggron - Dragon Claw, Flamethrower, SolarBeam, Rock Slide

Solrock - Cosmic Power, Psychic, Overheat, Explosion

Tyranitar - Outrage, AncientPower, Crunch, Earthquake

Magcargo - Rock Slide, Fire Blast, Double Team, Rest

 

 

Unnamed Water Trainer:

Poliwrath - Hydro Pump, Submission, Psychic, Ice Beam

Sharpedo - Dive, Crunch, Skull Bash, Rest

Lanturn - Charge, Thunder, Confuse Ray, Double Team

Slowking - Psychic, Blizzard, Surf, Iron Tail

Swampert - Take Down, Muddy Water, Earthquake, Rock Tomb

Ludicolo - Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Leech Seed, Uproar

 

 

Unnamed Flying Trainer:

Charizard - Outrage, Earthquake, Wing Attack, Flamethrower

Tropius - Nature Power, Magical Leaf, Fly, Synthesis (Still deciding if I should drop it or not, going to do some in-game testing)

Skarmory - Whirlwind, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Substitute 

Aerodactly - Toxic, Ancientpower, Earthquake, Bite

Xatu - Psychic, Drill Peck, Shadow Ball, Double Team

Dragonite - Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Earthquake

 

Normal Type Champion (still deciding on pokemon)

Kangaskahn - Spikes, Ariel Ace, Fury Cutter, Iron Tail, 

Exploud - Water Pulse, Flame Thrower, Ice Beam, Extracensory

Slaking - Substitute, Rest, Sleep Talk, Snore

Snorlax - Substitute, Curse, Hyper Beam, Body Slam

Blissey - Minimize, Solfboiled, Seismic Toss, Toxic

Porygon2 - Tri Attack, Conversion2, Psychic, Recover

 

 

Yes, it look me that long.

 

Thanks for your opinions. 

 

EDIT: Currently making a team of a normal type champion, your input is VERY much welcomed.

[Hatrix]

Personally, I'd take one of the fossil pokemon out of the Rock trainer, if you put both in, it feels too gimmicky.

[Jams]

Personally, I'd take one of the fossil pokemon out of the Rock trainer, if you put both in, it feels too gimmicky.

I just did this for some more type diversity/trying to avoid putting in the generic rock/ground type. 

 

Edit: I was also thinking of dropping Kabutops in there, but that would give 3 out of 4 of them a water type. 

[Hatrix]

Honestly, he's got too many powerhouses, I'd use Bastiodon instead of one of the fossil pokemon to give the player the challenge of taking out a super tanky ass pokemon.

 

If not, drop Cradily for the slowest Rock Head Sudowoodo possible (Wood Hammer, Stone Edge, Sucker Punch, Hammer Arm) and give a different pokemon Trick Room.

[KingPheonix]

When i first saw, this, i didn't see the 4, and thought you were tryna trade up to an elite-grade weap :/

[Jams]

Honestly, he's got too many powerhouses, I'd use Bastiodon instead of one of the fossil pokemon to give the player the challenge of taking out a super tanky ass pokemon.

 

If not, drop Cradily for the slowest Rock Head Sudowoodo possible (Wood Hammer, Stone Edge, Sucker Punch, Hammer Arm) and give a different pokemon Trick Room.

I don't have access to gen 4 mons, since it's a gen 3 hack. And Sudowoodo was originally in the team so I might drop Cradily for him like you said.

 

Edit: I could make him the champion and add another Elite 4 member to replace him.

[TacoDip]

I'd suggest a normal type elite 4 person since those don't exist yet (I think)

[Mengh.]

Everything's alright I'd say, however one thing is that a Gengar shouldn't have explosion in the move set as that would somewhat be too easy to deal with. Maybe change Explosion to Hypnosis?

[AdamWTS]

I've studied your team thoroughly, I'd like to give you some suggestions

 

Poison Trainer:

- Not enough Poison-type moves imo, only 2 poison moves users? Good ol' 3rd gen physical Sludge Bomb is everyone's friend

- I'd replace Gengar with something else, it's more Ghost-type themed than Poison, Muk maybe? However, if you want to keep it, I suggest giving it a special set instead of physical.

 

Rock Trainer:

- Remove one fossilmon, take Aerodactyl from the Flying guy and give it to him.

- Give Aggron Rock Slide

 

Water Trainer:

- Rework Ludicolo's moveset - it should utilize its Water typing instead of Sunny Day - Solarbeam set which hinders the rest of the team. I suggest  RainDance / Surf / Giga Drain / Leech Seed

 

Flying Trainer

- Remove Tropius. It's not strong enough to be a part of final E4 member's team. Replace it with a stronger mon like Gyarados or/and add a second Dragon/Flying like Altaria or Salamence (in place of Aerodactyl)

- Replace Charizard's Steel Wing and Dragonite's Thunderbolt with Earthquakes for some more Electric-type coverage.

[Jams]

I'd suggest a normal type elite 4 person since those don't exist yet (I think)

I was contemplating this, the only problem is that most normal types are pretty weak and half the team would be generic stuff (ditto,smeargle,miltalk)

[Hatrix]

I was contemplating this, the only problem is that most normal types are pretty weak and half the team would be generic stuff (ditto,smeargle,miltalk)

Normals get pretty tanky actually. Slaking, Exploud, Blissey, Kecleon, Ursaring, and Tauros would be my choice for a normal elite four member. Snorlax is too overused which is why I'd drop him.

[Jams]

I've studied your team thoroughly, I'd like to give you some suggestions

 

Poison Trainer:

- Not enough Poison-type moves imo, only 2 poison moves users? Good ol' 3rd gen physical Sludge Bomb is everyone's friend

- I'd replace Gengar with something else, it's more Ghost-type themed than Poison, Muk maybe? However, if you want to keep it, I suggest giving it a special set instead of physical.

 

Rock Trainer:

- Remove one fossilmon, take Aerodactyl from the Flying guy and give it to him.

- Give Aggron Rock Slide

 

Water Trainer:

- Rework Ludicolo's moveset - it should utilize its Water typing instead of Sunny Day - Solarbeam set which hinders the rest of the team. I suggest  RainDance / Surf / Giga Drain / Leech Seed

 

Flying Trainer

- Remove Tropius. It's not strong enough to be a part of final E4 member's team. Replace it with a stronger mon like Gyarados or/and add a second Dragon/Flying like Altaria or Salamence (in place of Aerodactyl)

- Replace Charizard's Steel Wing and Dragonite's Thunderbolt with Earthquakes for some more Electric-type coverage.

Thanks for all the input, I'm doing most of what you said, but I wanted to clarify something. 

 

The order of the pokemon is the order I would try to work them coming out, (obviously the AI would try to counter mons coming at them) The last pokemon on each team was meant to be a bit different as a last resort. If I ever make it I plan on restricting the last mon on each team to come out, to always be the trainer's last resort. 

 

For example:

Gengar is COMPLETELY different than the rest of the team. This was done on purpose.

Magcaro is a switch from the rest of the rock team, (which I designed to be all-out attacking) It has rest and double team making it keep alive long enough to get all 6 double teams down to avoid your attacks and sweep with Rock slide and Fire blast.

Ludicolo was made to be different, using solar beams, having leech seed to gain health back, and also have uproar to do straight damage to whatever type comes up against it. 

Dragonite was made to be an all out attacker with many types of attacks.

 

Again, thanks for your imput and I'm going to implement most of what you said.

[Angelcake]

add me to the game pls c;

[Fenrir]

I had the same dreams as you. Making a ROM hack is hard, so please realize that. i only got half way done with mine before I ran into some programming bugs and glitches that ruined the whole game. Maybe one day ill pick it up again. Heres the outline... please dont steal my idea guys

 

 

 

 Pokemon: Dystopia

Basic idea: modern day pokemon is in dystopia: people live in ramshackle huts and shacks, in little run down poor communities. Meanwhile, Gym Leaders, who are the Champion’s Generals so to speak, and the Elite Four live in luxury, lording over the population, corrupted by their inherent greed. The worst of them all is the Champion, who sits high in his throne, turning a blind eye to the sufferings of the common people, and instating a rule with an iron fist. People go missing in the middle of the night never to be seen again, supposedly dragged off to the Champion’s “Re-education Camp.†But, rebellion is sprouting and the rebels have their chosen child, sent to them by Arceus to overthrow the champion. The Champion’s Secret Police (basically the evil team in this game), have decided to capture the fabled pokemon Cresselia in order to stomp the revolution out. Can our hero, chosen by Arceus, save the region?

GYMS

1st Gym -  Bug Type

Beedrill  lvl 12

• Agility

• Twinneedle

• Toxic Spikes

• Pursuit

Dustox lvl 14

• Toxic

• Confusion

• Roost

Beautifly lvl 15

• Stun Spore

• Struggle Bug

• Sunny Day

• Morning Sun

Gives you Toxic and Sting Badge

2nd Gym - Rock Type (Roark)

Onix lvl 17

• Rock Tomb

• Stealth Rock

• Rock Polish

Nosepass lvl 17 (Ability: Sandforce)

• Rock Tomb

• Thunder Wave

• Sandstorm

• Smack Down

Cranidos lvl 19

• Headbutt

• Slam

• Rock Polish

Gives you Rock Polish and Gem Badge

3rd Gym - Fire Type

Ponyta lvl 21

• Sunny Day

• Flame Wheel

• Stomp

• Solar Beam

Combusken lvl 21

• Aerial Ace

• Reversal

• Bulk Up

Houndoom lvl 24

• Fire Fang

• Feint Attack

• Will-O-Wisp

• Snarl

Gives you Sunny Day and Flashfire Badge

4th Gym - Fighting Type (Chuck)

Mienfoo lvl 26 (Ability: Regenerator)

• Meditate

• Fake Out

• U-Turn

• Brick Break

Machoke lvl 28 (Ability: Guts)

• Low Kick

• Dual Chop

• Wake Up Slap

• Knock Off

Primeape lvl 29 (Ability: Anger Point)

• Fire Punch

• Ice Punch

• Thunder Punch

• Hone Claws

Gives you Lowkick and the Bust Badge

5th Gym - Dark Type

Krokorok lvl 32 (Ability: Intimidate)

• Payback

• Dig

• Crunch

• Knock Off

Mightyena lvl 32 (Ability: Intimidate)

• Sucker Punch

• Crunch

• Taunt

• Dark Pulse

Sharpedo lvl 32 (Ability: Rough Skin)

• Ice Fang

• Waterfall

• Night Slash

• Poison Jab

Umbreon lvl 34 (Ability: Synchronize)

• Fake Tears

• Dark Pulse

• Wish

• Shadow Ball

Gives you Knock Off and the Gloom Badge

6th Gym - Water

Vaporeon lvl 36 (Ability: Water Absorb)[Holding: Lum Berry]

• Scald

• Muddy Water

• Rest

• Yawn

Dewott lvl 36 (Ability: Torrent)

• Surf

• Ice Beam

• Scald

• Screech

Kingler lvl 36 (Ability: Shell Armor)

• Swords Dance

• Dive

• Guillotine

• Slam

Milotic lvl 38 (Ability: Marvel Scale)

• Dragon Breath

• Waterfall

• Hypnosis

• Light Screen

Gives you Scald and Brine Badge

7th Gym - Poison Types

Drapion lvl 41 (Ability: Sniper)

• Toxic Spikes

• Toxic

• Venoshock

• Cross Poison

Nidoking lvl 43 (Ability: Rivalry)

• Sucker Punch

• Earthquake

• Poison Jab

• Disable

Nidoqueen lvl 43 (Ability: Rivalry)

• Earth Power

• Venom Drench

• Venoshock

• Sludge Wave

Gives you Venoshock and Python Badge

8th Gym - Grass (Gardenia)

Sawsbuck lvl 45 (Ability: Sap Sipper)

• Aromatherapy

• Horn Leech

• Jump Kick

• Return

Carnivine lvl 45 (Ability: Levitate)

• Power Whip

• Crunch

• Synthesis

• Toxic

Roserade lvl 46 (Ability: Poison Point)

• Extrasensory

• Sleep Powder

• Mind Reader

• Leaf Storm

Venusaur lvl (Ability: Overgrow) [Holding: Power Herb] 47

• Petal Blizzard

• Sleep Powder

• Sludge Bomb

• Skull Bash

Torterra lvl 47 (Ability: Overgrow)

• Iron Tail

• Seed Bomb

• Rock Polish

• Earthquake

Gives you Aromatherapy and Botany Badge

Elite Four

Electric Type

 

Electrode lvl 50 (Ability: Static)

• Thunderbolt

• Thunder

• Light Screen

• Self Destruct

Manectric lvl 50 (Ability: Static)

• Electric Terrain

• Thunderbolt

• Rain Dance

• Thunder

Jolteon lvl 51 (Ability: Quick Feet)

• Thunder Wave

• Thunder

• Discharge

• Fake Tears

Elektross lvl 52 (Ability: Levitate)

• Wild Charge

• Rain Dance

• Thunder

• Dragon Claws

Electrivire lvl 53

• Thunderbolt

• Power Up Punch

• Cross Chop

• Thunder Punch

Steel Type

Steelix lvl 54 (Ability: Rock Head)

• Double Edge

• Iron Tail

• Sandstorm

• Heavy Slam

Bronzong lvl 54      (Ability: Heatproof)

• Calm Mind

• Extrasensory

• Gyro Ball

• Flash Cannon

Escavalier lvl 55 (Ability: Swarm)

• X-Scizzor

• Swords Dance

• Drill Run

• Iron Head

Aggron lvl 55(Ability: Heavy Metal)

• Heavy Slam

• Body Slam

• Earthquake

Registeel lvl 56

• Lock On

• Zap Cannon

• Iron Head

• Flash Cannon

Ice Type

 

Dewgong lvl 55 (Ability: Ice Body)

• Surf

• Ice Beam

• Hailstorm

• Blizzard

Jynx lvl 55 (Ability: Forewarn)

• Calm Mind

• Ice Beam

• Energy Ball

• Psychic

Glaceon lvl 56 (Ability: Ice Body)

• Hailstorm

• Ice Beam

• Barrier

• Last Resort

Frosslass lvl 56 (Ability: Cursed Body)

• Destiny Bond

• Shadow Ball

• Frost Breath

• Ice Punch

Mamoswine lvl 57 (Ability: Thick Fat)

• Avalanche

• Freeze Dry

• Icicle Crash

• Earthquake

Flying Type (Falkner)

Togekiss lvl 57 (Ability: Super Luck)

• Extreme Speed

• Aura Sphere

• Sky Attack

• Flame Thrower

Swoobat lvl 57 (Ability: Simple)

• Psychic

• Roost

• Tailwind

• Air Slash

Swoobat lvl 57 (Ability: Simple)

• Psychic

• Roost

• Tailwind

• Air Slash

Scyther lvl 58 (Ability: Technician)

• Wing Attack

• U-Turn

• Struggle Bug

• Swords Dance

Crobat lvl 59 (Ability: Inner Focus)

• Cross Poison

• Roost

• Acrobatics

• Brave Bird

Braviary lvl 60 (Ability: Sheer Force)

• Superpower

• Crush Claw

• Brave Bird

• Roost

CHAMPION

Persian lvl 60 (Ability: Technician) [item: Rocky Helmet] {SIGNATURE POKEMON}

• Return

• U-Turn

• Fake Out

• Bite

Druddigon lvl 61 (Ability: Rough Skin) [item: Leftover]

• Outrage

• Earthquake

• Sucker Punch

• Dragon Claw

Heatmor lvl 61 (Ability: White Smoke)

• Flamethrower

• Fire Blast

• Sunny Day

• Low Kick

Gyrados lvl 62 (Ability: Moxie)

• Dragon Dance

• Waterfall

• Bounce

• Crunch

Tyrannitar lvl 64 (Ability: Sandstream)

• Stone Edge

• Crunch

• Pursuit

• Superpower

Golem lvl 64 (Ability: Sand Veil)

• Earthquake

• Rock Blast

• Double Edge

• Heavy Slam

… and done.

[CourtneyWendysCommercials]

For the rock trainer, i'd either make all of his pokemon fossil pokemon, or only one.

[Taconinja]

One time a year or two ago I made a ROM hack, my advice is don't do it, waste of time and gets annoying as fuck.

[Hatrix]

You should totes add me as an npc somewhere off the beaten path as a hard trainer fight or a gym leader :^)

[Fenrir]

One time a year or two ago I TRIED to make a ROM hack, my advice is don't do it, waste of time and gets annoying as fuck.

 

FTFY

 

:^) we ROM hackers have all been there

[λngelღмander]

I'd love to see a high-leveled blissey with healing moves and seismic toss on the champ, as his/her highest level pokemon. Make that thing a freaking tank, and itll be pretty cool.

 

 

If you actually do start doing the rom hack, let me write the lines. I can't tell you how many times I've played rom hacks and said "I could have done this better." I've played enough rom hacks to know the ins and outs and I would be happy to be a part of it. I could also help write the plot 

[Taconinja]

FTFY

 

:^) we ROM hackers have all been there

Yea I got like 3 gyms in but no one played it or anything(I had a broken download link for like a month and not a single person noticed) so I was like if no one wants me to finish it what's the point and quit.

[Jams]

Just responding to everyone that has been on the thread. 

 

I would like to thank you for your imput! It's helped me get a good E4 down, I'm going to start testing them in-game now. 

 

On to people saying that making a ROM hack is hard. I know this before even going in. Ever since I have first played video games I have ALWAYS wanted to make my own. It's always been my dream. I love video games in general, and Pokemon. I can kill 2 birds with one stone here. Also with ROM hacking, you have your base assets already there and all the tools aren't that hard. The only bit I'll really need to learn is making scripts for things, but that's all down the road.

 

Again, thank you very much. This is why I love the community here.

[Hatrix]

Hatrix demands a hidden gym made up of backpack.tf members and they get to choose their pokemon.

[CourtneyWendysCommercials]

Yes, 8th gym should be a bunch of backpack.tf forumers, and the leader is bankip or polar.

[Tobiased]

Have a hunger games thing except we are armed with these pokemon teams

[Hatrix]

Hatrix demands that he be a lesser battle in the 8th gym and that his team be Swalot (Sticky Hold w/ Black Sludge; Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, Toxic), Sudowoodo (Rock Head w/ Silk Scarf; Double-Edge, Rock Slide, Protect, Earthquake), and Scizor (Swarm w/ Silver Powder; Fury Cutter, Swords Dance; Steel Wing; Protect).

 

If you can adjust AI, have me try to annoyingly regen HP with Swalot while countering any psychic type with Shadow Ball and any ground type with Giga Drain, go for powerful one hit KOs with Sudowoodo while spamming Protect, and with Scizor, pop one Swords Dance asap then pull the same thing Whitney does with her Miltank, spam a move that just gets more powerful the more you use it and go for the sweep. :^) Seems like a decent minor trainer battle, it has easy counters if you happen to have the Pokemon types required.