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Hello dear fellas, I have an unusual that is listed on steam market for like 30$, this individual randomly adds me:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/KalizarOnlyone/
This is the first time I see him, our convo:
 

me:
    yes?

𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    hello
    still for sell your Unusual Toy Soldier?

me:
    yes

𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    how much would you like to sell it then?

me:
    for how much was i selling it before?

𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    yeah but much better can you tell me your buyout price or target price then so i will consider it now,

me:
    you said 'still for sell your Unusual Toy Soldier?'. The word 'still' means in this conversation that you knew that i was selling it before.
    So if you knew that i was selling it before you would knew the price then too, isnt it correct?
    So what was the price i was selling it before? If you dont know the price, then how do you know that I was selling it?

𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    i saw your post on steam market then, i guess ill do 30$ its fair enoguh?

me:
    yes it sells on steam market for 30$ already
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    alright
    i dont use steam market to buy an item because steam market have 7days to tradehold and high tax i need to resell the item on day not for a week hope you can understand,
    but would be ok can i just buy it directly to you instead to avoid 7days trade hold from the market if you dont mind since i can still pay you for 30$ for your Unusual Toy Soldier,

me:
    sure, i accept keys
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    well i dont use keys to trade an item because keys are so high to get some profits on there,
    but how about i still pay you for steam wallet codes like steam gift card so its would be the same right?
    but do you know how to redeem the codes?

me:
    yeah sure
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    alright,

me:
    you expect me to send the hat first ?
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    so can you remove it first your item from steam market then?
    and 30$ and via steam wallet codes im correct?

me:
    you didnt respond to my question, you expect me to send the hat first?
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    yeah sure but how about this i can still  pay you first to make it fair ?
    i guess buyer always go first right to make it fair enough with you then as well?
    so did you already take it off your item from steam market as well? so we can settled our deal.
    alright then?

me:
    give me 10-15 min, i have to get to charge my phone and do it from there
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    aight sure,
    take your time.


So first of all, his english is trash, second of all, he obviously found me by looking at by backpack.tf account even though he states that he saw my listing on steam market,
as I know you can not find a user profile just by looking at his listing on steam market. I thought it would be a scam initially, and i still think its a scam, but i do not know whats the trick.
He says that he will send the steam gift card codes first, can he write a ticket to the support in order to chargeback those? or are those stolen codes and he just tries to get rid of them?
What is the point? Thanks for any info.

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He has a group linked to his profile, in that group he has his youtube link,
however on his youtube he links another steam profile, which seems to be his main one:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/kalizar00
however i looked into his backpack history and he only had keys last time which makes me think that this acc is an alt too:
https://next.backpack.tf/profiles/76561198291625723?time=1636243200
seems that he moves the keys from acc to acc doing shady business, but i still wonder whats the scheme.

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Obviously a scammer, the profile literally screams it.

 

All his keys trace to a suspected scammer fence/alt:

https://backpack.tf/item/10984478384 (example)

 

Points that indicate it:

 

-"cool anime artwork naruto" every 2nd scammer uses sth like that

- random .5 scrap items in item display

- private everything but inventory

- the same "7 days tradehold bad keys bad" talk every scammer uses

- today is the first they their backpack got loaded on bptf

 

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Yes you are right, didnt think checking his keys though. Thanks for the tip, will do that in the future.
I know that he looks like a scammer and talks like one, however what is the scam? I still dont get it.

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4 minutes ago, Übermensch_saveTF2 said:

Yes you are right, didnt think checking his keys though. Thanks for the tip, will do that in the future.
I know that he looks like a scammer and talks like one, however what is the scam? I still dont get it.

 

You could just continue talking to them and find out. I suspect:

 

1. "hey can you verify your items can be sold on site xy --> fake steam login"

2 "hey can you verify your items can be sold on site xy --> fake trade offer"

3. will try to get you to go first and then just remove and block

4. chargeback (too much effort, very unlikely that they will ever send somebody money to chargeback)

 

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2 minutes ago, Heidecker said:

 

You could just continue talking to them and find out. I suspect:

 

1. "hey can you verify your items can be sold on site xy --> fake steam login"

2 "hey can you verify your items can be sold on site xy --> fake trade offer"

3. will try to get you to go first

4. chargeback (too much effort, very unlikely that they will ever send somebody money to chargeback)

 

Will continue talking to him , I am too curious on this, will reply here in a few minutes

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As stated above clear scam. Anything that isn't Keys/items in a trade offer or a cash sale with a reputable buyer is more than likely a scam. Good rule of thumb.

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16 minutes ago, Übermensch_saveTF2 said:

Will continue talking to him , I am too curious on this, will reply here in a few minutes

You're better off blocking this guy

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Im giggling so much, i just cant. This is so funny because on his youtube channel he speaks fluently,
however in his convos he speaks so bad, maybe multiple persons run this accs and this is a bigger scheme than it first appears.
also I like how he just doesnt give up when I am clearly behaving hostile. Down below he starts to speak about some reddit moderators,
starts to link different steam profiles and a reddit group , I dont even know what I am looking at, what the hell is this...
 

me:
    hey my phone is ready so lets start
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    alright,
    so did you already take it off your item from steam market as well?
    so lets make a deal now
me:
    yep
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    do you have other listed selling items from steam market or within on your listed backpack?
    im interested to buy it too also
me:
    yes i do, but let's figure out whats the business with this one and if all will go smooth we will continue
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    alright,
    so how do you want to do this trade?
me:
    as you proposed
    you send the codes
    i activate them, if they work
    i send the item
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    yeah, so i should ill do send the steam wallet codes first right?
    but can i have a bit assurance to sending the money first to you?
    if you dont mind
me:
    i wonder what that would be
    so?
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    ok well i can send the money steam wallet  codes but i can we here tf2 reddit moderator to to feel ensure our deal us is safeso i have also guarantee to for sending  the steam wallet codes.cos i am only reseller here i dont want to get scam either.hope you get my point bro, sounds good?
    cos all i want to make it sure and feel me comfortable on our deal so both dont getting problem or scammed here,
    but you dont have to worries because you will still receive the steam wallet codes first but can we use a reddit moderator for more secured and fair trade.
me:
    I dont quite get how a tf2 reddit moderator will secure our deal, can you elaborate?Also we cant both get scammed at the same time, this is technically impossible.Nvm, so whats the point with reddit moderator, how does it work?
𝑲𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓:
    because reddit is the biggest community and we are only using a official as listed moderator so i prefer to use reddit moderator for making sure everything on our deal or trades will safe. check it out heres the list on reddit moderator.https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSteamTrading/wiki/index/?rdt=65363you can see all listed reddit moderator on there,btw before we seeking our moderator for us 30$ and via steam wallet codes right?
   71674E4578B178F86A4CB3F4B6A2B7EED9F7A5BA

    did you saw them all?
    how about we contact him so we can better understand how the service workshttps://steamcommunity.com/id/Maddenzxc/
    so lets try to contact him now?
    i added him already.

me:
    give me a min please I am just trying to understand all this

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That's funny bro. You can even get his account reported to steam and on backpack.tf so he can get marked.

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9 minutes ago, RussellSproutz_YT said:

You're better off blocking this guy

I feel like I am discovering a scooby doo mistery, its captivating, also I like making fun of scammers,
also I understand the scheme already, I send the item to this acc https://steamcommunity.com/id/Maddenzxc/, he is most likely a middle man that secures the items, i send the items to him, i get scammed, finita.

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12 minutes ago, Übermensch_saveTF2 said:

I feel like I am discovering a scooby doo mistery, its captivating, also I like making fun of scammers,
also I understand the scheme already, I send the item to this acc https://steamcommunity.com/id/Maddenzxc/, he is most likely a middle man that secures the items, i send the items to him, i get scammed, finita.

However I do not get why this reddit group has 500k followers, did someone heard before anything about this group? Is there a chance middlemans linked to this group are scamming people?

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okay yet we have this accs, however i do not know were to report them in order to get all their accs banned,
steam wont do anything about it, but i hope somehow to get them banned on backpack, do I have to open a support ticket or something?
also there wasnt any scam done yet, so my question is, do i have to get scammed in order to prove that these are scammers or is the current information enough as evidence?
if i can get my 30$ returned somehow I can let the scam happen (sorry , i am poor)

those are the scam related accs:

scammer acc
https://steamcommunity.com/id/KalizarOnlyone/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198341248062
scammer alt
https://steamcommunity.com/id/kalizar00 - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198291625723
scammer alts linked to this reddit group (which has fake followers, most likely):
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Maddenzxc/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199574739346
https://steamcommunity.com/id/ELORDEV/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198194668002

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Jorgdeyyy/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198296262147
https://steamcommunity.com/id/maikeeadones/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199400863591
 

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1 hour ago, Übermensch_saveTF2 said:

okay yet we have this accs, however i do not know were to report them in order to get all their accs banned,
steam wont do anything about it, but i hope somehow to get them banned on backpack, do I have to open a support ticket or something?
also there wasnt any scam done yet, so my question is, do i have to get scammed in order to prove that these are scammers or is the current information enough as evidence?
if i can get my 30$ returned somehow I can let the scam happen (sorry , i am poor)

those are the scam related accs:

scammer acc
https://steamcommunity.com/id/KalizarOnlyone/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198341248062
scammer alt
https://steamcommunity.com/id/kalizar00 - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198291625723
scammer alts linked to this reddit group (which has fake followers, most likely):
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Maddenzxc/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199574739346
https://steamcommunity.com/id/ELORDEV/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198194668002

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Jorgdeyyy/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198296262147
https://steamcommunity.com/id/maikeeadones/ - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199400863591
 

okay so the scammers vanished after my trade refusal, lel, yet trying to figure out how to get them banned on backpack, any tips?

 

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That idiotic scammer shot themselves in the foot by "exposing" all those accounts, which upon closer inspection are nothing but facades. Truly a dive in a dumbpster fire.

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Will create an issue and will link it here, maybe someone will be interested on checking it, thanks everyone for contribution.

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