Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Frostbite whirly. 90 keys. Incase you didnt see, Oli recently made a purchase for a frostbite whirly for 90 keys. The seller did have it listed for 90 keys, and there are bots/buyorders at 200+. I don't care if he just "paid the listed price" there was at very least a buy order for more than what was listed. At the VERY LEAST oli should have bought it for the buy price. But thats not the point. Hes backpack #9. Hes obviously got experience in trading. And to take advantage of someone without any experience? Tell me how thats not against the rules? A while back, bewitched got in trouble for offering unbalanced trades to new users. "Always check the value of items you trade." Oli did. The seller did not. Oli took advantage of him. Someone tell me how this is allowed. Edit #1: A few months ago, a player with 44 hours in tf2 dropped a golden pan on his first tour. Eric, one of the backpack mods, actually went to him and helped him out. This is what experienced people should do. Edit #2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man with the bird Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 At this point its less of whats right and whats wrong, and more of where are your morals at. Oli's in the right, since the seller listed it at 90 keys, he can buy it for 90 keys. He could have advised the person otherwise, but thats not something thats dictated in the rules. Oil didn't use and sort of coercion of what not. Not very moral, but he what did was not against the rules. He has no obligation to tell the person that he listed it for too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnetic Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 if the seller did not check the price of an item and lists it for that much sucks for the seller obviously if the seller did not pricecheck and oli told them it was worth less then that would make oli responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Frank Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Except Oli didn't mislead the seller in any way or form. The seller seems more annoyed by all of you people harassing him for the price he sold it for, judging by his recently privated profile, than the fact he could've gotten more for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breacher Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I get that this might be morally wrong, but you really cant blame him for buying something for buyout, yes he could have paid at least buy orders or smth, but this ain't scamming/sharking by any way mate. Just think of it like, what if someone unboxed and listed it on SCM for 90 keys and he bought from there for buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingLollipop Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 this just in, people who advertise the constant buying of literally anything are pretty much never going to pay a real market price for it truthfully it'd make sense if there was a listing warning if you're under buy orders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_ツ_ Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Bro this was a legendary snipe from an inexperienced user, what are you talking about ?? Mad profit!! This guy gets it https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/79493-how-to-instantly-make-250-keys-profit-baller-version Seriously though why make a witch-hunt post like this, it's not gonna do anything and I'm positive mods don't care, I've seen them practice book definition market manip themselves lol (ironically you're beloved Erik being one of them :^]) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shocked Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melusine Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Because traders like Oli are smug & psychopathic pieces of shit, who don't give a slightest fuck about anyone else. They buy up things with more demand than supply and then mark it up to a point where the profit margins are so huge that just a few sales mean they can easily replicate it over and over again until everything not in short supply is completely inacessible to anyone that doesn't have the luxury to drop hundreds of dollars on virtual items. Morals are a luxury, but in business it's a handicap. So (don't) buckle up, cuz we're going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melusine Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 And if you mods delete that comment, I will shake my fist in anger while documenting your totalitarian acts in my humanitarian manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amattica Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 This is called "Sharking" not "Scamming". Knowledge is power. Arm yourself with education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 This isn't sharking. Oli was just abiding by bp.tf rules, bot listings can be fake / not accept, and you're just mad you didn't see the discount before he did? If you're experienced enough to find backpack.tf and not figure out how to look at buy orders then he's lucky he didn't just get scammed and get no keys tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melusine Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, LSO said: This isn't sharking. Oli was just abiding by bp.tf rules, bot listings can be fake / not accept, and you're just mad you didn't see the discount before he did? If you're experienced enough to find backpack.tf and not figure out how to look at buy orders then he's lucky he didn't just get scammed and get no keys tbh So if I see that you have a $1500 coin lying around but you think it's worth $50, I can give you $50 and it'd be alright, because you're pleased since you don't know you got punked?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melusine Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, LSO said: This isn't sharking. Oli was just abiding by bp.tf rules, bot listings can be fake / not accept, and you're just mad you didn't see the discount before he did? If you're experienced enough to find backpack.tf and not figure out how to look at buy orders then he's lucky he didn't just get scammed and get no keys tbh And that's not a discount! That's a god-tier effect on a quickswitch misc! That shit could sell for like 700-800 keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade loves keys Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I'm with Oli here. Nothing wrong with what they did and to be honest, I'd had done the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, Melusine said: And that's not a discount! That's a god-tier effect on a quickswitch misc! That shit could sell for like 700-800 keys please refer to the last part of my comment where he's lucky he didn't just get scammed if he can't check buy orders and figure out 90-200=-110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Melusine said: So if I see that you have a $1500 coin lying around but you think it's worth $50, I can give you $50 and it'd be alright, because you're pleased since you don't know you got punked?? This is my point. Sharking and scamming are also the same thing. It was very obviously an unbalanced trade and oli knew that, but he took advantage of it because hes a profit whore and he doesnt give a fuck about anyone else. "I'm closing comments because people are getting scammed! Stay safe everyone!" in other words, "People are taking advantage of inexperienced traders in my comments! Don't fall for it! Let me do it instead!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, LSO said: This isn't sharking. Oli was just abiding by bp.tf rules, bot listings can be fake / not accept, and you're just mad you didn't see the discount before he did? If you're experienced enough to find backpack.tf and not figure out how to look at buy orders then he's lucky he didn't just get scammed and get no keys tbh I dont care about frostbite. I knew someone was waiting to say that. White lightning looks better. "You're just mad I didnt see the discount before he did" No im upset that he fucking scammed a new user out of 1000's of dollars while having a fucking 47,000 KEY backpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Amattica said: This is called "Sharking" not "Scamming". Knowledge is power. Arm yourself with education. Both shitty moves done by shitty people. Same concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 hours ago, Relic said: Bro this was a legendary snipe from an inexperienced user, what are you talking about ?? Mad profit!! This guy gets it https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/79493-how-to-instantly-make-250-keys-profit-baller-version Seriously though why make a witch-hunt post like this, it's not gonna do anything and I'm positive mods don't care, I've seen them practice book definition market manip themselves lol (ironically you're beloved Erik being one of them :^]) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ He didnt know. Thats the point. The poor guy lost out on 1000's of dollars because he didnt know, but OLI did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 hours ago, LaughingLollipop said: this just in, people who advertise the constant buying of literally anything are pretty much never going to pay a real market price for it truthfully it'd make sense if there was a listing warning if you're under buy orders I can agree with this. I understand it may not sell at 2000 keys, but yes, I do like the idea of a warning if you're under buy orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Breacher said: I get that this might be morally wrong, but you really cant blame him for buying something for buyout, yes he could have paid at least buy orders or smth, but this ain't scamming/sharking by any way mate. Just think of it like, what if someone unboxed and listed it on SCM for 90 keys and he bought from there for buyout. Absolutely 100% morally wrong. And I can blame him and I absolutely will blame him. Its 100% a shark, which in turn, is a scam. "Just think of it like, what if someone unboxed and listed it on SCM for 90 keys and he bought from there for buyout." The difference with that, is you cant get in contact with the seller until after the sale has already been made. With trades, you can send a message in trade offers (thats how I originally got in contact with oli) you can leave a comment on the profile, you can add them and discuss, but with SCM, all you have is a profile picture. Not even a name. Don't get me wrong, if you spend 35 minutes you can probably find the seller, but its easier if you do buy it and contact the seller after and say "Hey, you listed this item for really low, its more of XXXX value." In which case, be a decent human being, and sell it back. Don't profit off someone elses lack of knowledge. This is why I hate trading with profit traders. I really only want to sell to people who are going to enjoy the cosmetic im selling them for reasons like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Very Frank said: Except Oli didn't mislead the seller in any way or form. The seller seems more annoyed by all of you people harassing him for the price he sold it for, judging by his recently privated profile, than the fact he could've gotten more for it. By the book he did not mislead the seller. By normal trading standards, no he did not. I've said it time and time again. Oli took advantage of his lack of knowledge, instead of being a decent person and telling him it was worth way more. Especially considering the buy order was almost 3x the sellers price. "The seller seems more annoyed by all of you people harassing him for the price he sold it for" Yeah he is annoyed. I did get in contact with him and he didnt seem to give a fuck. The point is to bring light to the fact that a 47,000 key inventory just sharked a newer player, and nobody seems to give a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lucyfer Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Magnetic said: if the seller did not check the price of an item and lists it for that much sucks for the seller obviously if the seller did not pricecheck and oli told them it was worth less then that would make oli responsible By the book, yes. But what he did was 100% morally wrong and on the same level as a scammer. Its a grey area and somehow not against the rules. At the very least, the sale price should have matched buy orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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