SPOONKY Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 The crazy key value isnt profitable and doesnt help with the situation,items got more expensive and cheap. The economy will crash in some point and items will lose their value, the solution is getting back the old and profitable price of 30.33-30.44 refs. I hope someone think the same and end the dissaster from the crate depression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Dang Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, SPOONKY said: The economy will crash in some point and items will lose their value you've got a point 30 minutes ago, SPOONKY said: the solution is getting back the old and profitable price of 30.33-30.44 refs. oh god not this again In all seriousness, there's still plenty of profit to be had as soon as you stop thinking in terms of ref and start thinking in terms of money (whether that's SCM or Marketplace, or a combination). In my own experience, it's actually better than ever before, but my view is definitely skewed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 wow this post has an original idea to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keks Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 ngl doe he kinda quirky and is a special snowflake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FP jh34ghu43gu Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Hello I heard someone was complaining about keys going up instead of complaining about ref going down. Allow me to copy paste this from the last post I replied to on a similar topic. Quote https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/68952-key-prices/?tab=comments#comment-612464 https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/68515-keys-are-now-3988-40-ref-ok-then/?tab=comments#comment-610407 https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/69321-alright-wtf-with-the-crazy-increase-keys-are-going-through-rn/?do=findComment&comment=614110 https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/68932-tf2-key-price/ https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/61607-a-dying-economy/?tab=comments#comment-583501 https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/66016-keys-vs-ref/?do=findComment&comment=598905 https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/66812-lower-the-key-price/?do=findComment&comment=602139 https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/56493-are-bots-inflating-the-value-of-keys/?do=findComment&comment=559193 If you don't want to click on those - ref goes down not keys. Tf2 is a $$$ based economy, not a ref one, that uses keys as ~$2 bills. (I know it's closer to $1.75 bills but those don't exist). Ref goes down because it's infinite and doesn't have a reliable sink. 2 hours ago, SPOONKY said: The economy will crash in some point and items will lose their value Of course it will crash, when only 200 people are left trading everything will be worth~ nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adolf Storms Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 omg this 'topic' has been revisited for like 4 years now. tf2 is gonna crash / keys should be 3 ref again .... blah blah blah MOM GET THE CAMERA TF2 TRADING IS DEAD... nope. still isn't after all this time. cashed out over $8k this year alone on 1 account. so no. it's not dead. yes 3rd gens are less desired by traders, but still sellable. people love unusuals so the crate depression only helped people wanting cheaper unusuals. yes, it's harder to make GOBS of profit like the old days. yes, it has become harder. no, this topic doesn't need to be brought up every 6 months. what other game still gets updates after 12 years? that's right. NONE. (edit : 1st person shooter not some twelvie game :P) totally off topic and ending before i puke a lil in my mouth after seeing another one of these 'keys should be xx ref again' posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FP jh34ghu43gu Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Adolf Storms said: what other game still gets updates after 12 years? that's right. NONE. Minecraft would like to have a word with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeps Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 It's basic economics when there's a high supply of ref, with the demand of ref generally being stagnant, the price of ref will go down. The key however has been stable for a while, thus it takes more ref to trade to a bot for a key. TF2's economy is free market driven so we can't really enforce 30 ref per key without valve interference. Backpack's old price suggestion (2 months ago) of 42 ref per key was super outdated to the actual value of ref and doesn't really affect the actual price of ref as everyone was going to sell/buy their keys at 52 ref anyway. Ironically, the crate depression increased the value of ref as people wanted to cash out their keys they got back, effectively Valve accidentally stimulated the economy at the cost of 1st and 3rd gen value- 1st gen's decline was accelerated, 3rd gens got dunked on by Valve. Two months after, we're mostly back to the price before the crate depression at 52 ref ish. Honestly a real ref price decrease is stalled right now because of transmutes and after Halloween is over, it will probably go up to 60 ref per key until the next major update. As for the economy crashing, yeah it's gna happen eventually with how valve is with updates. People trade to get cool stuff in the game and when there isn't constant new cool stuff in the game like fOrtNiTe or any other game, people will eventually leave without new shiny cool things to keep them attached. Less people trading means a weaker economy due to lower cash flow. It's a hard to swallow truth but Valve employees would rather work on other projects (VR sounds cooler than a 12 year old game) than the spaghetti that is TF2. There's no real solution to getting TF2 back to it's "glory days" other than pray that valve does something to stimulate player growth back to what it used to be or hope that TF2 gets revived like Minecraft with growing interest somehow (like pewdiepie playing TF2 or something). Bottom line is, enjoy the game while it lasts. If you missed out on the crate depression's cheap unusuals, you can still get nice 3rd gens (DBD/C9/Miami) for like half the price they used to be. If you haven't spent money before, might as well sacrifice a key to our lord and saviour Gaben and you can essentially get full sets for each of your classes for $1.8 nowadays. If you're looking to profit, it's going to take a while depending on how you go about it. TF2 isn't supposed to be a job after all and any profit is "beer money" but it's still very possible to go from 1 key to unusual if you're really going for it and smart about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adolf Storms Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, FP jh34ghu43gu said: Minecraft would like to have a word with you. 10 y/o... possibly 10 y/o reply not 12-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 guys I'm buying keys for 2.33 refined each. (I know they are worth more right now... Just doing my part in controlling the key price problem!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balimore Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Adolf Storms said: what other game still gets updates after 12 years? that's right. NONE. Everquest is 20 years old and is getting a new xpac in December as well as monthly patches and wow has been around awhile aswell so youre misinformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appah Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Come one guys, he only wants keys to be 3 ref again so he can buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan coke Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Adolf Storms said: omg this 'topic' has been revisited for like 4 years now. tf2 is gonna crash / keys should be 3 ref again .... blah blah blah MOM GET THE CAMERA TF2 TRADING IS DEAD... nope. still isn't after all this time. cashed out over $8k this year alone on 1 account. so no. it's not dead. yes 3rd gens are less desired by traders, but still sellable. people love unusuals so the crate depression only helped people wanting cheaper unusuals. yes, it's harder to make GOBS of profit like the old days. yes, it has become harder. no, this topic doesn't need to be brought up every 6 months. what other game still gets updates after 12 years? that's right. NONE. (edit : 1st person shooter not some twelvie game :P) totally off topic and ending before i puke a lil in my mouth after seeing another one of these 'keys should be xx ref again' posts Amazingly put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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