aSmallGreenDot Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 8 hours ago, AJ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said: overall market value for key will never supercede the price that mannco ingame store cells it for you clearly have no concept of the value of the key, it's dropping, big wow sites like https://keyvendor.net/ literally sell them for 1.45 bucks per pop, ooof tf2 economy dying big scary, not surprising finally, the key to ref ratio is merely the game having no ref sink, tehda Is that site safe and reliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. o.g. Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 most metal deleted hat of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adolf Storms Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 We are sorry to inform you that this thread has violated the terms of user agreement you made with your brain. Please turn your brain on and close this thread. Sincerely, Your last 2 brain cells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED265 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 As an economics graduate, I read the sheer idiocy of it and nearly cried like Sheldon did for stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speshimen Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, Adolf Storms said: We are sorry to inform you that this thread has violated the terms of user agreement you made with your brain. Please turn your brain on and close this thread. Sincerely, Your last 2 brain cells This is so sad,can we have 50 scraps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaser Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Again just like every mindless human being that ever said about the economy is dying, you probably need some proper education of the basics of an economy. Might as well just leave and not complain about this lmfao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pupu Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 This is so stupid thread, Alexa play despasito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielDee Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Think the OP must of been on some sort of drugs when they wrote there illogical rant. The price of ref and keys are directly linked. There was a guy about 3 years ago who posted all the equations regarding the prices and the influence of farming altsLooks like his website is no longer up. Although i cannot remember the URL.. or seem to find it in the forums. It was a domain called key.tf but looks like its parked now. Keys are 1.99 in mann co store. Refined Price according to backpack is 0.04. Keys are valued at 45 ref so.... 0.04 x 45 = 1.9 So there is only 0.09 difference from the mann co store and the backpack price. What is the issue with a .09 variance..... Op clearly took a bad batch of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solpan Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Learn to stop worrying and love the Economy. Key-ref ratio has always been questionable. Moreover all new items are marketable so you don't need ref to get stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajdislikesyournamingpolicy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 9 hours ago, aSmallGreenDot said: Is that site safe and reliable? Very, I've purchased 500$ worth of keys of them using btc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSmallGreenDot Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, AJ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said: Very, I've purchased 500$ worth of keys of them using btc Cool, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenSakura Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Lmao, keys are stable, they will always be 2.50. Nothing's going to happen, this isn't world economics, and even if prices do crash, so what? no one cares, not much is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceboy Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I think a lot of it is just resellers pushing the price up arbitrarily. It's easy as pie for one buyer and one seller to make a listing 1 scrap higher, and then everyone else follows suit. It happens frequently, and I don't think anyone is using a calculator to figure out when to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoranoGuardias Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 17 hours ago, DanielDee said: Think the OP must of been on some sort of drugs when they wrote there illogical rant. The price of ref and keys are directly linked. There was a guy about 3 years ago who posted all the equations regarding the prices and the influence of farming altsLooks like his website is no longer up. Although i cannot remember the URL.. or seem to find it in the forums. It was a domain called key.tf but looks like its parked now. Keys are 1.99 in mann co store. Refined Price according to backpack is 0.04. Keys are valued at 45 ref so.... 0.04 x 45 = 1.9 So there is only 0.09 difference from the mann co store and the backpack price. What is the issue with a .09 variance..... Op clearly took a bad batch of something. My argument boils down to if Keys = 45 refined, were is the corresponding value in total inventory? Total inventory value of metal (5.5M x 0.04 = $220K) vs total inventory value of keys (1.1M x 1.6~2.2 = $1.76M~$2.66M) which makes the equivalent value discrepancy between 800-1200%. So essentially the resounding rebuttal is the equivalent value we are considering essential is whatever we want at will, a la fiat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quesamo Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Mew2! said: Lmao, keys are stable, they will always be 2.50. Nothing's going to happen, this isn't world economics, and even if prices do crash, so what? no one cares, not much is going to happen. No one counts keys as 2.50$. That's the Mann co store price, which is the same place where a bison is 8$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokky Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Quesamo said: No one counts keys as 2.50$. That's the Mann co store price, which is the same place where a bison is 8$ That’s because the regular Mann co keys are pretty useless and there’s so many of them. Nothing notable to unbox from the applicable crates. new update keys like the violet vermin key always get bought from the Mann co store and valued at more than a key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoranoGuardias Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 tHe vaLues of the TraDINg maRKet aRe Based oN KEEEYYYYSSSS. *REF loses 1/2 of a cent in value on pricing suggestions (due to third-party site influence) and my backpack drops in value by $45* Again. Your act upvoting the REF equivalency of keys whilst simultaneously upvoting the depression in price of REF is what's going to kill this whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obama llama Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 hours ago, SoranoGuardias said: *REF loses 1/2 of a cent in value on pricing suggestions (due to third-party site influence) and my backpack drops in value by $45* Your backpack value hasnt changed because 1 website changed the metric it uses to estimate your bp value lol. Thats not how any of this works. guys there are 16 nuts and bolts dread knots and theyre $16 each. Thats a total of $752. Thats a bit disproportionate to the total value of keys dont you think? They really should be worth $125k each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoranoGuardias Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Obama llama said: Your backpack value hasnt changed because 1 website changed the metric it uses to estimate your bp value lol. Thats not how any of this works. guys there are 16 nuts and bolts dread knots and theyre $16 each. Thats a total of $752. Thats a bit disproportionate to the total value of keys dont you think? They really should be worth $125k each Except that is exactly what happened. The suggestion that was upvoted and approved listed IN THE REASONING that the price of REF should change because another site is selling it for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obama llama Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, SoranoGuardias said: Except that is exactly what happened. The suggestion that was upvoted and approved listed IN THE REASONING that the price of REF should change because another site is selling it for less. your BP value has nothing to do with how much backpack.tf estimates your BP value to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoranoGuardias Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Again incorrect. Backpack.tf is the defacto trading resource for users who want to use something other than the community market on Steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obama llama Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 ever heard the term bible.tf? You are a prime example Things are worth what people will buy them for, not what some random website dictates the prices are. Lots of items in my backpack are incorrectly valued on this website. Dont get all your information from a single website Please never get into any financial work in the real world. Its for your own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyOnion Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 ah yes... classic "pyro is op", "TF2 is dead" or "omg key prices are 1 scrap higher economy rip" thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teztagu Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Hate to be the guy but I agree with this dude, having been in this economy since 2012, I'm not seeing a bright future for trading. What I see is a lot of people on a high speed train heading for a wall, but instead of attempting to stop the train, they're just denying that there is a wall ahead of them, and it will be perfectly fine. I was in this train as well, and then my backpack went down 200 dollars and I sold all of my stuff. No stable and healthy economy sees that much fluctuation fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flirganovski Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Honestly i dont care about refined metal and i only use them when i need to add them for some item, only keys are important for me. Inventory value in refined metal is useless! Thats just backpack.tf method. Please stop with nonsense "everything is dying", every day here posts about dying economy and that kind of things. If you cant buy some keys and start like a man then just quit, forget about from REF to 10000000000 keys! That wont happen! This is like every economy: if you want profit you need to invest some money (at least 15-20 keys) and time, put big effort then you will see the results. Crying about dead game and economy is just a waste of time. No offense but this is my honest opinion. Please stop with posts like this, enonomy is fine if you dont like just quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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