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I've been trying to read and watch unusual trading guides, but all of them are 1-2 years old and I can't tell if they are still efficient in the trading economy.

Can someone teach me how things work now? How much keys do I need to have? What to look for and how to make profit...

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try pyrojoe's guide.his one is somewhat up to date.apart from that,you should try and put in about 20 keyish if you're wanting to profit some items.altho 20 keys is quite alot but lower than that dont give you good-looking unusuals.in fact you can afford an unusual with just 2 KEYS!ofc its a taunt but dont do it.i dont recommend you to do unusual trading too early.try buying some nice hats or strange hats/misc.buy prof ks aussies like a black box (goes about 17 keyish)get a good combo on the prof ks like team shine+fire horns. try out spelled item trading

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3 hours ago, NeoXenoZ said:

I've been trying to read and watch unusual trading guides, but all of them are 1-2 years old and I can't tell if they are still efficient in the trading economy.

Can someone teach me how things work now? How much keys do I need to have? What to look for and how to make profit...

Honestly, theres no actual guides that teach you how to do it, most youtubers glorify it as the kind of thing where you buy a good quicksell, list it and someone gives you a good offer, they dont go into the 90% of stuff thats important ie market analysis, negotiation, when to dump a hat, when a hats underpriced/overpriced ect. Honestly the best way to figure out how things work is by doing them. I started in around septemberish 2017. My first unusual i made around 6 keys off and i thought "wow this is easy, ill be rich in no time". I proceeded to lose 5 keys on my next 5 hats (1 key each roughly), but i kept going, learning from my mistakes and figuring out what sells and what doesn't, how to negotiate ect. Theres many trading styles and different traders have different ones. I myself found that i like quickbuying and requickselling hats, im rather impatient and i dont like sitting on items for a long time so that style suits me, my trading style is about flipping hats, not maximizing profit. Then theres the polar opposite, people who just sit on hats till someone whos very interested gives them an unrefusable offer. Theres many trading styles in between also. It's really just about finding what suits you by trial and error and going with that, and doing it with confidence. I would probably say that i was a horrible trader up until december 2017. I was way too impatient, ready to take a loss just to get pure, which many new traders will do, and they get taken advantage of due to their desperateness for keys. Taking losses is something that should be avoided at all costs, at worst try and break even/profit a small amount and move on. If you find something sells well, try and buy it again as its likely an easy sell. If you find something hard to sell, probably avoid it unless you get a good deal on it, as its likely a hard sell. To end this, id like to say that nobody can truly tell you how to trade, every trade is different in its own unique way, and thats the beauty of trading, everyone has their own way of doing it.

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Here's a guide

 

- buy low sell high

- make unusual suggestions to know whats good and what's bad. 

- use bp.tf discord. Alot of people who know how to trade well there. 

- pure is king. pure is king people crave it.

- if there are multiple buyorders on a hat near BP price it's probably a good hat/underpriced. 

- promote items on different platforms. Advertise wherever you can

- make yourself known. Build a reputation for yourself. Advertise yourself so people come to you. 

-30% off is a trap if the unusual is underpriced or is really good it's fine to buy it at 10-20% off. If it sucks then sometimes it's ok to ask for more than 50% off. Just let them know you don't really want it before hand so they don't instablock you. 

- backpack.tf is not a bible. Don't blindly follow. Learn the market.

 

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9 hours ago, Torb | Elite Spell Trader™ said:

Honestly, theres no actual guides that teach you how to do it, most youtubers glorify it as the kind of thing where you buy a good quicksell, list it and someone gives you a good offer, they dont go into the 90% of stuff thats important ie market analysis, negotiation, when to dump a hat, when a hats underpriced/overpriced ect. Honestly the best way to figure out how things work is by doing them. I started in around septemberish 2017. My first unusual i made around 6 keys off and i thought "wow this is easy, ill be rich in no time". I proceeded to lose 5 keys on my next 5 hats (1 key each roughly), but i kept going, learning from my mistakes and figuring out what sells and what doesn't, how to negotiate ect. Theres many trading styles and different traders have different ones. I myself found that i like quickbuying and requickselling hats, im rather impatient and i dont like sitting on items for a long time so that style suits me, my trading style is about flipping hats, not maximizing profit. Then theres the polar opposite, people who just sit on hats till someone whos very interested gives them an unrefusable offer. Theres many trading styles in between also. It's really just about finding what suits you by trial and error and going with that, and doing it with confidence. I would probably say that i was a horrible trader up until december 2017. I was way too impatient, ready to take a loss just to get pure, which many new traders will do, and they get taken advantage of due to their desperateness for keys. Taking losses is something that should be avoided at all costs, at worst try and break even/profit a small amount and move on. If you find something sells well, try and buy it again as its likely an easy sell. If you find something hard to sell, probably avoid it unless you get a good deal on it, as its likely a hard sell. To end this, id like to say that nobody can truly tell you how to trade, every trade is different in its own unique way, and thats the beauty of trading, everyone has their own way of doing it.

Preach

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16 hours ago, Torb | Elite Spell Trader™ said:

Go read it yourself.

 

Yeah, I totally agree on the last point about trading styles; you just have to adapt and find the one that most suits not only YOURSELF, but the ITEM you're selling as well. If you get your hands on a great deal, and you want to sell it but realize it's a cancer hat; you can choose to either sell it as the most amazing hat in the world or downgrade it or requicksell it. There's plenty of avenues for every item, and I think that when you trade unusuals, over time you'll realize that some avenues fit certain items better than others, and also even some prices. Once you get yourself into the nitty-gritty of it and start doing analysises and percentages of profit and stuff; that's when you're on the right track.

 

Go get im' tiger.

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17 hours ago, Kimika-chan said:

Here's a guide

 

- buy low sell high

- make unusual suggestions to know whats good and what's bad. 

- use bp.tf discord. Alot of people who know how to trade well there. 

- pure is king. pure is king people crave it.

- if there are multiple buyorders on a hat near BP price it's probably a good hat/underpriced. 

- promote items on different platforms. Advertise wherever you can

- make yourself known. Build a reputation for yourself. Advertise yourself so people come to you. 

-30% off is a trap if the unusual is underpriced or is really good it's fine to buy it at 10-20% off. If it sucks then sometimes it's ok to ask for more than 50% off. Just let them know you don't really want it before hand so they don't instablock you. 

- backpack.tf is not a bible. Don't blindly follow. Learn the market.

 

tf2 economy is changing faster than this site can keep up with...

i would suggest more moderators for this site, and maybe bots that insta-accept price suggestions that are at least 70% upvoted

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2 hours ago, Mew2! said:

tf2 economy is changing faster than this site can keep up with...

i would suggest more moderators for this site, and maybe bots that insta-accept price suggestions that are at least 70% upvoted

More moderators is good yes, but auto accept price suggestions with 70% upvoted would be dumb, most ones that get accepted have 95% or more up. A bot cant account for human error. Furthermore, bptf isnt a bible that you follow to its exact word. Its there as a base guideline for prices, however its up to you to determine if the bptf pricing is too low, too high or just right, thats a skill of trading

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13 hours ago, Torb | Elite Spell Trader™ said:

More moderators is good yes, but auto accept price suggestions with 70% upvoted would be dumb, most ones that get accepted have 95% or more up. A bot cant account for human error. Furthermore, bptf isnt a bible that you follow to its exact word. Its there as a base guideline for prices, however its up to you to determine if the bptf pricing is too low, too high or just right, thats a skill of trading

 did i mention that i'm pretty bad at trading.

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15 hours ago, Torb | Elite Spell Trader™ said:

More moderators is good yes, but auto accept price suggestions with 70% upvoted would be dumb, most ones that get accepted have 95% or more up. A bot cant account for human error. Furthermore, bptf isnt a bible that you follow to its exact word. Its there as a base guideline for prices, however its up to you to determine if the bptf pricing is too low, too high or just right, thats a skill of trading

Yeah, take this suggestion for example: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5b48787c44325a551b721f31#comment-5b489c0bcf6c7543e309764e 

It had 91% upvotes, but I felt like it was too low. So I checked the trade and saw the he overlooked a valuable item. If a bot had accepted that it would be missing half of it‘s value. 

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On 7/15/2018 at 1:00 PM, Torb | Elite Spell Trader™ said:

Honestly, theres no actual guides that teach you how to do it, most youtubers glorify it as the kind of thing where you buy a good quicksell, list it and someone gives you a good offer, they dont go into the 90% of stuff thats important ie market analysis, negotiation, when to dump a hat, when a hats underpriced/overpriced ect. Honestly the best way to figure out how things work is by doing them. I started in around septemberish 2017. My first unusual i made around 6 keys off and i thought "wow this is easy, ill be rich in no time". I proceeded to lose 5 keys on my next 5 hats (1 key each roughly), but i kept going, learning from my mistakes and figuring out what sells and what doesn't, how to negotiate ect. Theres many trading styles and different traders have different ones. I myself found that i like quickbuying and requickselling hats, im rather impatient and i dont like sitting on items for a long time so that style suits me, my trading style is about flipping hats, not maximizing profit. Then theres the polar opposite, people who just sit on hats till someone whos very interested gives them an unrefusable offer. Theres many trading styles in between also. It's really just about finding what suits you by trial and error and going with that, and doing it with confidence. I would probably say that i was a horrible trader up until december 2017. I was way too impatient, ready to take a loss just to get pure, which many new traders will do, and they get taken advantage of due to their desperateness for keys. Taking losses is something that should be avoided at all costs, at worst try and break even/profit a small amount and move on. If you find something sells well, try and buy it again as its likely an easy sell. If you find something hard to sell, probably avoid it unless you get a good deal on it, as its likely a hard sell. To end this, id like to say that nobody can truly tell you how to trade, every trade is different in its own unique way, and thats the beauty of trading, everyone has their own way of doing it.

 

For once torb, you actually took time to explain it in a single post. Now I believe and listen to you

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9 minutes ago, NeoXenoZ said:

 

For once torb, you actually took time to explain it in a single post. Now I believe and listen to you

Gonna add onto my initial post and talk about quicksells specifically. The first and foremost thing that people for some reason still believe in and think is true is that if its not 25%+ off its a bad deal. Discount % doesn't matter as its all relevant to the hat. Some hats like for example a haunted ghost rifleman, 50% will be bad. Some hats 25% will be good yes, but its a shoe that doesn't fit everything. Some hats 10-15% will be really good for it, and some paying bptf price in pure for it will be a good deal. I've bought plenty of hats for 15-0% discount and made alot of profit from them. With quickbuying and requickselling, people think you lose profit in it. Say for example i buy a 30 key hat for 20 keys and i sell it for 22 keys. Some people will argue "oh you lost 8 keys" but in reality i went from 20 pure keys to 22 keys, so i profited 2 keys. For that style of trading, i think of it as pure input and pure output. If i put in 20 keys, anything above that is profit, and i almost ignore bptf pricing.

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8 minutes ago, Torb | Elite Spell Trader™ said:

Gonna add onto my initial post and talk about quicksells specifically. The first and foremost thing that people for some reason still believe in and think is true is that if its not 25%+ off its a bad deal. Discount % doesn't matter as its all relevant to the hat. Some hats like for example a haunted ghost rifleman, 50% will be bad. Some hats 25% will be good yes, but its a shoe that doesn't fit everything. Some hats 10-15% will be really good for it, and some paying bptf price in pure for it will be a good deal. I've bought plenty of hats for 15-0% discount and made alot of profit from them. With quickbuying and requickselling, people think you lose profit in it. Say for example i buy a 30 key hat for 20 keys and i sell it for 22 keys. Some people will argue "oh you lost 8 keys" but in reality i went from 20 pure keys to 22 keys, so i profited 2 keys. For that style of trading, i think of it as pure input and pure output. If i put in 20 keys, anything above that is profit, and i almost ignore bptf pricing.

 

 If there is profit to be made even it's small, it is still profit and you didn't lose anything.

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