Charmin Ultra Soft Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 It seems now to be common on outpost to hate on all new effects robo to Halloween even though the effects are a lot more visible and in my opinion a lot better. I really don't understand I mean I would take terror watt over massed flies or blizzardy storm any day I mean let's face it a lot of the old effects weren't really that great I mean a cloud really I can't find that to be better than a bat with bright green fire flying around your hat. Anyway would love to get the opinion of why there is all this hate on the new effects and why they should be priced more or less.
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 With the exception of: Roboactive, Antifreeze, Time Warp, Green Black Hole Disco, Miami (kind of), Cloud 9 the new effects are generally regarded as crap. Halloween effects are a bit different since halloween effects are visible and rare; but as a general rule not super well-liked. The new effects are also being unboxed like mad; a lot of the 2013 effects are almost in double-digit territory already and they're not even 6 months old.
sanny Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 It seems now to be common on outpost to hate on all new effects Outpost hates everything.
F CHARLIE Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 It seems now to be common on outpost to hate on all new effects robo to Halloween even though the effects are a lot more visible and in my opinion a lot better. I really don't understand I mean I would take terror watt over massed flies or blizzardy storm any day I mean let's face it a lot of the old effects weren't really that great I mean a cloud really I can't find that to be better than a bat with bright green fire flying around your hat. Anyway would love to get the opinion of why there is all this hate on the new effects and why they should be priced more or less. Don't worry, no one wants blizz. The hate stems from the time these were introduced and many trader's over invested and found themselves with sinking effects. Sinking is relative ofcourse. These effects are very good but have unreliable values. Right now all people want is Gen 1 effects. They are rare but I imo part of thier demand is because so many other effects loose value. All of the Gen 2 stuff is in the crapper and Gen 3 is very common atm. Eventually Gen 3 will do better and Gen 2 will still be crap. Gen 1 will always have value. I am very please with Gen 3, Robo and 2013 Halloween effects myself and I think previous Halloween effects are pure trash except Harvest which is ok. Robo effects are ugly Robo > Gen 2 With the exception of: Roboactive, Antifreeze, Time Warp, Green Black Hole Disco, Miami (kind of), Cloud 9 the new effects are generally regarded as crap. Halloween effects are a bit different since halloween effects are visible and rare; but as a general rule not super well-liked. The new effects are also being unboxed like mad; a lot of the 2013 effects are almost in double-digit territory already and they're not even 6 months old. One of the reasons they are being unboxed in such high quantity is that Valves crate strategy has been very good since Gen 3 was released. Edit: It would be interesting if Valve introduced Gen 4 this year with only 4 - 6 new effects and obviously discontinued Gen 3. How would the market change its perspectives.
♠Derpeh♤ Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 It's not really hate imo the first people who bought the newer unusuals bought them for a highly inflated price held on them to long, price dropped as hype slowed and are then stuck with them refusing to sell for lower and so is seen as cancer.
Liddojunior Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 There isn't hate on them. Plenty of the people who don't accept them or bother with them being offered to them, like the effects. The thing is they have terrible resell value on top of the possibility there will be more of them. I expect more of these to be around later on this year since the jump from the # of 1st gen to 2nd gen is large, can only expect the same for 3rd gen. They don't sell in a reasonable amount of time and don't get many offers on them, why accept an offer where you're worse off. So people don't want them being offered.
Julia Gillard the Honest Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 You chose very specific examples. Consider Purple Energy with a newer effect. It's at least as noticeable but also much rarer.
F CHARLIE Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 You chose very specific examples. Consider Purple Energy with a newer effect. It's at least as noticeable but also much rarer. The energies are generally inferior to the better new effects and harder to get. Many people are not interested in getting into a bidding war for these things. Screw that, just go get a sweet looking newer hat and enjoy it.
Python. Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Dude, I like Aces High. Stop the Hate, Plox DP > AH
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 I am very please with Gen 3, Robo and 2013 Halloween effects myself and I think previous Halloween effects are pure trash except Harvest which is ok. Most of the robos are crap (unanimous opinion); and no one really likes the watts or aces. Cloudy > Harvest; all day, everyday. Roboactive > Antifreeze. There, I said it. I kinda of agree; i like the color of roboactive better, but anti-freeze for some reason has a better motion. The energies are generally inferior to the better new effects and harder to get. Many people are not interested in getting into a bidding war for these things. Screw that, just go get a sweet looking newer hat and enjoy it. Energy is awesome.... Scorching > Energies > Burning > Time Warp/GBH > Hearts > Beams > Ghosts.
Mr Prince Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 DP > AH I think both depend on what hat the effect is on due theme.
F CHARLIE Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Most of the robos are crap (unanimous opinion); and no one really likes the watts or aces. Cloudy > Harvest; all day, everyday. I kinda of agree; i like the color of roboactive better, but anti-freeze for some reason has a better motion. Energy is awesome.... Scorching > Energies > Burning > Time Warp/GBH > Hearts > Beams > Ghosts. This is my opinion and I don't care what other traders unanimously think (Overclocked is the worst effect in the game tho). I will take Phos/Sulph over Beams/Plasma although Beams/Plasma is great for Spy. As far as trading goes I will always weigh 1st gen stuff well because of supposed resell value but I don't care for them that much personally. I have had a few and am NOT impressed. Energies, plasma's included. The only older effects I like are Burning/Scorching and I don't care to pay the price so they are meaningless to me. The moon thing is my opinion also. They pretty much look like a weather effect from any distance but people like them.
Woifi The Viking Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 You can't quicksell halloween or 3rd gen effects anything close to 1st and maybe 2nd gen effects. It's often enough to go 0.5-1 bud below market value for 1st gen effects to sell it fast, but you have to go like 2-3 buds or even more below market value on 3rd gen and halloween effects to get rid of them (on ~6-10 bud hats).
F CHARLIE Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 You can't quicksell halloween or 3rd gen effects anything close to 1st and maybe 2nd gen effects. It's often enough to go 0.5-1 bud below market value for 1st gen effects to sell it fast, but you have to go like 2-3 buds or even more below market value on 3rd gen and halloween effects to get rid of them (on ~6-10 bud hats). I accept what all of you are saying but he asked "why the hate" and I gave what I believe is an accurate answer. At one time Gen 2 were the effects to have but they aren't and won't be (so numerous and soooooo bad). I still believe some portion of the DEMAND for Gen 1 is a buyers concern over the stability of other effects. When post Gen 2 effects find thier bottom price (which is happening now), there is no reason that would stop someone from buying those hats (Imagine this example: paying 18 keys for C9 Hat with no name). At that time the buyer/traders who are concerned about resale will switch to less expensive yet reliable hats. Prices will rise for post Gen 2. I would like someone to address the the question about if Valve made Gen 4 in this summer event. That seems very plausible to do. I would. Gen 2 showes me its a bad idea to let a Gen hang around too long.
A Random Chilean Guy Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Actually i like RoboEffects, actually the expensive ones are the ugilest ones like Scorching Flames and Harvest Moon are totally overrated,especially Scorching (Because people have to own a Burning-eyes,Vomitive and Sight insult Lime painted set to match the effect).
MC22 Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Actually i like RoboEffects, actually the expensive ones are the ugilest ones like Scorching Flames and Harvest Moon are totally overrated,especially Scorching (Because people have to own a Burning-eyes,Vomitive and Sight insult Lime painted set to match the effect).What did you say
Woifi The Viking Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Actually i like RoboEffects, actually the expensive ones are the ugilest ones like Scorching Flames and Harvest Moon are totally overrated,especially Scorching (Because people have to own a Burning-eyes,Vomitive and Sight insult Lime painted set to match the effect). The 50+ lime cosmetics in my backpack and the 25+ different scorching unusuals I owned are crying. :'(
tangram § Xen domU Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Actually i like RoboEffects, actually the expensive ones are the ugilest ones like Scorching Flames and Harvest Moon are totally overrated,especially Scorching (Because people have to own a Burning-eyes,Vomitive and Sight insult Lime painted set to match the effect). Bah! Didn't you get the memo? Scorching Flames is the sexiest effect
Heated Bread Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Actually i like RoboEffects, actually the expensive ones are the ugilest ones like Scorching Flames and Harvest Moon are totally overrated,especially Scorching (Because people have to own a Burning-eyes,Vomitive and Sight insult Lime painted set to match the effect). Yeah. Scorching is a bit of a gaudy eyesore.
F CHARLIE Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Yeah. Scorching is a bit of a gaudy eyesore. I think the other way. Burning is the gaudy one.
A Random Chilean Guy Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 The 50+ lime cosmetics in my backpack and the 25+ different scorching unusuals I owned are crying. :'( Have you go to a ophthalmologist? Bah! Didn't you get the memo? Scorching Flames is the sexiest effect Sexy is some hats,but most are mistakes of GabeN or simply are not thematic. I think the other way. Burning is the gaudy one. Burning is easy to be "thematizied",but only in weird Science shows or Supernatural Animes you see green fire.
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