Champion 172 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Well, after a recent update, all the craft # values have been removed. This is a real pain, especially when people only look at the price tag and use the prices at backpack.tf as a bible. I have a #28 Das Fantzipantzen that WAS worth 9.3 keys which I bought for roughly around 7 mixed, so I'm trying to buy a painted Bill's with my #28 + sweets. Some of the people agree to my offer, just as we're about to trade they would ask for my backpack link; they look at my #28 and say it's only worth 2 ref. I don't know how many times I facepalmed, but now since there's no craft values on backpack.tf, people will possibly never agree to a deal. It's kinda annoying honestly, I'm pretty sure there are others as well that are facing the same problem as I am. Feedback is greatly appreciated, Chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Low crafts were absurd overpriced though. No one would ever give you 9.3 keys for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingkip Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I can assure you your fanzi never around 9.3 keys, probably more like 4. There were far more people getting sharked for some "very valuable" # for their unusual than will probably get sharked out of their # for the regular hat price. So it's a choice between two bad things, with Brad (and me and nearly everybody) thinking the first is far worse than the latter. So the # value was removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The problem is, your item was never really worth 9.3 keys to begin with. Those prices were horribly inaccurate and there was simply no way of getting somewhat accurate values with an automatic system so it was removed completely as mentioned in the update notes. Those people who offer you 2 ref are not the kind of buyer you are looking for, you have to wait for a collector. You might not be able to get what you paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corillo Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Agree with the two (/edit three) guys above, old prices were terrible. But well, i just got an offer of 2 ref on my low # duckling.'2 ref ducks backpack.tf?' i don't think current solution should be final, i'd still be looking for a note or so saying the item is worth more than the regular version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion 172 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Thanks for your replies, but can't we get some sort of price? :l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingkip Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Agree with the two (/edit three) guys above, old prices were terrible. But well, i just got an offer of 2 ref on my low # duckling. '2 ref ducks backpack.tf?' i don't think current solution should be final, i'd still be looking for a note or so saying the item is worth more than the regular version. there is such a note http://puu.sh/6imx3.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corillo Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 there is such a note http://puu.sh/6imx3.png Didn't even notice that, maybe because i personally prefer browsing backpacks through outpost. Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion 172 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 there is such a note http://puu.sh/6imx3.png The problem is sometimes people hardly care even if that note is there, but I'll try to see if I can find a sensible buyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan T-Rex Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You're allowed to sell it for however much you want. its not guaranteed that it will sell for that much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Thanks for your replies, but can't we get some sort of price? :l the problem is that no algorithm will predict prices accurately enough. i.e. a #28 modest will be a lot more then a #28 fantzi; so the algorithm would need to account for: Age of the item Normal value (demand) of the item 100 different numbers If you want to bookmark and keep track of every single craft number and create a comprehensive list of what every craft number has sold for; including craft #s from all the various updates and through all the various craft #s that exist (1-100, or at least general ranges and the special #s) then i'm sure there wouldn't be a problem putting prices back. BUT, without a detailed "study" into all craft #s theres really no way to put a price on them; and the old price algorithm (for the most part overvalued Craft #s and Odd-level'd vintages by two). But as others have said, a lot of people were just linking newer traders a backpack.tf link showing that the Craft# (that they likely paid around 3-4 keys for) was worth 9+ keys; and then these new traders would get stuck with this craft #, which if they were lucky, would sell in 5 months to another new trader who didn't know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion 172 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Well, turns out I sold my craft # and 2 keys for a Black Bill's. Pretty much lost profit there, but I'll never deal with craft #s unless they're #10 and below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Well, turns out I sold my craft # and 2 keys for a Black Bill's. Pretty much lost profit there, but I'll never deal with craft #s unless they're #10 and below Well, selling craft #'s is a pain; but most tend to go for around 4 keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacustjack Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The craft numbers were always inaccurate, some underpriced and some overpriced, like your fanzi. What about Mattie's #1 tc? I doubt it was only "2 buds" I think craft #s should be able to have suggestions of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1HP Hope Springs Eternal Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The craft numbers were always inaccurate, some underpriced and some overpriced, like your fanzi. What about Mattie's #1 tc? I doubt it was only "2 buds" I think craft #s should be able to have suggestions of themselves. So we could have the whole front page flooded with pointless craft # suggestions from people farming rep? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The craft numbers were always inaccurate, some underpriced and some overpriced, like your fanzi. What about Mattie's #1 tc? I doubt it was only "2 buds" I think craft #s should be able to have suggestions of themselves. I'd agree with the suggestion part; HOWEVER, you really would end up with too many suggestions considering the shear number of craft numbers and how infrequently their on the market. It would just be a mess. And because of how infrequently they're traded, kind of unnecessary. The best thing would be to: Creat a massive list of all craft numbers and all sales from now onward and create an accurate algorithm. Remove the price on Craft #s altogether; so no longer list it as 2 Ref, just list it as a "rare craft" in place of value or list it as "market price" or something like that. And the #1 tc is a LOT more. Like 2 years ago, #28~ was going for around 8 buds, I'm not sure exactly what its doing now; but craft #s are really dependent on the age of the hat more then anything else; so you'd need to have a different algorithm for each update/group of updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Random Chilean Guy Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Well cuz of this i gonna to collect #1810 in some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC22 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Say you hate bp.tf and its prices then. There are plenty of those people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherChigga #Mack Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I'd say make normal ones 3-4 keyish. Then have special #s have different prices, like 2 for #1s. And have a note after the price saying "This item may be worth more or less than the amount stated depending on how high/low it's craft # is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seminal Inhalation Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 If they should bring it back then we should be able to vote for prices on individual craft #'s. The normal prices for all the craft #'s were either incredibly overpriced or horrifically low. Guesstimates are very bad for the community and people end up unknowingly sharking each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 If they should bring it back then we should be able to vote for prices on individual craft #'s. The normal prices for all the craft #'s were either incredibly overpriced or horrifically low. Guesstimates are very bad for the community and people end up unknowingly sharking each other. Well, as a general rule; 4 keys is a fair estimate for most crafts (>10 and excluding old hats). But i agree; no price is the best option, unless someone plans on building a huge spreadsheet consisting of hundreds of craft # sales including all craft numbers for 1-100; and on a wide variety of hats (a representative amount)....so like 30+ hats (i.e. something that is hugely impractical and never going to happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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