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Poll - New parts/paint multipliers

Parts/Paint Multipliers  

52 members have voted

  1. 1. Parts Multiplier

    • 10%
      21
    • 15%
      12
    • 20%
      6
    • 25%
      6
    • 30%
      4
    • 50% (current)
      3
  2. 2. Paint Multiplier

    • 10%
      10
    • 15%
      13
    • 20%
      17
    • 25%
      5
    • 30%
      5
    • 50% (current)
      2


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We're looking to change the part/paint multipliers, as 50% is and has been incredibly inaccurate for too long. After some internal discussion we thought it was best to create a poll, to let the community have a say too.

 

Changes will be live in a few days.

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Julia

I feel it should be 0% for both and that people should decide for themselves how much the paint/parts add in value.

 

But if I had to pick a percentage that I generally use in trading it'd be 20% for paint and 10% for parts.

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Knurr

First of all - include an information that these are only suggested values and should not be used as an axiom when trying to price parted or painted items.

 

Because there ale many people, who follow backpack.tf blindly, and do not realise that this site does NOT set the prices autonomatically, and rather is just a sale tracker to show what estimated price was paid for given items.

 

 

I think such information should be shown in any visible place on this site, but that's completely BTW.

 

On topic: I'd give something like 15% for both options.

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cares

First of all - include an information that these are only suggested values and should not be used as an axiom when trying to price parted or painted items.

 

Because there ale many people, who follow backpack.tf blindly, and do not realise that this site does NOT set the prices autonomatically, and rather is just a sale tracker to show what estimated price was paid for given items.

 

 

I think such information should be shown in any visible place on this site, but that's completely BTW.

 

On topic: I'd give something like 15% for both options.

 

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Erik

It kind of depends on which paint. People usually tend to pay more for lime/pink/black/white than for other paints. But I think 20% for paints and 15% for parts should work.

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Pyotoru

I think that changing anything at this point is a bit stupid and will lead only to chaos and confusion. People, who trades a lot, already knows that almost nobody pay 50% for paints on hats or parts on stranges. And many people sell painted items or with parts for less than suggested value. This change will cause only drop of value of many backpacks and cause lots of complains about it. I think it shouldnt be changed at all. Keeping 50% is also good for people who use part on own items. Who will now want to use part on own weapon when after use it will add only 10, 20 or 30%?

Current pricing isnt perfect but we have what we have.

 

PS. Better remove spells prices from your data base because its more annoying than people saying that random craft hat with paint worth 1 key is worth 0.5 keys. You know people saying that random craft hat with Rotten Orange Footprints is worth over 45 keys because thats what bp.tf says...

 

 

Edit: to sum up, i didnt vote

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cares

I think that changing anything at this point is a bit stupid and will lead only to chaos and confusion. People, who trades a lot, already knows that almost nobody pay 50% for paints on hats or parts on stranges. And many people sell painted items or with parts for less than suggested value. This change will cause only drop of value of many backpacks and cause lots of complains about it. I think it shouldnt be changed at all. Keeping 50% is also good for people who use part on own items. Who will now want to use part on own weapon when after use it will add only 10, 20 or 30%?

Current pricing isnt perfect but we have what we have.

 

PS. Better remove spells prices from your data base because its more annoying than people saying that random craft hat with paint worth 1 key is worth 0.5 keys. You know people saying that random craft hat with Rotten Orange Footprints is worth over 45 keys because thats what bp.tf says...

 

 

Edit: to sum up, i didnt vote

 

The actual backpack didn't drop in value, just our estimation of it. It's not like this change to make the prices more inline with what you'd get in practice is going to reduce the prices of modifications. We try our best to provide the most accurate values as possible, and 50% paints/parts price simply isn't that.

 

That whole 'people won't use parts on their own items' argument is just stupid. If you cared so much about your backpack value, you wouldn't apply parts in the first place.

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Pyotoru

I just simply cant agree with a single word you said here.

The actual backpack didn't drop in value, just our estimation of it. It's not like this change to make the prices more inline with what you'd get in practice is going to reduce the prices of modifications. We try our best to provide the most accurate values as possible, and 50% paints/parts price simply isn't that.

Whatever you will name it - "actual backpack value" or "estimation" its same thing. Its first position on right side of your Inventory site and most people care only about it. Value of backpacks shown on individual users sites will drop. If you had 3 hats "worth" 0.5 keys each now you will have 3 hats "worth" 0.3 keys each (taking 30% multiplier for example) which will give 0.9 keys for all 3, and thats over 0.5 keys drop in "value". And now imagine backpacks with 1000-2000 items where at least 1 of 3 have part or paint (or even combo of 3 expensive parts on one weapon), drop will be in hundrets of keys.

 


That whole 'people won't use parts on their own items' argument is just stupid. If you cared so much about your backpack value, you wouldn't apply parts in the first place.

No, its not stupid. After change it will be better to search classifieds and steam market to find weapon with ideal combo of parts you want instead of buying raw parts which will be worth almost nothing after appyling them.

I myself planned to buy Professional Sydney Sleeper with Extinguished, Damage and 3rd additional part. So i was considering to just buy one with 1 or 2 of those parts and just bought 2nd and 3rd part by myself to apply it, but now only option i will have (will be best for me) will be waiting/searching forever for one with 3 perfect parts, which will take my time.

 

 

Better make another pool with addition option to vote for not changing price at all to see if 50% multiplier is really a problem worth working on and make changes.

 

Also i would like to see your opinion about spells (which are untradable in anyway since Tough Break update) prices in bp.tf data base which i pointed out in my last post.

 

Also i have to say thank you for fixing killstreak HHHaxe prices which i asked about for so long.

 

Also sorry for my english, its not my native language.

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Woifi The Viking

I just removed all untradeable item prices and all spell prices (request by cares).

 

And I added the 50% to the vote as option.

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Knurr

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Thanks for pointing that out. I apology as I have never noticed this!

 

Still I would introduce some general information that backpack.tf clearly does not set prices on it's own and instrad it just represent the trends.

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cares

Thanks for pointing that out. I apology as I have never noticed this!

 

Still I would introduce some general information that backpack.tf clearly does not set prices on it's own and instrad it just represent the trends.

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Pyotoru

And I added the 50% to the vote as option.

 

Its like starting a race when rest of competitors have already finished few first laps... if you know what i mean.

Adding this option at this point will give missleading results because if ealier someone voted for example for 30% because there was no better option he/she cant chage decision now for 50%, or didnt vote at all and forgot about topic at this point. Also this topic is no longer hyped, i mean shown in bp.tf main page so less people will vote at this point than during first few hours of this topic existane.

Only valid option would be starting new vote in new topic.

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neemo

I think that changing anything at this point is a bit stupid and will lead only to chaos and confusion. People, who trades a lot, already knows that almost nobody pay 50% for paints on hats or parts on stranges. And many people sell painted items or with parts for less than suggested value. This change will cause only drop of value of many backpacks and cause lots of complains about it. I think it shouldnt be changed at all. Keeping 50% is also good for people who use part on own items. Who will now want to use part on own weapon when after use it will add only 10, 20 or 30%?

Current pricing isnt perfect but we have what we have.

 

PS. Better remove spells prices from your data base because its more annoying than people saying that random craft hat with paint worth 1 key is worth 0.5 keys. You know people saying that random craft hat with Rotten Orange Footprints is worth over 45 keys because thats what bp.tf says...

 

 

Edit: to sum up, i didnt vote

The thing about the change in multiplier is that sure it'll decrease 'backpack value' but it's just making it slightly more accurate. There's really no point in having an inflated backpack value which probably defeats the purpose of having a backpack value. I actually prefer for my backpack value to drop so I agree with Julia about a 0% multiplier.

 

'Keeping 50% is also good for people who use part on own items.' - the purpose of backpack.tf is to estimate item pricing so keeping it at 50% goes against its goal. If someone genuinely wants a strange part on their item, backpack value wouldn't interfere with their decisions. Whenever I applied strange parts, I've always considered them an expense and a loss but it didn't matter because I wanted those parts and I'm willing to pay extra for them.

 

In summary, if 'almost nobody pay 50% for paints on hats or parts on stranges', there's really no reason to value them that high.

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Jarool

Would have to agree with 20% for paints and 10% for parts.

 

On a similar note, I think paint and part values should be removed from unusual items, since no one is going to pay or charge extra for paints and parts applied to unusual items. It would also make it look a bit neater, in my opinion.

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cares

Changes are live with the options that won the vote. Also removed part/paint value from unusuals.

 

And no, your backpack value didn't drop. Our representation merely reflects reality now.

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A Delicious Cashew
5 hours ago, Alice? said:

So?

It's not hard to go to a random backpack and calculate it for yourself instead of posting in a thread from over a year ago. 

 

The answer is yes.

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Alice?
On 5/23/2018 at 2:46 AM, A Delicious Cashew said:

It's not hard to go to a random backpack and calculate it for yourself instead of posting in a thread from over a year ago. 

It would be easier to just ask, like I did. My calculations could be wrong. Besides, I suck at math.

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