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But aside from just her character, Hillary holds too many positions that just don't gel with me:

 

Relaxed laws concerning marijuana. Small red flag

Aggressive support for LGBT rights. Big red flag

Abortion. Colossal red flag

Feminism. Not sure exactly what she means by describing herself as a feminist, but it spells trouble.

 

I dont know all the policies of the two candidates, but thats just a few that I noticed. It basically just comes down to the fact that I dont side with liberal views.

 

But hey, I cant vote in US elections so who even cares :D

Would you be willing to elaborate on why supporting LGBT rights is a red flag to you?

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Her criminal record is clean? Trump doesn't have the entire media on his site not to mention tons of friends at Capital

I'm sorry ... Are you arguing that if a case against Hillary goes away, she's guilty, but for Trump, he's innocent?

Because Trump didn't win the pedophilia case - it went away becomes the victim got deadthreats.

 

 

So ... Which is it? When a case "goes away", do you consider the person innocent or guilty?

 

tons of friends at Capital Hill.

Someone remind me ... how much Bengasi investigations where there?
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Would you be willing to elaborate on why supporting LGBT rights is a red flag to you?

 

Basically a lot of people think that LGBT rights are nothing but the promotion of deviant sexual behaviors.

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Would you be willing to elaborate on why supporting LGBT rights is a red flag to you?

 

Basically what Tats said. I'm a firm believer in marriage being a holy union of a man and a woman. LGBT stuff is baaaaaad man. I think its immoral on the basis of a few different ethical theories, not just my beliefs as a Christian. It's also just plain unnatural.

 

Let me just state, before someone accuses me, that I am not homophobic. I do not hate gay people in the same way i do not hate people who suffer from depression. I just thinks its wrong and they need help.

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Basically what Tats said. I'm a firm believer in marriage being a holy union of a man and a woman. LGBT stuff is baaaaaad man. I think its immoral on the basis of a few different ethical theories, not just my beliefs as a Christian. It's also just plain unnatural.

 

Let me just state, before someone accuses me, that I am not homophobic. I do not hate gay people in the same way i do not hate people who suffer from depression. I just thinks its wrong and they need help.

Oh? Don't worry. Nobody would accuse you of being homophobic. I mean, obviously it's unnatual, it's not like for instance studies have been conducted, and they've seen homosexuality in

 

 

 

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... really. COMPLETELY UNNATURAL. Does NOT happen in nature at all. People who think that homosexuality is natural can NOT be trusted. Pesky facts are for losers. I've got my uninformed oppinion and I stick to it.

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He's entitled to his opinion; there's no need to be a control freak about this. Actually, this more than proves my earlier point that all the liberals do these days is tell people that their opinions are wrong and that they're sexists, racists, homophobes, etc. You're a living example of the left having lost the art of a civilized discussion where you don't just tell people that their opinions are incorrect. I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a correct or incorrect opinion; that's why they're opinions. Edited by puddingkip
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Actually, this more than proves my earlier point that all the liberals do these days is tell people that their opinions are wrong and that they're sexists, racists, homophobes, etc.

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a correct or incorrect opinion; that's why they're opinions.

Where did I say he had an incorrect oppinion? I pointed out that the facts contradict his oppinion.

 

There might not be such a thing an "incorrect opinion" or "wrong oppinion" - but there definately is such a thing as "being wrong".

(in fact, freedictionairy.com litterly gives a s example: "acting or judging in error: you are wrong to think that.")

 

 

 

Would or wouldn't you agree that something that has been disproven would fall under that?

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Where did I say he had an incorrect oppinion? I pointed out that the facts contradict his oppinion.

 

There might not be such a thing an "incorrect opinion" or "wrong oppinion" - but there definately is such a thing as "being wrong".

(in fact, freedictionairy.com litterly gives a s example: "acting or judging in error: you are wrong to think that.")

 

 

 

Would or wouldn't you agree that something that has been disproven would fall under that?

Something that has been disproven? You took one out of the three sentences he used to state his opinion (the afterthought, might I add) and listed a bunch of animals. Maybe he thinks its unnatural for humans. We aren't discussing the rights of the spreadwinged damselfly here, are we? He also said that he believes its wrong for a number of ethical reasons and because he firmly believes marriage is between a man and a woman. Are you going to tell him that that is wrong just like you did the first thing. I can promise you that you will not find facts to 'contradict his oppinion' for that. You're just jumping down people's throats for one sentence that you view as a misstep. Hm, kind of like the media and Trump. So yeah, I'd disagree that it's been disproven.

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> You took one out of the three sentences

 

Yes because the others are subjective. (what is holy depends on religion, what is ethical or bad depends on ones moral code, etc ...)

 

And I don't fel the need to point out the obvious, that if you argue it's a religious thing, then gouverment shouldn't get involved (for instance, special rules on taxes).

However - as long as part of it is governemental, that part shouldn't be influenced by religion.

 

You know ... seperation of church and state?

 

 

 

> You took one out of the three sentences he used to state his opinion (the afterthought, might I add) and listed a bunch of animals.

 

I listed a bunch of animals - because they prove that it's not unnatural.

 

 

 

> Maybe he thinks its unnatural for humans.

 

Which is not what he said - and as there are still thowse who are under the misconception that homosexuality doesn't exist in the natural world - I don't see why I should twist his worlds.

 

 

 

> You're just jumping down people's throats for one sentence that you view as a misstep.

 

Not a misstep. Factually incorrect.

 

By all means,

- if you're against LGBT because you want shariah, sure

- if you're against LGBT because you think it's icky, sure

- if you're against LGBT because you're afraid of them, sure

 

but if you're against LGBT because you think it's unnatural, then no.

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Cancer also occurs throughout the animal kingdom. Is cancer natural? Is cancer good? 

 

Animals often kill for sport or toy with their prey. Should we, as humans, do the same thing because it's "natural"?

 

This data doesn't show that there are solely homosexual animals, only animals who act out homosexual behavior. They're animals for goodness sake, they're not morally responsible for their actions. They dont posses the same faculties of reason that we humans do. Geez, if we did everything animals did, we'd be murdering our neighbors and peeing all over our houses.

 

NOTHING can be more unnatural than an animal exhibiting solely homosexual behavior. An animals greatest purpose in life is to reproduce. Literally everything in it's life builds up to mating season and raising their young. A male who refuses to have sex with a female, is simply a defective animal. 

 

Now i dont want to sound too harsh here. I'm talking about other animals. Obviously, humans are a lot more complex and we dont go around labeling them as defective and of no use to their species. 

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Cancer also occurs throughout the animal kingdom. Is cancer natural? Is cancer good?

Is cancer natural? Yes.

Is getting cancer sad? yes.

But, is cancer good? Cancer is amoral, not immoral. (it's like asking if a rock is good?)

 

 

An animals greatest purpose in life is to reproduce. Literally everything in it's life builds up to mating season and raising their young.

A male who refuses to have sex with a female, is simply a defective animal.

... except, of course, not counting all the animals that don't fit that claim.

 

Simple examples include

  • animals that are incapability of reproduction (think worker bees)
  • social constructs (think beta/omega animals, where only alpha's mate))

Animals often kill for sport or toy with their prey. Should we, as humans, do the same thing because it's "natural"?

you seem to have lost your train of thought ...

 

You: It's also just plain unnatural.

Me: points out that it is natural

You: Should we do it because it's natural?

Opposite to not doing something because it's unnatural? You're the one who brought it up.

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Quotes from Wikipedia:

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior :

For these animals, there is documented evidence of homosexual behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting, as noted in researcher and author Bruce Bagemihl's 1999 book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.

 

 

 

So If I follow this logic, affection or friendship can fall under "homosexual behaviors". When applied to humanity, every person that has a same-sex friend, or has any sort of affection (except anything sexual) is showing evidence of an homosexual behavior. All is said in this, the logic behind the research of homosexuality among animals is already flawed by a super wide acceptation. The meaning of homosexuality isn't used in the same as we apply it to humans. Even if there are facts, there is always some kind of wrong or biased interpretation of facts. By the way, along with the definition of homosexuality, we should ask what is natural ?

 

Homosexuality is obviously the behavior of having sexual intercourse with a same-sex partner.

Having a friend, showing affection, courtship or even pair bonding has nothing to do with homosexuality.

A father who is showing affection to his son, is not an evidence of homosexuality.

It seems quite obvious to me, but apparently not to everyone.

 

Something "natural" is when something works as the Nature intended it to be. 

In this case, humans are naturally designed to be heterosexual. 

 

Even if there is some kind of homosexual behaviors evidence among animals, it doesn't mean it is unnatural.

But homosexuality in a precise meaning (not a wide acceptance) is the exception among animals. Among humans, homosexuality is clearly unnatural.

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So If I follow this logic

 

A father who is showing affection to his son, is not an evidence of homosexuality.

 

It seems quite obvious to me, but apparently not to everyone.

So
  • you read "affection"
  • interprete that as "any form of affection"
  • give example of father/son affaction
  • don't realise, that according to your interpretation, biologist would categorize any animal with parental instincts as homosexual (mother/daughter affection = also same sex)
  • Try to argue that that is a stupid criterium to define homosexuality.
Well, I couldn't agree more with yuor conclusion. Of course, your reasoning basically presumes biologists are trolls, but your conclusion is right on.

Any form of affection is indeed a stupid criteria.

 

... question.

1. Have you ever considered that a gay person can be a virgin - and still be gay?

2.Have you considered not all animals even have sexual intercourse (some form of external fertilisation are quite awesome)?

3. And thirdly, have you sersously never thought that a "gotcha" based on reading a one sentence summary of a 750 pages work might not have serious validity.

 

 

Something "natural" is when something works as the Nature intended it to be.

 

In this case, humans are naturally designed to be heterosexual.

So, cancer isn't natural? Genentic diseases aren't natural? etc ...

 

You really haven't thought this through, have you?

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I would like to ask a question. If two people of the same gender are involved in a relationship, does it affect you? If the answer is no as I suspect it likely is, why is it any of your business what they do when they're alone. They are still people and are entitled to the same respect that you are. Would you want someone who didn't understand you poking around while you were in the bedroom with your partner? Again, I suspect the answer is no. I guess what I'm saying is that disagreeing with their preferences does not give you, or anyone else, the right to tell them that what they are doing is wrong if it doesn't affect you.

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I would like to ask a question. If two people of the same gender are involved in a relationship, does it affect you? If the answer is no as I suspect it likely is, why is it any of your business what they do when they're alone. They are still people and are entitled to the same respect that you are. Would you want someone who didn't understand you poking around while you were in the bedroom with your partner? Again, I suspect the answer is no. I guess what I'm saying is that disagreeing with their preferences does not give you, or anyone else, the right to tell them that what they are doing is wrong if it doesn't affect you.

As if you're going to change his mind anyways, but that's a separate story. Let me ask you a similar question. Does his opinion affect the two people in a relationship? If the answer is no as I suspect it indeed is, what weight does his opinion bear on their relationship or not? He has a belief and it's not really your right to attack it; that's awful hypocritical given the point you're trying to make. You disagree with his opinion; yet you believe you have the right to tell him that what he believes is wrong. What I've been saying all along in this thread, again exemplified. Thanks for laying it out on a platter for me, good sir/madam.

 

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I would like to ask a question. If two people of the same gender are involved in a relationship, does it affect you? If the answer is no as I suspect it likely is, why is it any of your business what they do when they're alone. They are still people and are entitled to the same respect that you are. Would you want someone who didn't understand you poking around while you were in the bedroom with your partner? Again, I suspect the answer is no. I guess what I'm saying is that disagreeing with their preferences does not give you, or anyone else, the right to tell them that what they are doing is wrong if it doesn't affect you.

 

Come on now, that is a severely misguided and self-centered way of looking at the world and i'm sure you dont honestly mean what you're saying. I'm to only intervene or otherwise voice my opinion on matters that directly affect me? Geez, people do all kinds of weird stuff when they're alone that doesnt affect me - like sniffing cocaine, having sex with children, sacrificing animals. I have a duty to stand against what i believe is wrong, whether it affects me or not. I'm not crashing gay weddings and stomping on the cake, i'm just expressing my views. I'll do the same for other things like drug abuse, child labor, gang violence, the treatment of women in the middle east, climate change etc. Most of these things don't affect me, but it'd be a terrible tragedy if each of us were to lock ourselves up a little bubble of stupidity, safety and self-interest where we dont speak about anything that goes on outside.

 

Also, Hillary wanted to force businesses and churches to cooperate with gay marriages. So i'm also standing up for those people. Remember that bakery that got sued for over $100 000 for not baking a cake for a gay couple. They were just following their own beliefs. The couple could just have gone to a different freakin bakery. Trump will protect these freedoms. 

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You seem so intent on forcing everyone else to respect your beliefs, why don't you take a minute to respect theirs? Also, the examples you provided (drugs, pedophilia, animal sacrifice) have someone who gets hurt who is unable to stand up for themselves (addicts, children, animals). People who are LGBT aren't hurting anyone by having a specific set of preferences, so what gives you the right to say that it is right or wrong. As for the baker, he was sued on the grounds of discrimination. In other words he was refusing to serve this couple based solely on the grounds of their sexual identity, something they have no control over. When a business is incorporated, the owner/operator is agreeing to be bound by the laws regarding those businesses, a number of which deal with discrimination. In other words, he wasn't being sued because of his beliefs, he was being sued because he broke his promise to serve all customers equally. Churches are a lot different than businesses because religion is involved, but just like one's sexual identity, beliefs regarding higher powers don't change just because everyone else who believes in a higher power tells you that your beliefs are incorrect. Were that to be the case, then long ago the world would have agreed on a single religion, as opposed to the three major religions and massive number of sub religions and other belief systems. Simply put, you have no more right to tell someone their sexual identity is wrong than someone has to tell you that your religious views are wrong.

 

So lets leave it at this and then move on with the thread: Everybody deserves to be treated the same, and judging someone for something they have little to no control over is wrong.

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Does his opinion affect the two people in a relationship? If the answer is no as I suspect it indeed is, what weight does his opinion bear on their relationship or not? He has a belief and it's not really your right to attack it; that's awful hypocritical given the point you're trying to make. You disagree with his opinion; yet you believe you have the right to tell him that what he believes is wrong. What I've been saying all along in this thread, again exemplified. Thanks for laying it out on a platter for me, good sir/madam.

 

Actually, his opinion does, in fact, have an effect on their relationship. Overturning the Supreme Court's decision to legalize gay marriage affects people, while gay people's intent to get married doesn't affect him in any way. So if it was solely his opinion, then no, I don't care if he feels that way. The issue is that his opinion will inform how he votes, and that does affect people. You've criticized his point by being willfully ignorant and then used the same arrogance you've taken issue with to prove your own point. Try to have some perspective.

 

Thanks for laying it out on a platter for me, good sir/madam.

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Remember that bakery that got sued for over $100 000 for not baking a cake for a gay couple. They were just following their own beliefs. The couple could just have gone to a different freakin bakery. Trump will protect these freedoms. 

 

If you start to allow businesses to discriminate against someone's sexual orientation things are just going to spiral worse and worse. It won't be a case of just going to a different bakery, if one bakery gets to refuse without any legal or public backlash then what's to stop the next bakery from doing the same? If you make it legal to treat homosexuals as second class citizens not worthy of shopping where you please then you'll have gone right back to the early 1900s, back when blacks were treated that way.

 

Shutting out homosexuals is just detrimental to society. They aren't harming anyone and they aren't any less capable of working than any other demographic just because they stick their dick in something different so why would you want to mistreat them? All mistreating them will do is piss off a lot of people.

 

Also calling it a freedom to mistreat other people is just silly. Don't they have the freedom to shop where they please?

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=clinton+foundation+haiti

 

tl;dr

 

Haiti is a fucked country that got struck with a big earthquake. Relief money was sent to them through the Clinton foundation who were basically running most of the relief plans.

 

Only about 10% of all the money actually went to Haiti, when promised thousands of jobs they got less than a thousand. Housing was a joke. Overall the people of Haiti were very disgruntled and spoke out about their hate of the Clintons. Where did the money go?

 

 

One of the people I talk to a lot was a large hilary supporter solely because of Trump's view on not really caring about the lower class and the welfare of all people.

How can you say that you voted on hilary based on her caring for the welfare of people when you have that article in hand? 

 

I go back to the silly argument of "Hilary killed people, Trump said mean things" Because as ambiguous and ridiculous as it sounds, it's so accurate. 

 

And that whole open heart surgery argument? Horrible analogy. Would you rather have someone that bullied you throughout middle school, or someone as your friend through high school who decided to stab you in the back at one of the most important times you needed someone? 

 

And then there's all these butthurt people crying and rioting and burning flags because they don't like trump. GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PRINCIPLES OF HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WAS ESTABLISHED. The man won, end of story. You know what won't help? Bitching and moaning and blocking freeways which prevents people who are actually working to do what they're supposed to be doing, working does not help at all. 

 

The #1 way either candidate would fail? The people. If the people can't stand behind the government and try to have a little faith in the man that the population elected, then we're doomed, end of story.

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His beliefs are clearly deeply rooted in religion, you're not going to change his mind. Might as well just move on with the thread.

Oh, but as stated before, I have no problem (per se) when people have who believe something is right or wrong.

The issue is when when people give incorrect arguments.

 

Homosexuality DOES exist in nature. Wether you think or not it's for humans is a different thing, but to say it's a human construct or unnatural is clearly false.

 

Also, Hillary wanted to force businesses and churches to cooperate with gay marriages. So i'm also standing up for those people. Remember that bakery that got sued for over $100 000 for not baking a cake for a gay couple. They were just following their own beliefs. The couple could just have gone to a different freakin bakery. Trump will protect these freedoms.

If I might offer some advice? In the future, reread what you write and replace 'gay' with 'black' or 'interracial' - to understand how progressives read it.

 

I hope you now understand why the quoted statement absolutely does not help your case.

 

And then there's all these butthurt people crying and rioting and burning flags because they don't like trump. GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PRINCIPLES OF HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WAS ESTABLISHED

Did you know that the principle behind the 2nd ammenment, is based unon the right to rebel against the goverment?

 

... so ... err ... seems you're the one who can't handle the principles your country is founded upon ...

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