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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

Last night/ early this morning, I had made a price suggestion for the Strange Grenade Launcher. 

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52ad73664dd7b8242d8b4568

 

It has an 85% approval rating and tons of evidence. I forgot to add some of the unsolds and was planning on adding them an hour or so ago but my suggestion was closed!

 

The user "blind polar bear" (http://steamcommunity.com/id/blindpolarbear/) forced closed my suggestion after citing "trades" he believes counter mine. They do not. Here are the trades he cites:

 

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16347668 (1 day old)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16342507 (2 days old. The last suggestion was 1 day ago!)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16352221 (1 day old)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16359400 (Prices 2 days old)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16368667 (1 key 1 ref, not 1.2 keys!)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16367813 (1 key 1 ref, not 1.2 keys!)

 

I don't care who this user is. "blind polar bear" is abusing his power and I want him reprimanded for this action. His evidence doesn't back his claim but rather backs up the hypothesis that he is trying to manipulate prices! He closed all prior suggestions!!! He doesn't want the price to change unless he says so! Conspiracy theory aside, this user is not getting of Scott-free. 

 

People are selling theses stranges for 1 key, not 1.2 keys. I want my price suggestion approved and this user punished. Thank you for reading. 

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polar

People are selling theses stranges for 1 key, not 1.2 keys. I want my price suggestion approved and this user punished. Thank you for reading. 

 

1.2 keys was meant as a placeholder for 1 key + 1 ref in the previous suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52aaf1464cd7b80d0b8b4568 (as opposed to 1.16 keys)

 

The three links you provided at 1 key + 1 ref all sold. And all the links I provided at 1 key + 1 ref were taken from the unsold section of the previous suggestion. So they all happened since that suggestion happened. Looking at your own proof plus the one available, a range of 1-1.2 seemed better

 

 

You did not provide adequate evidence showing that 1 key + 1 ref was not possible. In the future please provide all the evidence at the time of suggesting instead of waiting "an hour or so." As you could see yourself, 500 people voted before you even provided that very relevant, important piece of evidence. 

 

A few more things to consider: http://www.trade.tf/price/206/11 - currently 1-1.2 keys

 

And completed sales at 1 key + 1 ref in the last 24 hours --

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16412605 - sold instantly - happened after your suggestion was made

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16412141 - sold instantly - happened after your suggestion was made

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16412080 - sold instantly - happened after your suggestion was made

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16412049 - sold instantly - happened after your suggestion was made

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16411060

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16406678

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16405379

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16403927

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16402030

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16401979

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16399577

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16399268

 

Unsolds from the previous suggestion that are now sold: 

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16347668

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16342507

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16352221

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16359400

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16368667

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16367813

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The user "blind polar bear"

I don't care who this user is. "blind polar bear" is abusing his power and I want him reprimanded for this action.

I want my price suggestion approved and this user punished.

 

He's not just a "user", he's a mod here. 

 

He told you that 1 key is a quicksell, and he provided sales at higher than 1 key. What more do you want?

 

 

"blind polar bear" is abusing his power and I want him reprimanded for this action. His evidence doesn't back his claim but rather backs up the hypothesis that he is trying to manipulate prices! He closed all prior suggestions!!! He doesn't want the price to change unless he says so! Conspiracy theory aside, this user is not getting of Scott-free. 

 

LOL PLEASE BE KIDDING ME. He is a mod, like I said, and him and the other mods make decisions as a group on suggestions. Again, polar provided counterproof (the above 1 key sales) so he found the reason to close your suggestion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, mods will never "force close" a suggestion without a reason behind it.

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Slocumruls

You really don't understand how this site works. 1 key launchers still sell too fast to be considered the standard price (quicksales) when 1.2 key launchers still sell in a reasonable amount of time.

Based on the way you think this should work I could easily suggest 6 ref to 1 key just using My own trades (i have quite a few buys and sales)

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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

1.2 keys was meant as a placeholder for 1 key + 1 ref in the previous suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52aaf1464cd7b80d0b8b4568 (as opposed to 1.16 keys)

 

The three links you provided at 1 key + 1 ref all sold. And all the links I provided at 1 key + 1 ref were taken from the unsold section of the previous suggestion. So they all happened since that suggestion happened. Looking at your own proof plus the one available, a range of 1-1.2 seemed better

 

 

You did not provide adequate evidence showing that 1 key + 1 ref was not possible. In the future please provide all the evidence at the time of suggesting instead of waiting "an hour or so." As you could see yourself, 500 people voted before you even provided that very relevant, important piece of evidence.

I was getting around to the unsolds. He litterally closed the suggestion less than half an hour after putting his reply down. It doesn't merit the right for him to do that, neither does a trade or two, appropriate for the prior price suggestion, count towards this one! Heck, if only a couple people can get away with selling it for 1.1 keys, it doesn't mean it represents the rest that sold if for 1 key!

 

There are tons of unsolds, btw. Just look it up on outpost. 

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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

He's not just a "user", he's a mod here. 

 

He told you that 1 key is a quicksell, and he provided sales at higher than 1 key. What more do you want?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, mods will never "force close" a suggestion without a reason behind it.

His counters were old and applied to the prior price suggestion. If it was sold 2 days ago, and the last suggestion was 1 day ago, what does that tell you?

 

Also, if I can name 10 people selling for 1 key, it's not a quick sell. That's just the new price. Get over it. I'm reposting the suggestion. 

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AwesomeMcCoolName

His counters were old and applied to the prior price suggestion. If it was sold 2 days ago, and the last suggestion was 1 day ago, what does that tell you?

 

Also, if I can name 10 people selling for 1 key, it's not a quick sell. That's just the new price. Get over it. I'm reposting the suggestion. 

There are over 400 Strange Grenade Launchers on Outpost. You're telling me 10 is representative of 400? wut 

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polar

I was getting around to the unsolds. He litterally closed the suggestion less than half an hour after putting his reply down. It doesn't merit the right for him to do that, neither does a trade or two, appropriate for the prior price suggestion, count towards this one! Heck, if only a couple people can get away with selling it for 1.1 keys, it doesn't mean it represents the rest that sold if for 1 key!

 

There are tons of unsolds, btw. Just look it up on outpost. 

 

I have edited my comment providing more proof of sales at 1 key + 1 ref. Please have a look. Please note, all the proof for a suggestion should be provided at the time of the suggestion. It is appropriate to keep updating as time passes, but a key piece of evidence like unsolds for 1.2 must be provided at the time of the suggestion. 

 

Quite simply, your range at 1 key flat is too low when there are plenty selling for more.

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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

There are over 400 Strange Grenade Launchers on Outpost. You're telling me 10 is representative of 400? wut 

You must be new here. :/

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MDPEzra

My biggest concern here is that this is a community based economy. This is a community site. That is why all prices here are just recommendations. Since it is a communal price, there should be no single authority to shut it down. I'm not going to be all pro-anarchy and whatnot, but your actions were not justified. With almost 500 votes, there was an approval rating of 85%! It's a community voting, and the community liked, and probably still does like 1 key. If they don't, they can vote it down. It wasn't a crazy suggestion, and I see nothing but bias on the side of blind polar bear. You have authority, blind. Use it like you should, and be justified in the uses of the power. LISTEN to the community, don't go against it.

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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

I have edited my comment providing more proof of sales at 1 key + 1 ref. Please have a look. Please note, all the proof for a suggestion should be provided at the time of the suggestion. It is appropriate to keep updating as time passes, but a key piece of evidence like unsolds for 1.2 must be provided at the time of the suggestion. 

 

Quite simply, your range at 1 key flat is too low when there are plenty selling for more.

It still doesn't merit closing my suggestion without prior notice. 

Look at the previous price suggestion. You didn't close that one down. It had no unsolds!

In addition, most the trades were at one key and 1 ref or less!

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52aaf1464cd7b80d0b8b4568

 

Know what that tells me? The new price is one key. I'm not waiting up for some higher priced sales. 

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MDPEzra

JUST sold another for 8 ref (1.3) It took me less than 1 hour to sell at that price.

 

http://puu.sh/5NOAt.png

 

So easy to sell, doesn't need a drop~

 

If one person's trades determined the market, we could have unusuals selling for less than a key, and two buds for a scrap.

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AwesomeMcCoolName

Since it is a communal price, there should be no single authority to shut it down. I'm not going to be all pro-anarchy and whatnot, but your actions were not justified. With almost 500 votes, there was an approval rating of 85%! It's a community voting, and the community liked, and probably still does like 1 key. If they don't, they can vote it down. It wasn't a crazy suggestion, and I see nothing but bias on the side of blind polar bear. You have authority, blind. Use it like you should, and be justified in the uses of the power. LISTEN to the community, don't go against it.

Well, there really isn't one person that has the authority to do so. The mods are all "checked" by eachother--i.e. if one mod starts to abuse his power he won't be a mod. Votes don't mean all that much because most people don't look at proof. Most people know the grenade was re-added, therefore it must be going down, and will up vote virtually any suggestion lowering its price. If he showed plenty of sales above the suggested range--clearly showing that the suggested range was wrong. 

 

If one person's trades determined the market, we could have unusuals selling for less than a key, and two buds for a scrap.

Blind Polar Bear provided multiple links that sold for more. So why are his links invalid but aarons aren't? I smell hypocrisy. 

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KoDoRiN

If one person's trades determined the market, we could have unusuals selling for less than a key, and two buds for a scrap.

fyi I provided 2 trades. Combining my trades and polar bears counterproof, it doesn't need a drop. See, let's merge our links.

 

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16347668

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16342507

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16352221

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16359400

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16368667

http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/16367813

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16413424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16369975

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16296839

 

I didn't even look at trade.tf.

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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

Well, there really isn't one person that has the authority to do so. The mods are all "checked" by eachother--i.e. if one mod starts to abuse his power he won't be a mod. Votes don't mean all that much because most people don't look at proof. Most people know the grenade was re-added, therefore it must be going down, and will up vote virtually any suggestion lowering its price. If he showed plenty of sales above the suggested range--clearly showing that the suggested range was wrong. 

 

 

Blind Polar Bear provided multiple links that sold for more. So why are his links invalid but aarons aren't? I smell hypocrisy. 

The mods are all checked by each other? Are you joking? My suggestion was down mere minutes after blind polar bear commented and closed it. (forgot to write that part)

 

Not to mention, a group of moderators are basically a clique. If I can get my friends to support me on an issue, surely he can get all the mods to give him approval for his actions. 

 

He provided arguably legitimate links AFTER HE CLOSED IT, ON THIS FORUM. IT'S A LITTLE LATE. His links on backpack.tf were as good as garbage.  

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KoDoRiN

The mods are all checked by each other? Are you joking? My suggestion was down mere minutes after blind polar bear commented.

 

Not to mention, a group of moderators are basically a clique. If I can get my friends to support me on an issue, surely he can get all the mods to give him approval for his actions. 

 

He provided arguably legitimate links AFTER HE CLOSED IT, ON THIS FORUM. IT'S A LITTLE LATE. His links on backpack.tf were as good as garbage.  

http://puu.sh/5NPdy.png

 

I think you're blind.

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AwesomeMcCoolName

The mods are all checked by each other? Are you joking? My suggestion was down mere minutes after blind polar bear commented.

 

Not to mention, a group of moderators are basically a clique. If I can get my friends to support me on an issue, surely he can get all the mods to give him approval for his actions. 

 

He provided arguably legitimate links AFTER HE CLOSED IT, ON THIS FORUM. IT'S A LITTLE LATE. His links on backpack.tf were as good as garbage.  

The mods are checked by each other as a whole. Not on each suggestion. 

 

Except the mods don't show favoritism, i've had suggestions closed even though i'm friends with pretty much all the mods. 

 

O, and now we're insulting. I like the maturity. 

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Aaron (Mr. Smee)

Those are old trades. Those trades were before the previously accepted price. They do not represent the current market.

*facepalm* You're done. Get out. You clearly have no idea how this website works.

 

TF2 is a buyer's market, not a sellers. The people dictate how much they pay. The only exception is with rarer items, but this item is not rare. If somebody is willing to sell for less, and it catches on, then that is the standard. It's not about who can sell it for more. It's quite evident that people don't want to pay more than a key.

 

Funny, for an item with over 50,000 units of itself in the economy, it is still valued at over a key by some. It's a default weapon, no less. 

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KoDoRiN

Those are old trades. Those trades were before the previously accepted price. They do not represent the current market.

*facepalm* You're done. Get out. You clearly have no idea how this website works.

 

TF2 is a buyer's market, not a sellers. The people dictate how much they pay. The only exception is with rarer items, but this item is not rare. If somebody is willing to sell for less, and it catches on, then that is the standard. It's not about who can sell it for more. It's quite evident that people don't want to pay more than a key.

 

Funny, for an item with over 50,000 units of itself in the economy, it is still valued at over a key by some. It's a default weapon, no less. 

lol I love how a white belt thinks I don't know how this website works even though I have over 300 accepted suggestions. Cute.

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AwesomeMcCoolName

Those are old trades. Those trades were before the previously accepted price. They do not represent the current market.

*facepalm* You're done. Get out. You clearly have no idea how this website works.

 

TF2 is a buyer's market, not a sellers. The people dictate how much they pay. The only exception is with rarer items, but this item is not rare. If somebody is willing to sell for less, and it catches on, then that is the standard. It's not about who can sell it for more. It's quite evident that people don't want to pay more than a key.

 

Funny, for an item with over 50,000 units of itself in the economy, it is still valued at over a key by some. It's a default weapon, no less. 

There are over 100,000 bills yet they're valued at 6 keys. 

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polar

My biggest concern here is that this is a community based economy. This is a community site. That is why all prices here are just recommendations. Since it is a communal price, there should be no single authority to shut it down. I'm not going to be all pro-anarchy and whatnot, but your actions were not justified. With almost 500 votes, there was an approval rating of 85%! It's a community voting, and the community liked, and probably still does like 1 key. If they don't, they can vote it down. It wasn't a crazy suggestion, and I see nothing but bias on the side of blind polar bear. You have authority, blind. Use it like you should, and be justified in the uses of the power. LISTEN to the community, don't go against it.

 

Mods are part of a system of checks and balances that includes the community vote. In close suggestions, I always go with the community vote even if I disagree with the range. 

 

Examples: 

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52a306f74cd7b81e4d8b456c

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52a474634dd7b8ac578b4568

 

This was not a close call, imo, with 1.2 keys selling very easily / quickly in the last day. 

 

Why do we have mods? Well, the community often misses key points in suggestions

 

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/515204b2ba25364d57000006 - before I was a mod I used to make suggestions. Here was one where I suggested for the wrong hat. And I got 83% of the vote. 

 

I have closed a 100% suggestion before because all the proof for a high end hat was based on duped hats. Again, when the range is clearly off, that's when mods go against the community vote. I felt this was one of those cases.

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Avenging Flame

lol I love how a white belt thinks I don't know how this website works even though I have over 300 accepted suggestions. Cute.

Thats what I have been thinking this entire time. He thinks he knows how to use this site more than blue belts and mods

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AwesomeMcCoolName

Thats what I have been thinking this entire time. He thinks he knows how to use this site more than blue belts and mods

Lets not forget that i'm new here. 

You must be new here. :/

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