Hmm first ban from autpost

[Vince]

OP might discourage cursing, but i've never seen them ban for it. 

 

Also, Dota is rated 'M', really?

 

i was banned for telling someone to fuck off and ive had multiple posts hidden for saying "fuck no"

 

and i dont know, i dont play dota

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

BP.tf does allow it if it does nothing about it. Lack of action implies allowance. If it does not allow it then something must be said or written forbidding it. And I welcome and staff member to clarify this. I don't dislike a section with loosened moderation, but I can't agree with allowing people to trash other communities. I ban people who make fun of bazaar on the TF2OP forums. But I'm not part of the bp.tf staff so I can't say what may or not be said in here.

 

I don't think it matters really which mod did it. It's not the first time it happens, and the result is always the same: trash talking outpost and its staff.

In some ways i agree, theres no reason to trash-talk a site. If you run into an idiot you post it in the "Best Steam Conversations" (and give people something to laugh about). But theres also a difference between your two examples. 

 

OP and bazaar are competitors so by allowing the trash talking of the other on the forums/site shows that you agree/don't mind knocking the "enemy" down a notch. But something to keep in mind, Backpack.tf is a very laid back community with no real affiliation with actual trading, but rather pricing. It deals with a whole different side of the economy. So as long as backpack.tf allows "trash-talking" of any/all sites then its not a problem. Like i said, backpack.tf is pretty much like Facebook, its very laid back, and its users (regulars anyway) have no problem spending time helping people with problems of any sort vs. op/bazaar/sop where people go to trade. 

 

The fact that it was Liddo did have an affect (at least imo), solely because backpack.tf regulars tend to screw with each other ) so...

 

i was banned for telling someone to fuck off and ive had multiple posts hidden for saying "fuck no"

 

and i dont know, i dont play dota

You weren't banned for using the word "fuck". (i'm assuming anyway)

 

Theres no need to tell someone to "fuck off", rather just come up with a witty response; and get all the "Fuck you/off"s out of your system when a phished posts on your trade. Thats what i usually do

[Pyrocide]

Sourceop has a very similar Anti-Op/Shit-on-Op thread in the flame bucket. So to say that backpack.tf allows stuff like this really isn't a fair statement. 

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/124206-sneeza-and-shitpost

 

@Blue

 

I asked a simple question and you took it offensively. Suffice it to say, not my fault that you chose to come find the post read all of it, including posts from people that do not like OP and chose to respond openly calling me out on not having proof of a bad mod. Never did I say Liddo or anyone was a bad mod in the original post.  I was referring to the inconsistencies of banning. I wasnt even the one who first said it was Liddo who banned me. It was a generalized question which you, apparently, took offensively and decided to response defensively.

 

According to me, I am saying if you ban one person for insulting another, you need to ban the other person as well if they are insinuating an insult, (e.g. Lowballer) Lowballer is an insult. If I were to call you a lowballer for buying something at a set price how would you as a person, not an OP mod, take that? 

 

"That's why I said people act and react differently" 

 

If you ban one person for calling another lowballer, ban all that throw the word out. Simple. There shouldn't be any difference between who said it or when or why. The fact is it was said and banning one and not another is biased/double standard. How about a PSA with banning for language, autpost racial slurs (whether in jest or insult) covers the broad spectrum.

 

The actual reason I didnt contact Liddo is because after seeing the bullshit mods' bans in pic compilations I actually did fear a perma-ban, for attempting to appeal directly with a mod, even if querying the cause behind it. Call my paranoid but I don't trust the mods to be logical based on past mod's actions. That whole fool me once thing. 

 

I actually didnt call anyone anything, I just told him to fuck himself for calling me a lowballer when It was on my own trade. I can see if he said it on his own trade where I offered a lowball offer, sure I would have invited that insult. But on my own trade, where i just wait for people to happen by it that are trading, nope. I wont stand for it.

[Blue Screen of Death]

My only disagreement is this. Team Fortress 2 is a rated M (18+) game. Even though outpost covers CSGO (rated M i think), Dota (M as well?) and some portal last i knew. But most people use outpost for TF2, CSGO or Dota, which are all M games. that being said, I believe that outpost should follow the "M" ranking. A M ranking is for mature, language used, etc and that the people using the games should be mature (M) enough to understand swear words. Now i know there are a lot of 11 year olds, but their parents are allowing them to play what will subject them to mature material and that even on outpost, that mature material should be allowed. Hell, even the forums allows swearing. But what outpost does is not up to me

 

What you say makes sense, but you need to consider that the outpost network is a privately owned entity, as backpack.tf and many others. It's up to the owners to set the rules and let people in or out. No one is entitled to access anything, i.e. it's not a right, it's a privilege. And you also need to consider the fact that people browse the site from their phones, work computers, etc. How could NSFW material be allowed? There's a lot of things to take into account before giving a free card to everyone to insult, trash talk, post porn, etc.

 

 

In some ways i agree, theres no reason to trash-talk a site. If you run into an idiot you post it in the "Best Steam Conversations" (and give people something to laugh about). But theres also a difference between your two examples. 

 

OP and bazaar are competitors so by allowing the trash talking of the other on the forums/site shows that you agree/don't mind knocking the "enemy" down a notch. But something to keep in mind, Backpack.tf is a very laid back community with no real affiliation with actual trading, but rather pricing. It deals with a whole different side of the economy. So as long as backpack.tf allows "trash-talking" of any/all sites then its not a problem. Like i said, backpack.tf is pretty much like Facebook, its very laid back, and its users (regulars anyway) have no problem spending time helping people with problems of any sort vs. op/bazaar/sop where people go to trade. 

 

We don't allow any sort of list or chat log on outpost because it's considered public humiliation.

 

As for the OP/Bazaar example, it is indeed a bit different, but if it was any other non-competitor community site (bp.tf for ex) the action would be the same. And I'd rather have no trash talking at all.

[Woifi The Viking]

So, I moved this to the general discussion. Why? Because it derailed, and like other threads are moved here for becomming spam threads this is the other way round. Besides underscores posts again.

 

This kinda reminds me of the trash talking about key suggestions....and I like discussions.

 

 

http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/124206-sneeza-and-shitpost

 

@Blue

 

I asked a simple question and you took it offensively. Suffice it to say, not my fault that you had to come find the post read all of it, including posts from people that do not like OP and chose to respond openly calling me out on not having proof of a bad mod. Never did I say Liddo or anyone was a bad mod in the original post.  

 

According to me, I am saying if you ban one person for insulting another, you need to ban the other person as well if they are insinuating an insult, (e.g. Lowballer) Lowballer is an insult. If I were to call you a lowballer for buying something at a set price how would you as a person, not an OP mod, take that? 

 

"That's why I said people act and react differently" 

 

If you ban one person for calling another lowballer, ban all that throw the word out. Simple. There shouldn't be any difference between who said it or when or why. The fact is it was said and banning one and not another is biased/double standard. How about a PSA with banning for language, autpost racial slurs (whether in jest or insult) covers the broad spectrum.

 

The actual reason I didnt contact Liddo is because after seeing the bullshit mods' bans in pic compilations I feared that I would also be banned for attempting to appeal directly, even if querying the cause behind it. Call my paranoid but I don't trust the mods to be logical based on past mod's actions. That whole fool me once thing. 

 

I actually didnt call anyone anything, I just told him to fuck himself for calling me a lowballer when It was on my own trade. I can see if he said it on his own trade where I offered a lowball offer, sure I would have invited that insult. But on my own trade, where i just wait for people to happen by it that are trading, nope. I wont stand for it.

Lowballer is just a slight insult, while fuck off is pretty clear, you have to draw the line somehwere.

 

And if you are afraid of Liddo who is like one of the nicest persons here than you should rethink that. It's not like that he turns into a banhammer machine overnight just because of that gray name.

 

 

PS: I'm just too slow at reading all that stuff and reply to it, got ninja'd so many times. :S

[Pyrocide]

What you say makes sense, but you need to consider that the outpost network is a privately owned entity, as backpack.tf and many others. It's up to the owners to set the rules and let people in or out. No one is entitled to access anything, i.e. it's not a right, it's a privilege. And you also need to consider the fact that people browse the site from their phones, work computers, etc. How could NSFW material be allowed? There's a lot of things to take into account before giving a free card to everyone to insult, trash talk, post porn, etc.

 

 

 

We don't allow any sort of list or chat log on outpost because it's considered public humiliation.

 

As for the OP/Bazaar example, it is indeed a bit different, but if it was any other non-competitor community site (bp.tf for ex) the action would be the same. And I'd rather have no trash talking at all.

Just an observation for the NSFW thing.

 

Many firewalls and network filters have language and subject matter filters. That really shouldn't be a problem for most, as many of them have gaming and game related sites as a filter to prevent non-work related browsing.

 

 

So, I moved this to the general discussion. Why? Because it derailed, 

 

Lowballer is just a slight insult -snip-

 

It's not like that he turns into a banhammer machine overnight just because of that gray name.

I thought this topic deserved a spot in Great Below. Not in General.

 

The fact that remains, is that it is if insults in general are bannable, why is one and not the other regardless of severity. 

 

Don't mean to nitpick here, but isn't that what just happened and no one here knew he was a new mod in training? lol

I know he is a nice person, but since he is following a clear as mud rule system for banning I didn't want to stir the waters any more than what already was. 

 

And with that I am off to bed. Look forward to your response BSOD.

[Vince]

woifi moved to general???

 

edit: ninjad

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

What you say makes sense, but you need to consider that the outpost network is a privately owned entity, as backpack.tf and many others. It's up to the owners to set the rules and let people in or out. No one is entitled to access anything, i.e. it's not a right, it's a privilege. And you also need to consider the fact that people browse the site from their phones, work computers, etc. How could NSFW material be allowed? There's a lot of things to take into account before giving a free card to everyone to insult, trash talk, post porn, etc.

 

 

 

We don't allow any sort of list or chat log on outpost because it's considered public humiliation.

 

As for the OP/Bazaar example, it is indeed a bit different, but if it was any other non-competitor community site (bp.tf for ex) the action would be the same. And I'd rather have no trash talking at all.

@first half (NSFW related stuff) 

People aren't supposed to be doing personal stuff while on the clock; also, most employers wouldn't get mad/fire you because someone else on the internet used the word "Fuck". 

 

I can see where you're coming from; but backpack.tf is unique in comparison to Outpost, Bazaar, and Sourceop. OP/Bazaar/SOP are all trading sites--strict/down-to-business/no-bullshit. Backpack.tf on the other hand is more of a help forum for the community as a whole. Have a problem with something? post it here. Need a price check? Post it here. And within a few minutes someone will have a response. Backpack.tf serves a different purpose then op/bazaar/sop, bp.tf needs to be very laid back otherwise it would lose its main strength. Why would anyone go to bptf forums if it was heavily moderated? You don't really get any trades done from it, so it wouldn't really work if it was heavily moderated (at least imo).

 

 

woifi moved to general???

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[Woifi The Viking]

@first half (NSFW related stuff) 

People aren't supposed to be doing personal stuff while on the clock; also, most employers wouldn't get mad/fire you because someone else on the internet used the word "Fuck". 

Well "fuck" alone (or what the fuck, or fuck it) is different from "fuck off" imo. I would never warn someone for first because you are basically talking to yourself while the second one is insulting another person.

 

Also this forum should be to there to speak of every possible thing. We are warning all the people who are spamming the key suggestions with their stuff but they can speak there mind here.

 

There aren't even modified forum rules here because it was not really needed until yet and I'm sure we will not need that in the future.~

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

Well "fuck" alone (or what the fuck, or fuck it) is different from "fuck off" imo. I would never warn someone for first because you are basically talking to yourself while the second one is insulting another person.

i agree, i'm just pointing out that theres no need to make the site "work-friendly". 

[Avenging Flame]

BSOD, I have to disagree with your no tolerance of people bad mouthing other communities. I was an adminstrator on Wikia's Community Central for a time and was there for the introduction of the chat feature. Having a ways by which a mass of users can communicate easily is always going to lead to disagreements and people act immaturely. There is no way around it, this is the internet. When people would trash talk a wiki under my watch, instead of telling them that they cannot do such, I merely challenged their opinion. It is much more constructive to ask them why they hate something and why they are making fun of something and trying to tell them the good of that rather than just telling them they are not allowed to do something. If someone is making fun of bazaar, instead of saying you can't do that, why not ask them why they are doing such and then list the positives? I found that to be much more productive. If a user was bad mouthing the Glee wiki in our central chat, rather than telling them that they are not allowed to do that, I'd ask them why they do not like the wiki and tell them the many positive of the site such as their openness and creativity. No tolerance policies rarely work and will only cause backlash and more hate towards your site

[Blue Screen of Death]

Lowballer is just a slight insult, while fuck off is pretty clear, you have to draw the line somehwere.

 

This is why making the calls is hard. What is a slight insult? Are there degrees of insults? How to establish them? This discussion is endless.

Either allow everything or block what one considers insulting. And there's no way to have a list of insults and their degrees compiled.

 

I see that consistence sometimes may be a problem, and believe me, we are trying our best to minimize it as much as possible. But as long as the human factor exists, there will never be perfection as the human itself is not perfect.

 

I'm not offended by it. But yes, I'm defensive because I see all these arguments and claims without no supporting evidence. And I'll tackle every single one of them. If I have a problem with someone or with a site, I contact them/their owners to get an explanation/solution. I really don't think it's necessary to make a big fuss and announce it to everyone - this always end up in a flame war/trash talk.

 

As for NSFW, I've seen reports from people saying they could see porn on their work computers. The fact that Sneeza makes the rules still remains.

 

I used bad words with people I know for a long time or am familiar with, because I know how they will take them. But we are talking about public places here, and similarly to real life, you need to have boundaries.

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

BSOD, I have to disagree with your no tolerance of people bad mouthing other communities. I was an adminstrator on Wikia's Community Central for a time and was there for the introduction of the chat feature. Having a ways by which a mass of users can communicate easily is always going to lead to disagreements and people act immaturely. There is no way around it, this is the internet. When people would trash talk a wiki under my watch, instead of telling them that they cannot do such, I merely challenged their opinion. It is much more constructive to ask them why they hate something and why they are making fun of something and trying to tell them the good of that rather than just telling them they are not allowed to do something. If someone is making fun of bazaar, instead of saying you can't do that, why not ask them why they are doing such and then list the positives? I found that to be much more productive. If a user was bad mouthing the Glee wiki in our central chat, rather than telling them that they are not allowed to do that, I'd ask them why they do not like the wiki and tell them the many positive of the site such as their openness and creativity. No tolerance policies rarely work and will only cause backlash and more hate towards your site

Theres something to be said for having a place where anyone can say anything about any community and actually have a discussion about it. I think something that needs to be made clear, however, is that "Trash-talking" shouldn't be allowed, but theres no problem with saying a community is bad if you actually provide valid reasoning. I.e. don't just say OP is shit/an OP mod is unfair, prove it--then feel free to say it. Personal responsibility needs to come into play. If you know your boss will get pissed at you and potentially fire you because theres profanity on the screen, then its YOUR responsibility to not put yourself in that position. 

 

 

As for NSFW, I've seen reports from people saying they could see porn on their work computers. The fact that Sneeza makes the rules still remains.

 

I used bad words with people I know for a long time or am familiar with, because I know how they will take them. But we are talking about public places here, and similarly to real life, you need to have boundaries.

 

I can agree with a no porn/racism policy, but censoring language because it may not be suitable for work is taking it too far (imo). You're not supposed to be on personal sites during business, and i highly doubt an employer who lets you go on personal sites would care that the word "Fuck" is on it. 

[Woifi The Viking]

This is why making the calls is hard. What is a slight insult? Are there degrees of insults? How to establish them? This discussion is endless.

Either allow everything or block what one considers insulting. And there's no way to have a list of insults and their degrees compiled.

 

I see that consistence sometimes may be a problem, and believe me, we are trying our best to minimize it as much as possible. But as long as the human factor exists, there will never be perfection as the human itself is not perfect.

Yeah that's what I wanted to say. We have the same problem as a mod team.^^

 

I'm not offended by it. But yes, I'm defensive because I see all these arguments and claims without no supporting evidence. And I'll tackle every single one of them. If I have a problem with someone or with a site, I contact them/their owners to get an explanation/solution. I really don't think it's necessary to make a big fuss and announce it to everyone - this always end up in a flame war/trash talk.

The big reason why I'm against moderating things like this too hard is that it hurts your reputation even more. As in this thread, if we just would hide all their posts and forbid "shittalking" your bad reputation in their eyes will still remain and neutral people would tend to agree. But now you came here and questioned their claims and since they didn't show proof you look good and they look bad (the neutral people are in favour of you). I can understand that you don't like camping the bp.tf forums though.^^

[Blue Screen of Death]

When people would trash talk a wiki under my watch, instead of telling them that they cannot do such, I merely challenged their opinion. It is much more constructive to ask them why they hate something and why they are making fun of something and trying to tell them the good of that rather than just telling them they are not allowed to do something. If someone is making fun of bazaar, instead of saying you can't do that, why not ask them why they are doing such and then list the positives? I found that to be much more productive. If a user was bad mouthing the Glee wiki in our central chat, rather than telling them that they are not allowed to do that, I'd ask them why they do not like the wiki and tell them the many positive of the site such as their openness and creativity. No tolerance policies rarely work and will only cause backlash and more hate towards your site

 

That's fine if you have the time to do that. It's hard to do this when you have appeals, reports, forum moderation, other communities, investigations, bans, discussions, personal trades... to take care of.

 

Also, the great majority of times they are just insulting rants, not really constructive criticism. And life is full of no tolerance policies, i.e. law. I don't see why a website has to be different.

 

Bp.tf with its liberal policy is not exempt from all the hatred, which actually is as big as outpost's, if not larger. No community is immune to hatred, no matter what they do.

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

Also, the great majority of times they are just insulting rants, not really constructive criticism. And life is full of no tolerance policies, i.e. law. I don't see why a website has to be different.

 

Bp.tf with its liberal policy is not exempt from all the hatred, which actually is as big as outpost's, if not larger. No community is immune to hatred, no matter what they do.

Except it does help to allow them to make fools out of themselves as often it will help them understand better/realize they're horribly incorrect and need to stop talking. 

 

And the hatred towards bptf is quite obvious as there are tons of people who claim manipulation and crap like that, but look through the One and only Key price thread in the TF2 Economy Section, and you'll notice that almost all of the haters don't have a leg to stand on (and most happen to be poor and are just upset that they can't really afford a key). But, backpack.tf still allows them to talk shit about bptf since all that ends up happening is they make themselves look foolish. 

[Avenging Flame]

That's fine if you have the time to do that. It's hard to do this when you have appeals, reports, forum moderation, other communities, investigations, bans, discussions, personal trades... to take care of.

 

Also, the great majority of times they are just insulting rants, not really constructive criticism. And life is full of no tolerance policies, i.e. law. I don't see why a website has to be different.

 

Bp.tf with its liberal policy is not exempt from all the hatred, which actually is as big as outpost's, if not larger. No community is immune to hatred, no matter what they do.

 

With Wikia, I had forums, chat and irc to moderate, coding requests to get done, interwiki links to be made, css to fix, three facets of bans and appeals, multi wiki discussions to mediate, spammers to block and send to the specialized spam and vandalism task force as well as my home wiki to edit and moderate all while maintaining a personal life and putting myself through college, so if you are trying to say you have more to do than I did, you are mistaken.

 

I dealt with insulting rants as well, but in order to counter them, rather than just telling the person that they cannot say that, I challenged their idea and made them defend their hate. Putting someone on the spot like that will silence someone much quicker than just telling them they are breaking a rule.

 

Life may be full of no tolerance policies but if you can get by without using one, why not? The headaches will go down and your tolerance towards and from the community will go up

[Blue Screen of Death]

With Wikia, I had forums, chat and irc to moderate, coding requests to get done, interwiki links to be made, css to fix, three facets of bans and appeals, multi wiki discussions to mediate, spammers to block and send to the specialized spam and vandalism task force as well as my home wiki to edit and moderate all while maintaining a personal life and putting myself through college, so if you are trying to say you have more to do than I did, you are mistaken.

 

I never said anything, so please don't imply I'm trying to say anything. I said it's fine if you have time to do it. I don't. And that doesn't mean I do more or less than you do. It means we have separate lives with different demands and time management.

 

 

I dealt with insulting rants as well, but in order to counter them, rather than just telling the person that they cannot say that, I challenged their idea and made them defend their hate. Putting someone on the spot like that will silence someone much quicker than just telling them they are breaking a rule.

 

I just don't feel like I need to use my time to talk someone else's hatred towards another site. There are far more important issues to take care of than dealing with this, in my opinion. If one has a problem with a site they should contact that site instead. That's my approach to things. Other TF2OP or community mods/admins may feel differently, and it's their right to. Differences is what makes the world an interesting place.

 

 

Life may be full of no tolerance policies but if you can get by without using one, why not? The headaches will go down and your tolerance towards and from the community will go up

 

I will gladly discuss anything if done in a polite and constructive way. But I don't feel any obligation to talk and reason with someone insulting someone else's mother.

[Pyrocide]

...and im back. Love the 11 month old teething cries. 

 

BSOD, you make it out as though I have a personal beef with a particular mod that has done me wrong here. You are mistaken. I know exactly why liddo did what he did. He explained himself thoroughly and with concise answers. Continually asking me to provide proof of the "bad man who did wrong" will continually go unanswered as I do not have any proof because there is no "bad man." I simply brought into question the banning practices and inconsistencies within the TF2OP site's moderation team. I am speaking in a generalized manner over the compilations, of albeit past instances, of a bad mod(s), who you say were either not reported or were dealt with "accordingly". 

 

I have offered you constructive criticism, blanket ban or hide any and all insults. Common sense of a mature adult should and could dictate what is and is not an insult. Name calling, like as if we were in kindergarten, is an insult, calling someone a piece of shit waste of oxygen nigger parasite on society vs big mean poopie head vs maybe go fuck yourself are all insults in varying degree. Treat them the same. Quote from my ban page. Main Rule #2 No insults. We do not tolerate any kind of abusive language or general rude attitude towards any users. It even says NO INSULTS, has no mention of degree or whom its directed at etc. It just says NO INSULTS. It is just that simple. That was the entire point of this thread, then got derailed by others about bad mods and favoritism etc, which I'm still unsure as to why this was moved to General, but anyway.

 

If I have personally offended you, i apologize for it. I will not, however, recant my statements against TF2OP that there are flaws in the moderation team as a whole that need addressing. Consistency in bans and rule enforcement being my one true point here and now in this thread.

 

I still use OP as a source of entertainment at work as well as a trading site. Almost all of my trades have been done through OP as of late. Will i look past the issues I see? Sure. Will I continue to treat others with the same respect I have been given? You bet ya. Will I continue to use OP even after this thread has erupted into much more than I every intended it to become? Yup. Why you might ask, because I enjoy it. It doesn't bother me when someone insults me, because lets face it, its the fucking internet. Insults are words. Sticks and stones, mate. Grow some thicker skin and cry about it if that helps.

[Blue Screen of Death]

Will I continue to treat others with the same respect I have been given? You bet ya.

 

Glad to know your action is on the payback side. That certainly shows your care for the site rules.

 

 

I was going to address your recent posts, but then I see this:

 

If I have personally offended you, i apologize for it.

 

 Insults are words. Sticks and stones, mate. Grow some thicker skin and cry about it if that helps.

 

Contradictory, insulting and completely unnecessary. Way to go.

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

Contradictory, insulting and completely unnecessary. Way to go.

i don't believe his the latter quote ("insults are words....") was directed towards you, he's just saying that people need to learn to not be offended so easily. (I think)

[Alex From Security]

gettin good.

[Pyrocide]

Glad to know your action is on the payback side. That certainly show your care for the site rules.

 

 

I was going to address your recent posts, but then I see this:

 

 

 

Contradictory, insulting and completely unnecessary. Way to go.

 

Most of the time its not for payback at all. I am respectful of those that deserve respect. For instance, lets look at you for a moment. You came here not with an attitude, but with a defensive mission of discussing what I had said. Have at any point I offended you directly or told you to fuck off in any way shape or form? Not at all, or at least that is not how it was supposed to be taken. I respond to all of your inquiries that I can, in a non hostile way and give you as much feedback as possible. Now if long were to show up, for whatever reason, I probably would tell him to fuck off just because I lost all respect for the guy after this Key bullshit.

 

Contradictory? How so? I was referring to people on the internet that get hurt over insults. How can you possibly think that was directed at you. Please use the context of the sentence. I am not offended by words because I have a thick skin and realize the digital realm is meaningless on reality. I was not telling you to cry about it. You obviously have taken what I have said out of context and flipped it. 

 

EDIT: I also believe in equilibrium. Yin and Yang. etc. If I am treated with respect I to return it. I do not try and kill with kindness, if I don't like you I make it known. I didn't grow up in an all military house walking away from shit. You face it head on and deal with it. Sure I got my ass beat sometimes but I ended up getting respected for it. I still hold true to that whether I am on the street or talking about a website. While others might not think it wise to stand up to couple guys talking shit, I do. It is the principle of the matter in my eyes.

[JCapps]

May I throw in my two cents?

 

Looking back at LiddoJunior, perhaps he just became excited with his new duties? It happens. It happens to me too; how you are dedicated to administrating correctly, but end up being too overzealous and pick out the simplest things that in fact match the rules. They may meet the rules' criteria, but aren't necessarily...necessary. Eventually one would realize this and end up becoming more calm and professional.

 

P.S., thank you for the unban. :3

[Blue Screen of Death]

Most of the time its not for payback at all. I am respectful of those that deserve respect.

 

Everyone deserves respect in my opinion. I respect those who insult me. And I don't insult back. But again, people are different.

 

 

I am not offended by words because I have a thick skin and realize the digital realm is meaningless on reality. 

 

You should use your thicker skin next time then, and not insult people back. This would keep you away from bans and avoid the trash talk with no supporting evidence you originated.

 

 

Contradictory? How so? I was referring to people on the internet that get hurt over insults. How can you possibly think that was directed at you. Please use the context of the sentence. I am not offended by words because I have a thick skin and realize the digital realm is meaningless on reality. I was not telling you to cry about it. You obviously have taken what I have said out of context and flipped it. 

 

I didn't "flip" anything, your entire post was directed at me. Why would the last quote not be?

 

 

I already explained what you refer as "banning practices and inconsistencies within the TF2OP site's moderation team", and many have already understood what I've been trying to tell you, I don't think I'm making it too hard to understand.