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Outpost for the two hats. http://www.tf2outpos.../trade/28110245

New owner is Sgt.Bradley http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198095902384

 

Scorching Peak Deal:

 

Hat History for Scorching Patriots Peak. New seller is an experienced trader, top 200 backpack, so he obviously knew what it was worth and the upcoming all class update. He and other sellers were all asking for 1500 keys for the Scorching Peak on classified.

 

Classified ads - http://postimg.org/image/3ze6gyygx/

 

Bradley right off the bat was offered a GBH Antlers (700) and a Scorching Modest (320), and the Peak in the past has sold for much much more, and with talking to other buyers of the peak that they have offered 1400+ in unusuals for it.

 

Price Suggestion with recent sales for Scorching Patriots Peak - http://backpack.tf/suggestion/5738f7d8c440456a505099b5 Has sold for 1500 in unusuals in the past evidence, is in the suggestions.

 

DedAndrei Current Seller of Scorching Peak paid a Nebula Captain Space Man which is around 1500 keys.

 

http://postimg.org/image/5ydm1ao75/

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/573ee6be866747495f79c2a6 Evidence of Price in Suggestion

 

 

Oliver Oshawott: (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198027993554/) Victim Overview:

 

User has 5 trades on Outpost and four of them were from a year ago. He has no trading experience that would give knowledge on the price of the peak and had unboxed the peak himself.

 

Oliver’s backpack.tf:  http://backpack.tf/u/76561198027993554

 

Oliver’s Outpost: http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/76561198027993554

 

The Actual Trade:

 

Oliver traded the beak after the announcement of the Patriot Peak going all class.

The actual deal was the Scorching Patriots Peak for a Sunbeams Festivizer, Frostbite Cotton head, Morning Glory Marauder, and Strange Pro KS Awper Hand on 2016 4-06

 

 http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198027993554?time=1459900800 – Trade Deal

 

http://imgur.com/sr3X2bl - Trade occurred on April 6th which means there was no trade hold or else the time the trade completion would be shown to be fifteen days before April 6th. The trade date is a few weeks after the owner’s announcement on Facepunch, three days after the official update tag on the community workshop, and two days after the big TF2 Reddit thread announcement on the Patriots Peak going all class on r/tf2.

 

According to Oliver, Bradly was getting pushy and trying to make him sell it. Additionally, Bradley told him that the Patriot’s peak was 200 keys, and he was overpaying him for the peak.

http://postimg.org/image/w58qs9pc1/full/ Knowing Oliver was not a trader, Bradley fabricated the price and told him he was overpaying with inflated unusual such as the Frostbite cotton head. The other owners of scorching peaks were declining offers with ease in the 500 pure range.

http://postimg.org/image/xd20xzce9/full/Common trend that goes among new unboxers is that they do not want to sell your unusual. Bradley pulled the profit and virtual item card in order to convince him to let go of it.

Evidence Peak was going All Class

Creator of Peak Spacedad also known as Ikes announces Patriots Peak is going all class on the Facepunch/Tf 2 Emporium forums.

http://postimg.org/image/6kz3zukxt/full/

 

It was soon widely known the patriot’s peak was going all class shown in the TF 2 trade sub reddit

http://postimg.org/image/g0f0iqfb5/full/

http://postimg.org/image/iida3c16p/ March 24th people already knew it was going all class almost two weeks prior to the actual tag update in the workshop. Sharks were after this guy’s burning patriot peak too.

 

Creator of the Patriots Peak telling me that a decent amount of people knew the peak going to go all class prior to the workshop tag update on April 3rd.

http://postimg.org/image/vudfqhuyp/

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/4d8xtu/patriot_peak_updated_to_allclass_wow_another_team/  TF 2 Reddit Big Announcement on the 4th too.

No way could Bradley have not known about the all class update before the trade on the 6th.

 

Owner of Scorching Patriot’s Peak Evidence

Bradley contradicts himself

http://postimg.org/image/megjsmm0x/full/

The story isn’t straight he originally said both of the owners had trade holds which was shown not to be true in the actual trade date screenshot. He then goes back to saying he isn’t sure about if the scorching was on trade hold or not. He then goes onto say he acknowledges, he knew the scorching was going all class, but he quote on quote said “we made a deal before the hype, but when the hype just started we traded them.† This would only be true if he made the trade with the fifteen day trade hold, but there was none. He easily could have discovered there was hype when the other trades on outpost had owners declining five hundred key offers. Bradley also acknowledges that people offered five hundred pure keys for the beak during that time yet his meager excuse to give him the best of what he could is absorbed. He has a backpack worth thousands of keys, and he is getting an item with a definite profit as he could have just upped his offer to five hundred keys in unusuals and immediately resell for pure.

This reveals Bradley knew exactly how much the patriot was worth, and Bradley had said to me (in the screenshot) he told Oliver to choose what unusuals he wanted. How would Oliver know what to pick as he had no idea what the Patriot was worth? This is something a shark would do.  If Bradley had told him to pick the unusuals, his true motive was that Oliver would just chose the unusuals he liked regardless of the value and Bradley would be out with the Peak for cheap.

Deterred by the fact that Oliver did not want to sell the peak as it was his first unboxed unusual, Bradley pulled out the profit card. This is where he told Oliver that the Scorching Peak was worth two hundred keys, yet the ones on outpost were already getting way over five hundred keys in offers. He told him he would overpay and offered him inflated unusuals such as the Frostbite cotton head. He insisted he was making profit, and it did not matter that it was his first unbox since it was “virtual items.†Bradley had lied about the value of the peak, and had pressured Oliver to sell it. If Bradley truly didn’t know the Peak was going all class, he would have just made a simple upfront offer like any other normal collector would for the Peak.

http://postimg.org/image/wcuo015vl/  Bradley’s post on backpack.tf forums again goes against what he said to me. He posts that he was after the energy and burning peaks yet he wasn’t able to get them because of the all class hype increasing prices. Yet he saids he bought BOTH the beams and the scorching peaks before the hype. The deal was done on the 6th with no trade holds so that’s 3 days after the workshop tag update and a few weeks after the Facepunch forum post by the creator announcing it was going all class.  This contradicts what he saids to me on the chat we had. There was also enormous hype even before the tag update with the posts on Facepunch and members on r/tf2trade knowing about the future Patriot update and Scorching Patriots getting offers way above the five-hundred mark. Why would he have a reason to lie or make up things other than to cover up the sharking?

If Bradley had been such an avid collector of the peaks, how could he not have known it was going all class? This doesn’t add up at all; regular traders on r/tf2trade knew that the Patriots Peak was going all class, more than a week prior to the tag update in the steam workshop yet Bradley, who suddenly becomes interested in collecting peaks conveniently right when the creators announces the peak is going all class, is oblivious to this fact. This is extremely fishy as if he was a true collector, he would have done extensive research about the peaks. Such a big fact like the patriots peak going all class should not have been one that he missed especially since he spent so much time adding all the owners for the beams, energies, scorching, and burning peaks through backpack.tf premium to buy them.

His story is inconsistent and there are numerous holes in them. If he had truthfully bought it, and did not shark it the story would be easy to layout and he wouldn’t have had to go back on what he said so many times.

 

A report has been filed on outpost for this already.

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Investing isn't sharking. If you can't be arsed doing some basic research on your assets you don't deserve to get a good deal, simple as that.

 

At the time the hat was worth ~200 keys. Things changed now it's worth a lot. It's not your responsibility to go up to people and say "Hey I'm buying your hat cheap because it's going all-class dude" - even with tags changing and screenshots being uploaded nothing was certain - it wasn't all class. There was no guarantee it would go all-class so it shouldn't be treated that it is all-class. Then there's the fact that nobody knows how much it would be worth if it changed. There's no set price it has to be worth after it goes all-class, it's all speculation.

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Investing isn't sharking. If you can't be arsed doing some basic research on your assets you don't deserve to get a good deal, simple as that.

 

Maybe, but Outpost still has a rule against that. The same could be said about Venom, but it turned out like that.

 

Also lying about how much your unusuals are isn't okay, especially to a new user where he can easily get over five hundred pure and much much more in unusuals. An overinflated Cotton head, and two subpar mid tier unusuals + a Pro KS Strange Awper is no way shape or form better then 500 pure.

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Investing isn't sharking. If you can't be arsed doing some basic research on your assets you don't deserve to get a good deal, simple as that.

 

There's a difference between a legitimate investment and making huge profit off one's ignorance, the latter being sharking. Your rationale justifies sharking and makes it seem like an acceptable behavior-- where is the trading community headed if that's how we're going to think about it as human beings, let alone traders?

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There's a difference between a legitimate investment and making huge profit off one's ignorance, the latter being sharking. Your rationale justifies sharking and makes it seem like an acceptable behavior-- where is the trading community headed if that's how we're going to think about it as human beings, let alone traders?

 

If I invest without doing research or based on some idiot's opinionated advice I'm going to make a loss. Do I blame it on some guy's opinionated advice or do I blame it on myself for not going as far to even do a simple google search? There's a difference between completely misrepresenting the deal and investing on some info that not everyone knows.

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If I invest without doing research or based on some idiot's opinionated advice I'm going to make a loss. Do I blame it on some guy's opinionated advice or do I blame it on myself for not going as far to even do a simple google search? There's a difference between completely misrepresenting the deal and investing on some info that not everyone knows.

 

If a thirteen year old goes to a baseball card shop and opens a pack of cards, and gets a card. The card is worth $1000, but the shop owner convinces the 13 year old that it is 100$, and proves it by saying he wouldn't own a card shop for no reason. He then pressures him to sell it because the kid  would supposedly be making profit although this may not be illegal that is morally incorrect, and is in no way shape or form something that we should as a trading community support. 

 

EDIT: Also we have to keep in mind this guy may not be as old or as street smart as you. Every year millions of kids buy things that their favorite celebrity endorses. Look at Beats, there is much much more better headphones by the price, but they have such a strong brand and image  they are #1 in headphone industry. 

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Whether you think it's a shark or not, soap-boxing about it here isn't going to help. It's just going to make drama and have the complete opposite effect you want by getting you banned for starting-slash-stirring a shit-storm.

 

Go make an actual report.

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If a thirteen year old goes to a baseball card shop and opens a pack of cards, and gets a card. The card is worth $1000, but the shop owner convinces the 13 year old that it is 100$, and proves it by saying he wouldn't own a card shop for no reason. He then pressures him to sell it because the kid  would supposedly be making profit although this may not be illegal that is morally incorrect, and is in no way shape or form something that we should as a trading community support. 

 

EDIT: Also we have to keep in mind this guy may not be as old or as street smart as you do. Every year millions of kids buy things that their favorite celebrity endorses. Look at Beats, there is much much more better headphones by the price, but they have such a strong brand they are #1 in that industry. 

 

Except in this case the 'card' was not worth $1000 yet -- a better comparison would be a kid opening a $10 card that was rumored to be discontinued so the guy buys it for $10, then next month the rumors turn out to be real and it's worth $30. Yeah the kid didn't hear about the rumors but they were just rumors - there was no guarantee they were true.

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Except in this case the 'card' was not worth $1000 yet -- a better comparison would be a kid opening a $10 card that was rumored to be discontinued so the guy buys it for $10, then next month the rumors turn out to be real and it's worth $30. Yeah the kid didn't hear about the rumors but they were just rumors - there was no guarantee they were true.

 

True, but the thing is at the time he sold the Peak, people were offering 500 pure and much much more in unusuals yet still were swiftly denied by the other owners even prior to the actual update. 

 

Whether you think it's a shark or not, soap-boxing about it here isn't going to help. It's just going to make drama and have the complete opposite effect you want by getting you banned for starting-slash-stirring a shit-storm.

 

Go make an actual report.

 

True, I have made a report on OP already, but I think the purpose of this thread should be raising awareness about how sharking has it's consequences and that people will find out if you do.

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True, I have made a report on OP already, but I think the purpose of this thread should be raising awareness about how sharking has it's consequences and that people will find out if you do.

 

If it was just that it wouldn't be such a pointed attack on a particular individual.

If you want it to be that, make it that. We both know this isn't that.

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If I invest without doing research or based on some idiot's opinionated advice I'm going to make a loss. Do I blame it on some guy's opinionated advice or do I blame it on myself for not going as far to even do a simple google search? There's a difference between completely misrepresenting the deal and investing on some info that not everyone knows.

 

By that very same logic, sharking and some occurrences scamming are completely fine-- after all, you're not educating yourself about who you're trading with, right? By not everyone, you mean everyone who had a peak except this guy? Insider trading is one thing, attempting to justify making, again, profit off people's ignorance is a whole another. It's dishonest trading at its core, it reinforces misinformation  and condones deception. If we as a community are prioritizing a few hundred bucks profit over these things, perhaps we should take a closer look towards who we are.

If you're fine with deceiving people, misinforming them about what you're offering and shady stuff overall, so be it. Don't come and shove it down other people's throats, there are lots of things you can justify, but this is not one of them.

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If it was just that it wouldn't be such a pointed attack on a particular individual.

If you want it to be that, make it that. We both know this isn't that.

 

Well, either way it does bring awareness to it.

 

And it's pretty obvious it was a shark, it's pointless if we just file reports if they don't go through. There shouldn't be a reason not to show that there are consequences for sharking or let it be known your a sharker or else what would stop someone from doing the same thing over and over again. If the report doesn't go through, now they are not a shark by that logic, and they are free to continuing sharking. 

 

Everyone knew what Venom did, and as a result he reformed sort of into someone completely different. A moral report I should say. 

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I guess you should also report bobsplosion and tons of others too, bob bought tons of the patriot peaks prior to the update too and so did tons of other people to make profit, I don't see you reporting them, nor do I see you making tons of threads whining about these people.

 

 

Just take a look

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28040991

http://i.imgur.com/FpZegFV.png

 

why are you targeting just sgt. Bradley? I find it really suspicious that Bradley is the one you're specifically targeting, it seems more like you have some sort of hatred towards him.

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I guess you should also report bobsplosion and tons of others too, bob bought tons of the patriot peaks prior to the update too and so did tons of other people to make profit, I don't see you reporting them.

 

why are you targetting just sgt. Bradley? I find it really suspicious that Bradley is the one you're specifically targeting, it seems more like you have some sort of hatred towards him.

Maybe because Bradley also lied about the value of the peak and pressured him to sell. Why are you so persistent in harrasing me on the forums and on my profile page, just because he's on your friend's list dosen't give you the right to overlook this.

 

And just because others may/may not shark dosen't mean I should ignore this instance. By that logic, I shoudn't report X scammer because there are other scammers.

 

I even made an attempt to talk to Bradley and see if we could come to an agreement with the peak, but he pretty much laughed in my face and said good luck with that.

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Maybe because Bradley also lied about the value of the peak and pressured him to sell. Why are you so persistent in harrasing me on the forums and on my profile page, just because he's on your friend's list dosen't give you the right to overlook this.

 

And just because others may/may not shark dosen't mean I should ignore this instance. By that logic, I shoudn't report X scammer because there are other scammers.

 

I even made an attempt to talk to Bradley and see if we could come to an agreement with the peak, but he pretty much laughed in my face and said good luck with that.

Ah, it all makes sense now. You're butthurt that he would not take your offer on his Patriot Peak and instead of accepting that it's worth a bit more now it is all class you begin to attack him, stalk him and call him out etc. You are literally insane.

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Ah, it all makes sense now. You're butthurt that he would not take your offer on his Patriot Peak and instead of accepting that it's worth a bit more now it is all class you begin to attack him, stalk him and call him out etc. You are literally insane.

I don't even have 1500 keys worth of unusuals in my backpack. I cashed out last summer...

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I even made an attempt to talk to Bradley and see if we could come to an agreement with the peak, but he pretty much laughed in my face and said good luck with that.

 

I don't even have 1500 keys worth of unusuals in my backpack. I cashed out last summer....

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True, but the thing is at the time he sold the Peak, people were offering 500 pure and much much more in unusuals yet still were swiftly denied by the other owners even prior to the actual update. 

 

 

True, I have made a report on OP already, but I think the purpose of this thread should be raising awareness about how sharking has it's consequences and that people will find out if you do.

I don't see how this tells people about "consequences" about sharking. Obviously people will find out, in one way or another. Just like scammer alts get caught. The odds that people see this thread and say "Oh this is true, let me not because some random dude on the internet" told me to is very low. You caught one person, doesn't mean you can catch the rest. Of course I think this isn't sharking, but it is up for opinion. Like Aeropa said, It's investing. The hat was priced 200 keys, and "hype" doesn't add anything to the price, if I recall correctly.

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I don't see how this tells people about "consequences" about sharking. Obviously people will find out, in one way or another. Just like scammer alts get caught. The odds that people see this thread and say "Oh this is true, let me not because some random dude on the internet" told me to is very low. You caught one person, doesn't mean you can catch the rest. Of course I think this isn't sharking, but it is up for opinion. Like Aeropa said, It's investing. The hat was priced 200 keys, and "hype" doesn't add anything to the price, if I recall correctly.

It's not sharking, just because a hat was rumoured to go all class doesn't mean it will become true, valve has to accept it.

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It's not sharking, just because a hat was rumoured to go all class doesn't mean it will become true, valve has to accept it.

Exactly what I'm saying.

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Anyhow, I truely believe that A ninja is trying to make sgt. Bradley feel guilty so he can buy it from him for a cheap price. Why else would he specifically be targeting Bradley after even ADMITTING that he tried to offer on it (I quoted him so he couldn't erase the comment)

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I don't see how this thread can go anywhere productive, and it's already getting full of personal attacks. Closing. If you suspect a genuine shark, report it with evidence.

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