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  1. 1. Presidential Candidates

    • Martin O'Malley
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    • Hillary Clinton
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    • Bernie Sanders
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    • Jeb Bush
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    • Ben Carson
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    • Chris Christie
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    • Ted Cruz
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    • Carly Fiorina
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    • Rand Paul
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    • John Kasich
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    • Marco Rubio
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    • Donald Trump
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I think given the choice, Obama would have gone for a single-payer health care plan which is really what we need. The Affordable Care Act isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we had. 

 

 

A bit, but Bernie gets all the youth, which is likely most of this forum so I'm not shocked.

I feel like Trump would be getting most of the youth 'cause he's a danke meme

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I feel like Trump would be getting most of the youth 'cause he's a danke meme

Young people tend to be more radical. Trump is the far right of the current spectrum in the US and Bernie is the far left. Or that's what I think at least, I only follow U.S. politics on a surface level to be honest.

 

Don't really have a personal favourite, not that I would be able to vote anyway. Probably Clinton, because she appears to want to do what Obama did and Obama is pretty cool

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I think given the choice, Obama would have gone for a single-payer health care plan which is really what we need. The Affordable Care Act isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we had. 

 

From what my american contacts have told me about the health care act in the states, the biggest problem I see in it is that it requires you to be on it, whether you can afford it or not, and if you are unable to, you get fined, which is somewhat counter intuitive.

 

But then again, from what I have also heard from my american contacts, the very idea of having a health care system that would be mainly funded though increased taxes seems to not be too popular of an idea either, which is unfortunate since in Canada that is how our healthcare system is run. True, it's not entirely perfect since we still have to pay from pocket for any major surgery/procedure, and our wait times are longer as a result, but at the same time, at least medical services such as doctor checkups or certain prescriptions can be fully paid for by the government, and if you happen to need to go to emergency for anything, you don't have to worry about how much it will cost you once you are good to go, since it doesn't cost you.

 

As a type one diabetic of 16 years, I'm glad I live in Canada and not in the states; without the services here, I would end up having to pay near $1000+ a month just on medical supplies alone if it wasn't for a majority of my meds being covered by tax funded services.

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From what my american contacts have told me about the health care act in the states, the biggest problem I see in it is that it requires you to be on it, whether you can afford it or not, and if you are unable to, you get fined, which is somewhat counter intuitive.

 

But then again, from what I have also heard from my american contacts, the very idea of having a health care system that would be mainly funded though increased taxes seems to not be too popular of an idea either, which is unfortunate since in Canada that is how our healthcare system is run. True, it's not entirely perfect since we still have to pay from pocket for any major surgery/procedure, and our wait times are longer as a result, but at the same time, at least medical services such as doctor checkups or certain prescriptions can be fully paid for by the government, and if you happen to need to go to emergency for anything, you don't have to worry about how much it will cost you once you are good to go, since it doesn't cost you.

 

As a type one diabetic of 16 years, I'm glad I live in Canada and not in the states; without the services here, I would end up having to pay near $1000+ a month just on medical supplies alone if it wasn't for a majority of my meds being covered by tax funded services.

 

A single payer system would save us (both the government and individual citizens) a ton of money and still keep everyone covered. Obamacare doesn't prevent the private insurance companies from jacking up costs and stripping down policies, and millions of people remain uncovered. There are a lot of benefits to a single-payer, but Americans don't support it because it's really a socialist policy. 

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I'm from Europe brah. I doubt you even can name three current politicians from here. 

 

Typical words from a liberal. Throwing around words like bigotry, racism, sexism, homophobia without any context what so ever.

Hahah now you are generalizing all liberals, get a grip. Your comment was not only stupid, it was racist. I can't say I expected more from you but even this is a letdown.

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Hahah now you are generalizing all liberals, get a grip. Your comment was not only stupid, it was racist. I can't say I expected more from you but even this is a letdown.

 

lol, again something, something racism. You proved my point. And if you really think that the first comment you replied to was racist, get a grip.   

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I opened a fresh tab of google to do a search but when I just got done typing the word "republicans" one of the suggestions was "republicans for bernie". Looks like there's a number of republican voters who really don't like what they're seeing this time around.

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Socialism is what we have in France. I don't know if american people want a president like François Hollande... but you shall not.

 

Huge tax increase.

High unemployment rate (25% among the young people).

Industry and agriculture sectors are being devastated.

Huge increase of public debt.

Huge increase in both legal and illegal immigration.

Huge increase of social security debt with a lot of drug delistings.

Increase in delinquency and crime.

Forces of law are overcharged and angry against permissive penal policies.

Subsidisation of islamist associations and mosques.

Impoverishment of instruction with higher means.

Gay marriage and legalization of children adoption by homosexuals.

Surveillance program of all numeric information without judicial authorization (~Patriot Act).

Political censorship of websites and social networks (facebook, twitter, youtube...).

Foreign policy aligned on NATO's line.

Huge quantitative easing monetary policy left to the European Central Bank.

Insolvent banks can now be bailed out with money from their clients/savers.

Free trade agreement with USA being negociated by the European Union in a total silence.

Expensive and unfair wars in the world.

Increase of state spendings (representatives pensions, bonus, etc).

State propaganda (falsification of national figures : unemployment, delinquency, etc).

Impunity of many political persons that are convincend of fraud, corruption, etc.

Falsified asset declaration of the french president and many of his ministers and secretaries.

Threat of democratic elections prohibition (state of emergency, political prohibition of sovereigntist parties).

Deterioration of political climate, feeling of pre-civil war.

 

The only miracle François Hollande was capable of, was to make the french people miss their former president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

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As a type one diabetic of 16 years, I'm glad I live in Canada and not in the states; without the services here, I would end up having to pay near $1000+ a month just on medical supplies alone if it wasn't for a majority of my meds being covered by tax funded services.

 

^ This so much

 

I've been seriously sick and needed surgery. Not once did I have to give any thought  as to how I was going to pay for it.  Just show up at whatever hospital you choose, show your healthcare card, everything is taken care of. No weird loopholes,everything is covered.  I don't understand how some people think that's not a good system.  The last thing you worry about when you get sick should be how you pay for it.  

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That was very smart of him to do. He posted incorrect stats so the media had to acknowledge the problem by "correcting" him. Wasn't it off by only a few percents too?

 

... yes, indeed. writing 16% where it should be 80%, that's only a few percents off ...  At least, that's what I tried to tell my parents when I came home with an F for a test.

 

Those numbers are horribly wrong, and I'm not quite sure if spredding (or even believing) incorrect neo-nazi propaganda (which is were the numbers came from) is "very smart". Everyone of his supporters that didn't spot the lie, now has to look into the mirror, and ask themselves why they so readily believe neo nazi lies ...

 

 

 

I've been seriously sick and needed surgery. Not once did I have to give any thought as to how I was going to pay for it

yup. me too (well, not yet surgery, but I've been quite sick a few times (the 'lest skip the doctor & immediately go to the hospital' kind)

... oh, and I had my wisdom teeth pulled.

 

 

also important: my doctor is the one closest to my home - not the closest one approved by my ensurance company or something

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Socialism is what we have in France. I don't know if american people want a president like François Hollande... but you shall not.

 

Huge tax increase.

High unemployment rate (25% among the young people).

Industry and agriculture sectors are being devastated.

Huge increase of public debt.

Huge increase in both legal and illegal immigration.

Huge increase of social security debt with a lot of drug delistings.

Increase in delinquency and crime.

Forces of law are overcharged and angry against permissive penal policies.

Subsidisation of islamist associations and mosques.

Impoverishment of instruction with higher means.

Gay marriage and legalization of children adoption by homosexuals.

Surveillance program of all numeric information without judicial authorization (~Patriot Act).

Political censorship of websites and social networks (facebook, twitter, youtube...).

Foreign policy aligned on NATO's line.

Huge quantitative easing monetary policy left to the European Central Bank.

Insolvent banks can now be bailed out with money from their clients/savers.

Free trade agreement with USA being negociated by the European Union in a total silence.

Expensive and unfair wars in the world.

Increase of state spendings (representatives pensions, bonus, etc).

State propaganda (falsification of national figures : unemployment, delinquency, etc).

Impunity of many political persons that are convincend of fraud, corruption, etc.

Falsified asset declaration of the french president and many of his ministers and secretaries.

Threat of democratic elections prohibition (state of emergency, political prohibition of sovereigntist parties).

Deterioration of political climate, feeling of pre-civil war.

 

The only miracle François Hollande was capable of, was to make the french people miss their former president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

 

 

 

What's wrong with the bolded one?

 

Also just because a country has socialist policies, doesn't mean they'll be identical to the ones listed here (assuming these are actually bad, I'm not educated enough on all these topics). Seems like you might just have a shitty president.

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On the one hand I'm glad that 95% of the people here can't actually vote. On the other hand, a lot of these people represent the future of our country and some of this probably represents the opinion of their parents.

 

We're so fucked....

 

Say what you want about Bernie and his ideas, he's just not electable. He refuses to choose a word other than "socialism" and he'll never get elected using that term.

 

Except a recent poll shows Sanders pummeling Trump.  51% to 38%   Hillary is at 47% to 40%

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Except a recent poll shows Sanders pummeling Trump.  51% to 38%   Hillary is at 47% to 40%

 

Well, I'm just saying that in the general elections in the end, I don't think there's any chance in the world that Trump, Rubio, or Sanders get elected. Besides Hillary, I could see Ted Cruz (even though the way he speaks drives me bonkers) and maybe Jeb Bush having a chance. 

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... yes, indeed. writing 16% where it should be 80%, that's only a few percents off ...  At least, that's what I tried to tell my parents when I came home with an F for a test.

 

Those numbers are horribly wrong, and I'm not quite sure if spredding (or even believing) incorrect neo-nazi propaganda (which is were the numbers came from) is "very smart".

 

Blacks killed by whites       2%                        8%                       

Whites killed by whites     16%                      82%

 

Whites killed by blacks     81%                      15%

 

Blacks killed by blacks     97%                      90%

 

Both of these statistics are terrible and both show there is a problem. Because he put in the wrong numbers even you had to acknowledge the fact there is a problem. (Left side is what Trump posted, right side is FBI statistics.) 

 

 

neo-nazi propaganda

Lol

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Socialism is what we have in France. I don't know if american people want a president like François Hollande... but you shall not.

 

Huge tax increase.

High unemployment rate (25% among the young people).

Industry and agriculture sectors are being devastated.

Huge increase of public debt.

Huge increase in both legal and illegal immigration.

Huge increase of social security debt with a lot of drug delistings.

Increase in delinquency and crime.

Forces of law are overcharged and angry against permissive penal policies.

Subsidisation of islamist associations and mosques.

Impoverishment of instruction with higher means.

Gay marriage and legalization of children adoption by homosexuals.

Surveillance program of all numeric information without judicial authorization (~Patriot Act).

Political censorship of websites and social networks (facebook, twitter, youtube...).

Foreign policy aligned on NATO's line.

Huge quantitative easing monetary policy left to the European Central Bank.

Insolvent banks can now be bailed out with money from their clients/savers.

Free trade agreement with USA being negociated by the European Union in a total silence.

Expensive and unfair wars in the world.

Increase of state spendings (representatives pensions, bonus, etc).

State propaganda (falsification of national figures : unemployment, delinquency, etc).

Impunity of many political persons that are convincend of fraud, corruption, etc.

Falsified asset declaration of the french president and many of his ministers and secretaries.

Threat of democratic elections prohibition (state of emergency, political prohibition of sovereigntist parties).

Deterioration of political climate, feeling of pre-civil war.

 

The only miracle François Hollande was capable of, was to make the french people miss their former president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

 

Need I say more?

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Well, I'm just saying that in the general elections in the end, I don't think there's any chance in the world that Trump, Rubio, or Sanders get elected. Besides Hillary, I could see Ted Cruz (even though the way he speaks drives me bonkers) and maybe Jeb Bush having a chance. 

 If Rubio got the nomination, he would crush Hilary :P

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Socialism is what we have in France. I don't know if american people want a president like François Hollande... but you shall not.

 

Huge tax increase.

High unemployment rate (25% among the young people).

Industry and agriculture sectors are being devastated.

Huge increase of public debt.

Huge increase in both legal and illegal immigration.

Huge increase of social security debt with a lot of drug delistings.

Increase in delinquency and crime.

Forces of law are overcharged and angry against permissive penal policies.

Subsidisation of islamist associations and mosques.

Impoverishment of instruction with higher means.

Gay marriage and legalization of children adoption by homosexuals.

Surveillance program of all numeric information without judicial authorization (~Patriot Act).

Political censorship of websites and social networks (facebook, twitter, youtube...).

Foreign policy aligned on NATO's line.

Huge quantitative easing monetary policy left to the European Central Bank.

Insolvent banks can now be bailed out with money from their clients/savers.

Free trade agreement with USA being negociated by the European Union in a total silence.

Expensive and unfair wars in the world.

Increase of state spendings (representatives pensions, bonus, etc).

State propaganda (falsification of national figures : unemployment, delinquency, etc).

Impunity of many political persons that are convincend of fraud, corruption, etc.

Falsified asset declaration of the french president and many of his ministers and secretaries.

Threat of democratic elections prohibition (state of emergency, political prohibition of sovereigntist parties).

Deterioration of political climate, feeling of pre-civil war.

 

The only miracle François Hollande was capable of, was to make the french people miss their former president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

 

I know the situation in France hasn't been good.  However, let's not call these problems intrinsic to a socialist government.  That would be like saying "The US follows a capitalist model and has a big problem with mass shootings and gun violence.  Ergo, these problems are intrinsic to capitalism." We know that they are not however, you can't find the same levels of gun violence in any other similarly developed capitalist societies.  

 

Most people from the US would call us socialist, and we have none of the problems that France has (let's be sure, we have problems, but they aren't the ones on this list).  I'm thinking particularly of the immigrant problem.  I grew up in Germany, so I'm very familiar with these tensions.  I don't think there's anyone I grew up with in Germany who doesn't have some story of confrontation with a group of immigrants unfortunately.  Here in Canada however, we do not have these tensions, at least not nearly to the same degree.  Consider that when Syrian refugees began arriving here, there were masses of people greeting them at the airport to show their support for their struggle.  The huge difference is that most European countries put poor immigrants and refugees in what are essentially concentrated ghettos, whereas Canada makes an effort to spread refugees and immigrants right across the entire country, so that these types of ghettos can't begin to exists and integration starts right away. 

 

Need I say more?

 

See my point above, those are France's problems, not socialism's problems.  Look at countries like Canada or Sweden, they are much better examples of functioning socialism (at least currently). 

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I know the situation in France hasn't been good.  However, let's not call these problems intrinsic to a socialist government.  That would be like saying "The US follows a capitalist model and has a big problem with mass shootings and gun violence.  Ergo, these problems are intrinsic to capitalism." We know that they are not however, you can't find the same levels of gun violence in any other similarly developed capitalist societies.  

 

Most people from the US would call us socialist, and we have none of the problems that France has (let's be sure, we have problems, but they aren't the ones on this list).  I'm thinking particularly of the immigrant problem.  I grew up in Germany, so I'm very familiar with these tensions.  I don't think there's anyone I grew up with in Germany who doesn't have some story of confrontation with a group of immigrants unfortunately.  Here in Canada however, we do not have these tensions, at least not nearly to the same degree.  Consider that when Syrian refugees began arriving here, there were masses of people greeting them at the airport to show their support for their struggle.  The huge difference is that most European countries put poor immigrants and refugees in what are essentially concentrated ghettos, whereas Canada makes an effort to spread refugees and immigrants right across the entire country, so that these types of ghettos can't begin to exists and integration starts right away. 

 

 

See my point above, those are France's problems, not socialism's problems.  Look at countries like Canada or Sweden, they are much better examples of functioning socialism (at least currently). 

Sweden really isn't socialist, they just have socialized healthcare.

 

Edit: Im really talking about their economy, not their government.

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Sweden really isn't socialist, they just have socialized healthcare.

 

Edit: Im really talking about their economy, not their government.

 

Hmm, not sure if I would agree with that.  When socialism is brought up, it's generally the nordic European nations that are held as the shining example of the system working.  But it's not pure socialism by any means.  The market for the most part still operates on the capitalist model.  It's just that certain things, like healthcare, are state owned and administered which is obviously socialist in nature.   It's the same way in Canada.  We have programs that are decidedly socialist in nature, but our economy operates at it's core on capitalist principle.  Our government however exerts more control over the private sector, which is btw a large part of the reason why Canada didn't experience nearly the same kind of economic depression the States did.  We have more controls over our banking sector for example, which is why they weren't able to hand out $500,000 mortgages to Highschool teachers. 

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Need I say more?

Almost every single one of those points applies to the Netherlands as well and we outed the socialists and put the Liberals (and sort of failed wannabe socialists) in charge. Point being, those things are much more attributable to the economical crisis and geopolitical situation than they are to whatever party is in charge.

 

The only things of that list that don't really apply to us are gay marriage (which we already had and I really don't understand how it is viewed as a bad thing) and a few of his unfunded claims on lack of democracy

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Alright, enough is enough. People need to stop worrying about Trump's dumbass domestic policy, and whether or not illegal immigrants are illegal, etc. and start focusing on what really matters, his economic policies. Enough mudslinging and focus on what is actually an issue.

 

He plans to cut the tax bracket for the wealthier brackets from ~39% to ~25%, and quadruple the EITC (among with other policies that I don't have the time to go into here). Now, this may seem relatively good on the surface. The EITC is a very useful program for those in need, and is less exploitable for those who attempt to take advantage of welfare. However, things get ugly very quickly. To put this into put this into perspective, Jeb Bush has a much more moderate strategy, including a cut down to 28%. His however, also includes various actually impactful counter-cuts, raises, etc that I won't go into here, but keep in mind he wishes to double the EITC. His plan would reduce revenues buy an estimated 13.5% (Many billion dollars). In comparison, however, Donald Trump's policies are projected as 40% more expensive than Bush's (With a estimated 82% cut to the national budget as a result).

 

However, this is not including his plans to deport all illegal immigrants, which has a projected cost of several billion dollars, along with a dismal success chance. In addition, this is not factoring into account his follow-up to also deport the children of immigrants (Illegally, as they would be considered American citizens). The "wall" proposed would also cost many millions of dollars.

 

Alright? Stop debating the morality of him deporting people and being racist, and start discussing the concrete issues that he is proposing.

 

Also this is why I choose Rubio. Only plans to cut down to 35%, and is a big fan of the EITC (Along with internet privacy too which is a nice bonus).

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and that bad?  McDonalds profit margin can easily absorb paying their employees $12 an hour with benefits.  If you want to argue in favor of their profit I will argue that no nation or group of people exist for the benefit of corporations.  That feel a little like slavery to me.  We are a nation of people not a nation of corporations. 

 

 

Im not against raising the minimum wage but people really need to stop thinking that raising minimum wage is actually a good thing. Raising minimum wage, yes you get "more" money but that doesnt mean your purchasing power increases (i.e. you have more on paper but you situation doesnt change) and typically raising it especially at such a substantial amount if anything will cause more problems.

 

1) If minimum wage doubled companies wont employ the same amount of people they will lay off a large amount whilst increasing the workload for those still on the job.

2) A high minimum wage is detrimental to the manufacturing sector and is also the reason why many companies simply outsource things overseas. Worth noting that America is already barely keeping up...

3) All increased costs in the end are passed back to the consumer anyways, many people seem to think something along the lines of: I'm making 5$ now and 1 loaf of bread is 5$ if it doubles then I can get 2 loafs of bread which is just not true. The cost of production increases for them to make the loaf and it will increase proportionally.

4) It will literally destroy local businesses who already have trouble competing against global giants.

 

The point of increasing minimum wage is basically economic stimulus because workers feel like they "have more" they can spend more in the economy which then leads to companies hiring even more people...etc However that is a horribly short term view and in the long run does more damage than good not to mention it doesnt do much for poverty at all.

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