CISA

[Python.]

No posts about this lead me to believe it slipped right under your noses

 

That's exactly what congress wanted

 

Basically it lets companies online share your information with the government

What you message, buy, sell, search, including the important stuff like SS, username/passwords (maybe), phone numbers, addresses, whatever.

Basically, it's Big Brother on a cybernet scale

 

It's a scummy thing to do, and congress has already passed it under our fucking noses

 

Petition to vote no here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/veto-budget-bill-cisa-law-it(requires e-mail varification)

 

[Weedoof]

I really hope people start supporting this as much as they do kicking out Trump or getting rid of escrow. This is a lot more important than either of those will ever be.

[Дебра]

passwords

Any website worth their crap don't even store passwords.

 

Rest of that is 100% fine as far as I'm concerned, if it's used for legitimate reasons that is.

Would you rather ISIS bomb you or have the police know what your reddit throwaway is called?

[Python.]

Any website worth their crap don't even store passwords.

 

Rest of that is 100% fine as far as I'm concerned, if it's used for legitimate reasons that is.

Would you rather ISIS bomb you or have the police know what your reddit throwaway is called?

 

Yeah totally ISIS bombings are a huge problem here. Yeah totally everything is sent to the police. Yeah totally gonna be used for legitimate reasons

It's sent to the NSA, law enforcement, and FBI. What they do with it is up for speculation. If they have ANY inclination you're up to no good, they can have your information handed to them

This shit sucks. 

[The Penguins]

Any website worth their crap don't even store passwords.

 

Rest of that is 100% fine as far as I'm concerned, if it's used for legitimate reasons that is.

Would you rather ISIS bomb you or have the police know what your reddit throwaway is called?

There was a very good debate and an exchange between two people in debate once.

 

One man said: "If you're doing nothing wrong, why should you care if the government monitors it?"

Another man countered: "Why should the government be monitoring me if I'm doing nothing wrong?" 

[Дебра]

Yeah totally ISIS bombings are a huge problem here. Yeah totally everything is sent to the police. Yeah totally gonna be used for legitimate reasons

It's sent to the NSA, law enforcement, and FBI. What they do with it is up for speculation. If they have ANY inclination you're up to no good, they can have your information handed to them

This shit sucks. 

 

Why exactly shouldn't they have access to your online alias and other information that can help with an investigation though? Do you really think the FBI care about what porn you fap to or what games you buy if it doesn't directly effect an investigation?

[[Unactive Account]]

 

It's sent to the NSA, law enforcement, and FBI. What they do with it is up for speculation. If they have ANY inclination you're up to no good, they can have your information handed to them

 

Canada has a similar thing. Bill C-51. Basically allows CSIS (canada's counter terrorist agency) to go through private information, online posts to be censored, and basically puts controversial restrictions on everyday stuff. Unfortunately it was passed by the Conservatives and will stay active for a long time.  

[funkle]

I dont see the problem here tbh. The government already has most if not all pieces of your personal information anyway. Businesses and companies still arent sharing the info with anyone other than the people who already have it. All this is doing is looking at buying and selling habits really. That along with keeping an eye on where your information is coming from and what's changing about it. That's what Im reading here, anyway. If anyone wants to link me to more information about it I'd be happy to read into this. 

[scout608]

There was a very good debate and an exchange between two people in debate once.

 

One man said: "If you're doing nothing wrong, why should you care if the government monitors it?"

Another man countered: "Why should the government be monitoring me if I'm doing nothing wrong?" 

but there are people who ARE doing things wrong, so if you aren't doing anything wrong then it would technically only benefit you

[Chilled Soda]

I don't live in the USA, does this effect me? (I'm assuming not, but since a majority of sites are on american .com url's, my info is still stored...)

[funkle]

I don't live in the USA, does this effect me? (I'm assuming not, but since a majority of sites are on american .com url's, my info is still stored...)

Unless youre trying to commit some sort of online crime or move to the US, I wouldn't think so.

[Chilled Soda]

Unless youre trying to commit some sort of online crime or move to the US, I wouldn't think so.

I don't plan on doing any of those things. Thanks for info.

 

OT: your sig made me chuckle.

[The Penguins]

but there are people who ARE doing things wrong, so if you aren't doing anything wrong then it would technically only benefit you

How could be spied on if I'm doing nothing wrong benefit me? If I look at the poster correctly, it applies to everyone. If it was just people who were reasonably suspicious, then sure it would benefit me because it would go after the "bad" guys. But here it's a broad surveillance of everyone, how does it help me?  

[Hyperqube]

and ... I'm sure they'll stop doing it once ISIS is beaten ...

 

 

 

Nutshell: police and such shouldn't be surveilling people because it's possible they will do something wrong - they should be surveilling people because the've got probabaly cause.

[funkle]

How could be spied on if I'm doing nothing wrong benefit me? If I look at the poster correctly, it applies to everyone. If it was just people who were reasonably suspicious, then sure it would benefit me because it would go after the "bad" guys. But here it's a broad surveillance of everyone, how does it help me?  

You make it sound like the government has the time and resources to target specific people on the internet, the most accessible form of technology these days pretty much. How does it harm you if you're not doing anything wrong? Why are there cops on the road in I'm not speeding? Why are there security guards at the mall if I'm not planning on stealing anything? It's not all about what you're doing, it's about what anyone in general could do.

But yeah, agreeing with Hyperqube here. Once groups like ISIS are brought down I'm sure things like this back off more. But with ISIS creating fake passports, fake IDs, and fake anything these days, it can't hurt to have more information fed through more filters and having more people able to see some of this information. However, if there are leaks or more thefts through this CISA thing I can see it becoming more of an issue than what it was intended to be.

[Hyperqube]

But yeah, agreeing with Hyperqube here. Once groups like ISIS are brought down I'm sure things like this back off more.

 

You ... kind of missed the sarcasm of my first sentence. Realise that there will always be a next threat. if it isn't ISIS, it's gonna be the next Al Quada, if it isn't Al Quada, it's the next KKK (to give an example of domistic terrorism), etc ...

 

when I said,

 

I'm sure they'll stop doing it once ISIS is beaten

 

I was refering to that: there is a huge difference between "Once ISIS is brought down" and "Once groups like ISIS are brought down". Will they stop when ISIS is brought down? or will they never stop, because of the "next threat"?

 

 

The echo's of the Patriot Act are still present in U.S. laws. Why would this bill be different?

[funkle]

 -cut-

Yeah, my bad lol. I was just getting home from work when I read that. But still, the chances it stays in effect with as big of a presence as it has now is slim. I don't think we're going to have a threat as big as ISIS either for a long time after they're gone. But at the same time, if this does work well it could stick around for a while.