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show any actual evidence of turkey fighting isis

 

attempting to genocide turkmen, kurds, and other ethnic groups is not fighting isis

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show any actual evidence of turkey fighting isis

 

attempting to genocide turkmen, kurds, and other ethnic groups is not fighting isis

 

Why would Turkey want to commit genocide against Turkmen? The country was founded by Turkoman refugees (Osman/Ertugrul being the most famous) fleeing the Mongol Horde.

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world economics at wartime dumbed down:

Suppose a barrel of oil costs $50 to pump up, and is usually sold for $100.

  • Suppose ISIS needs money (being at war and all), and thus needs to sell it's oil quickly. it decides to sell it for $70. It now has $20 bucks to use to wage war.
  • Suppose Turkey needs money (being at war and all), and thus is able to buy a barrel of oil for $70 instead of $100. It now has $30 bucks it doesn't need to spend on oil, but can use it to wage war.

 

show any actual evidence of turkey fighting isis

 

Well, I'm not gonna adress what turkey says it does, as you'll probbably not gonna believe that ...

 

How about the fact that turkey allows the US to use it's airbases specifically to conduct airstrikes against the ISIS? You're gonna argue the US is lying about that?

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Well, I'm not gonna adress what turkey says it does, as you'll probbably not gonna believe that ...

 

How about the fact that turkey allows the US to use it's airbases specifically to conduct airstrikes against the ISIS? You're gonna argue the US is lying about that?

 

 

erdogan also said that he will resign if russia provides evidence of turkey buying oil from isis sources

 

is that actually happening? people lie, politicians lie, globalists lie

the loyalties and motives of governments are not always what they say at press confrences

 

why does anyone "allow" the us to conduct military action from their countries

its not simply because they are alligned with the united states

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But no one talks about Russia and France bombing syrian cities with no ISIS population in them

Ok den

 

one does not excuse the other

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is that actually happening? people lie, politicians lie, globalists lie

 

Shees, tin foiled hat much?

 

You asked for evidence. I not only give you evidence confirmed by turkey, but also by the US, and now you're gonna try and pull the card that whoever confims the evidence might be lying. OF COURSE people might be lying; but if you're gonna assume that, what the heck kind of evidence you expect???? A ticket to turkey, and a free ride in the plane departing from it's airbase and bombing ISIS????

 

If you're gonna assume "people lie, politicians lie, globalists lie", well, you're not even going to be able to prove ISIS exists in the first place. it could be the gov & media lying to us.

 

 

Here. Wikipedia.

 

The first squadron was the 510th Fighter Squadron deployed from Aviano Air Base with General Dynamics F-16C Fighting Falcons from 9 August 2015.[14] On 15 October 2015, 12 Fairchild A-10C Thunderbolt IIs were deployed to Incirlik to replace the 6 F-16Cs deployed in August.[15] On November 6, 2015, 6 x McDonnell Douglas F-15C Eagles from the 48th Fighter Wing (48th FW) departed the American-run RAF Lakenheath for Incirlik[16] suspected to be from the based 493d Expeditionary Fighter Squadron.[citation needed] On November 12, 2015 6 x McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagles arrived there[17] suspected to be from the 492d Expeditionary Fighter Squadron from the 48th FW.[citation needed]

 

You're gonna cliam they're lying? Well, provide the evidence they are or STFU.

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i never said theres no us military operating out of turkey

the us military using its power to operate out of another country does not mean that the country is conducting the united states' military actions

 

 

i said that the turkish government says things and does the opposite as proven by russias evidence of them funding isis through oil trade

 

which strengthens putins claims that turkey sees isis as an ally

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i never said theres no us military operating out of turkey

the us military using its power to operate out of another country does not mean that the country is conducting the united states' military actions

 

Really, quotes like that pretty much show how oblivious you are to international politics.

 

You think U.S. fighters are just allowed into turkish airspace? They are not. For instance, the jets that use that airport are allowed to be used to attack ISIS, but not to provide the Kurds (who also fight ISIS) with air support (seeing as the Turks also fight the Kurds)

 

 

 

Guess what? Turkey is fighting ISIS.

 

you not accepting "turkey says it fights ISIS" and not accepting "the US says turkey helps fighting ISIS"

doesn't mean turkey isn't fighting isis, it means you're not open to reason.

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USA and their allies dropped weapons to moderate islamists which are allied with ISIS. Everyone knows it, USA first.

 

Erdogan won't fight against ISIS since they get discounted oil from them. They only fight Kurds.

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hypercube, turkey controls the us military?

 

i dont think so. if turkey refused to let the united states operate from their country that would cause them severe problems, they are a nato country

 

you have no grasp of the powers and relationships at play here

 

turkey does not fight isis, turkey has never bomebed isis or deployed any other sort of military action against isis

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if turkey refused to let the united states operate from their country that would cause them severe problems, they are a nato country

just because a country is part of NATO doesn't mean it's forced to share it's airspace. For instance, during the Iraq war, Belgium (also a nato country) forbid the U.S. to use it's ports and airspace. (which it wanted to use for transit)

 

i dont think so.

that is your problem, not mine.

 

 

For future baseless claims, how about you start and prove them!

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i repeat, show actual evidence of turkey fighting isis

 

 

the united states has much more power than turkey, operating out of their country says nothing of turkey's allegience

 

 

 

you are just here to be contrary

you can see the trutth yet you perpetuate lies

 

please die

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> For instance, during the Iraq war, Belgium forbid the U.S. to use it's ports and airspace.

 

the united states has much more power than turkey, operating out of their country says nothing of turkey's allegience

trying to argue that NATO opperates under the "I'm stronger then you, so I can violate your airspace" principle, only proves more that you actually have no clue what you're talking about.

 

 

please die

please do some effort to at least act like a decent human being, and refrain from asking people to die ...

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thats exactly how the united states operates

 

belgium openly opposed the war in iraq, naturally they wouldnt be open to military action based in their country for this war

 

turkey pretends to be against isis because they are a nato country and they wish to enter the eu

but their actions say they support isis

 

 

and, no you just keep coming to my posts and posting things just to be contrary, and you keep diverting without providing any evidence for an argument against the initial statement, i dont want to see you anymore

 

 

 

it still stands that turkey does not fight isis and probably sees them as allies

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thats exactly how the united states operates

 

belgium openly opposed the war in iraq, naturally they wouldnt be open to military action based in their country for this war

 

turkey pretends to be against isis because they are a nato country and they wish to enter the eu

Aside from beligum being a nato country too, like belgium did in the time, they could simply claim to be against militairy intervention in the conflict or they could only allow opperations to aid people (opposite to bombing ISIS)

 

but their actions say they support isis

 

... except the january 2014 turkish airstrike, except opperation martyr yalçın, except the fact that ISIS threatens turkey, except in june last year, turkey blacklisted ISIL as terrorist organisation, except it entered the US-led coalition against ISIS (confirmed by the US), except they train Peshmerga fighters against ISIS (confirmed by Iraq), except the elbeyli incident,...

 

Everyone lies

 

Except of course, for some "mysterious" reason, the russians.

 

 

and you keep diverting without providing any evidence

 

it still stands that turkey does not fight isis

sure, *I* am the one without evidence :rolleyes:

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january 2014 was retaliation on an isis convoy because of isis mortars which were intended for the free syrian army but were badly aimed

 

martyr yalçın was an operation vs kurds

they claimed 35 isis members were killed and pretended that was their target, then continued to bomb the shit out of the kurds while avoiding isis targets

 

turkey "trains" kurds then bombs them to bits when they are deployed

 

erdogan only let the us fly planes out of turkey because of international and nato pressure on turkey for their inaction against isis, he wishes to remain in power and not get ghaddafi'd

 

elbeyli, again was retaliation for an isis member shooting at them while they ethnically cleansed the town

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january 2014 was retaliation on an isis convoy because

 

... because retailation is exactly what you do when your ally misses it's target ?????

the reason they did it doesn't change the fact they still did it!

 

martyr yalçın was an operation vs kurds

they claimed 35 isis members were killed and pretended that was their target

 

... and you got evidence of what you claim? oh, right! you complain others don't got evidence, but you don't need any.

 

 

Oh, and wikipedia on on martyr yalçın & it's ISIS targets:

 

Before the operation, the Turkish government had pursued an internationally criticised policy of inaction against ISIL, opting out of the anti-ISIL coalition and refusing to allow the United States to use the strategic Ä°ncirlik Air Base for airstrikes against ISIL unless they also targeted the forces of Bashar Al Assad.

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On 20 July 2015, a bombing in the Turkish district of Suruç, [...] On 23 July, ISIL militants attacked Turkish military [...] This was largely seen as a casus belli, which resulted in Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu taking the decision to begin active air operations against PKK and ISIL positions south of Turkey's border.

 

What's that? Turkish government not allowing the US to use their airports? IMPOSSIBRU !

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i dont see how you think any of this is proof of turkey fighting isis

 

its the kurds they are after, its the kurds they want dead

isis is collateral in turkeys bid to cleanse the region of ethnic groups they hate

 

 

read up on any of these things you have posted and you will see a trend, isis is never a target, the racial enemies of turkey are

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and you went through all this to say that turkey does not finacially support isis through oil trade

showed you the evidence of that yet you ignored it

 

 

 

turkey killed some isis members a year ago in an operation against kurds

fired tank shells at isis members for firing accross their border and killing a turkish soldier

announcing that they are fighting isis

buy oil from isis

kill more kurds

 

this is not fighting isis

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and you went through all this to say that turkey does not finacially support isis through oil trade

Read post #28 again.

 

It's an known fact that Assad - DEFINATELY NOT an ally of ISIS - buys electricity from ISIS.

Get it through your thick skull that Turkey buying oil from ISIS does not make them their allies.

 

turkey killed some isis members

And because of turkey, the US is able to kill more peopel of ISIS.

 

EXACTLY what one would expect from someone you claim to be an ally of ISIS.

... Oh wait. NOT AT ALL!

 

 

Turkey has probbably killed more ISIS members then the belgiums did

Get it through your thick skull that low direct body count =/= ally of ISIS

 

this is not fighting isis

not according to the US

not according to Iraq

 

... the best you can come up with that sources that contradict you are lying - 'casue everyone lies - and sources that agree with you, oh, those are magically obviously telling the truth

 

Get it through your thick skull that hypocracy isn't a valid argument.

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its not the simple fact of oil trade, but they shot down a plane that was on its way to strike isis targets

if they were allied in the war against isis they would not have done this

 

 

its a combination of their actions regarding isis since isis gained power

 

accidentally killing 35 isis memebers a year ago and firing shells at some asshat who killed one of their soldiers is not fighting isis

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