cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 show any actual evidence of turkey fighting isis attempting to genocide turkmen, kurds, and other ethnic groups is not fighting isis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Map Painter Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 show any actual evidence of turkey fighting isis attempting to genocide turkmen, kurds, and other ethnic groups is not fighting isis Why would Turkey want to commit genocide against Turkmen? The country was founded by Turkoman refugees (Osman/Ertugrul being the most famous) fleeing the Mongol Horde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 world economics at wartime dumbed down:Suppose a barrel of oil costs $50 to pump up, and is usually sold for $100. Suppose ISIS needs money (being at war and all), and thus needs to sell it's oil quickly. it decides to sell it for $70. It now has $20 bucks to use to wage war. Suppose Turkey needs money (being at war and all), and thus is able to buy a barrel of oil for $70 instead of $100. It now has $30 bucks it doesn't need to spend on oil, but can use it to wage war. show any actual evidence of turkey fighting isis Well, I'm not gonna adress what turkey says it does, as you'll probbably not gonna believe that ... How about the fact that turkey allows the US to use it's airbases specifically to conduct airstrikes against the ISIS? You're gonna argue the US is lying about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 lmao, you really have no grasp of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Well, I'm not gonna adress what turkey says it does, as you'll probbably not gonna believe that ... How about the fact that turkey allows the US to use it's airbases specifically to conduct airstrikes against the ISIS? You're gonna argue the US is lying about that? erdogan also said that he will resign if russia provides evidence of turkey buying oil from isis sources is that actually happening? people lie, politicians lie, globalists lie the loyalties and motives of governments are not always what they say at press confrences why does anyone "allow" the us to conduct military action from their countries its not simply because they are alligned with the united states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karam Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 But no one talks about Russia and France bombing syrian cities with no ISIS population in them Ok den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 But no one talks about Russia and France bombing syrian cities with no ISIS population in them Ok den one does not excuse the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 is that actually happening? people lie, politicians lie, globalists lie Shees, tin foiled hat much? You asked for evidence. I not only give you evidence confirmed by turkey, but also by the US, and now you're gonna try and pull the card that whoever confims the evidence might be lying. OF COURSE people might be lying; but if you're gonna assume that, what the heck kind of evidence you expect???? A ticket to turkey, and a free ride in the plane departing from it's airbase and bombing ISIS???? If you're gonna assume "people lie, politicians lie, globalists lie", well, you're not even going to be able to prove ISIS exists in the first place. it could be the gov & media lying to us. Here. Wikipedia. The first squadron was the 510th Fighter Squadron deployed from Aviano Air Base with General Dynamics F-16C Fighting Falcons from 9 August 2015.[14] On 15 October 2015, 12 Fairchild A-10C Thunderbolt IIs were deployed to Incirlik to replace the 6 F-16Cs deployed in August.[15] On November 6, 2015, 6 x McDonnell Douglas F-15C Eagles from the 48th Fighter Wing (48th FW) departed the American-run RAF Lakenheath for Incirlik[16] suspected to be from the based 493d Expeditionary Fighter Squadron.[citation needed] On November 12, 2015 6 x McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagles arrived there[17] suspected to be from the 492d Expeditionary Fighter Squadron from the 48th FW.[citation needed] You're gonna cliam they're lying? Well, provide the evidence they are or STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 i never said theres no us military operating out of turkey the us military using its power to operate out of another country does not mean that the country is conducting the united states' military actions i said that the turkish government says things and does the opposite as proven by russias evidence of them funding isis through oil trade which strengthens putins claims that turkey sees isis as an ally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 i never said theres no us military operating out of turkey the us military using its power to operate out of another country does not mean that the country is conducting the united states' military actions Really, quotes like that pretty much show how oblivious you are to international politics. You think U.S. fighters are just allowed into turkish airspace? They are not. For instance, the jets that use that airport are allowed to be used to attack ISIS, but not to provide the Kurds (who also fight ISIS) with air support (seeing as the Turks also fight the Kurds) Guess what? Turkey is fighting ISIS. you not accepting "turkey says it fights ISIS" and not accepting "the US says turkey helps fighting ISIS" doesn't mean turkey isn't fighting isis, it means you're not open to reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled Soda Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 war at this stage is highly unlikely, and would be illogical, but then again people are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tats Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 USA and their allies dropped weapons to moderate islamists which are allied with ISIS. Everyone knows it, USA first. Erdogan won't fight against ISIS since they get discounted oil from them. They only fight Kurds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 hypercube, turkey controls the us military? i dont think so. if turkey refused to let the united states operate from their country that would cause them severe problems, they are a nato country you have no grasp of the powers and relationships at play here turkey does not fight isis, turkey has never bomebed isis or deployed any other sort of military action against isis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 if turkey refused to let the united states operate from their country that would cause them severe problems, they are a nato countryjust because a country is part of NATO doesn't mean it's forced to share it's airspace. For instance, during the Iraq war, Belgium (also a nato country) forbid the U.S. to use it's ports and airspace. (which it wanted to use for transit) i dont think so.that is your problem, not mine. For future baseless claims, how about you start and prove them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 i repeat, show actual evidence of turkey fighting isis the united states has much more power than turkey, operating out of their country says nothing of turkey's allegience you are just here to be contrary you can see the trutth yet you perpetuate lies please die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 > For instance, during the Iraq war, Belgium forbid the U.S. to use it's ports and airspace. the united states has much more power than turkey, operating out of their country says nothing of turkey's allegience trying to argue that NATO opperates under the "I'm stronger then you, so I can violate your airspace" principle, only proves more that you actually have no clue what you're talking about. please die please do some effort to at least act like a decent human being, and refrain from asking people to die ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 thats exactly how the united states operates belgium openly opposed the war in iraq, naturally they wouldnt be open to military action based in their country for this war turkey pretends to be against isis because they are a nato country and they wish to enter the eu but their actions say they support isis and, no you just keep coming to my posts and posting things just to be contrary, and you keep diverting without providing any evidence for an argument against the initial statement, i dont want to see you anymore it still stands that turkey does not fight isis and probably sees them as allies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 thats exactly how the united states operates belgium openly opposed the war in iraq, naturally they wouldnt be open to military action based in their country for this war turkey pretends to be against isis because they are a nato country and they wish to enter the eu Aside from beligum being a nato country too, like belgium did in the time, they could simply claim to be against militairy intervention in the conflict or they could only allow opperations to aid people (opposite to bombing ISIS) but their actions say they support isis ... except the january 2014 turkish airstrike, except opperation martyr yalçın, except the fact that ISIS threatens turkey, except in june last year, turkey blacklisted ISIL as terrorist organisation, except it entered the US-led coalition against ISIS (confirmed by the US), except they train Peshmerga fighters against ISIS (confirmed by Iraq), except the elbeyli incident,... Everyone lies Except of course, for some "mysterious" reason, the russians. and you keep diverting without providing any evidence it still stands that turkey does not fight isis sure, *I* am the one without evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 january 2014 was retaliation on an isis convoy because of isis mortars which were intended for the free syrian army but were badly aimed martyr yalçın was an operation vs kurds they claimed 35 isis members were killed and pretended that was their target, then continued to bomb the shit out of the kurds while avoiding isis targets turkey "trains" kurds then bombs them to bits when they are deployed erdogan only let the us fly planes out of turkey because of international and nato pressure on turkey for their inaction against isis, he wishes to remain in power and not get ghaddafi'd elbeyli, again was retaliation for an isis member shooting at them while they ethnically cleansed the town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 january 2014 was retaliation on an isis convoy because ... because retailation is exactly what you do when your ally misses it's target ????? the reason they did it doesn't change the fact they still did it! martyr yalçın was an operation vs kurds they claimed 35 isis members were killed and pretended that was their target ... and you got evidence of what you claim? oh, right! you complain others don't got evidence, but you don't need any. Oh, and wikipedia on on martyr yalçın & it's ISIS targets: Before the operation, the Turkish government had pursued an internationally criticised policy of inaction against ISIL, opting out of the anti-ISIL coalition and refusing to allow the United States to use the strategic İncirlik Air Base for airstrikes against ISIL unless they also targeted the forces of Bashar Al Assad. ... On 20 July 2015, a bombing in the Turkish district of Suruç, [...] On 23 July, ISIL militants attacked Turkish military [...] This was largely seen as a casus belli, which resulted in Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu taking the decision to begin active air operations against PKK and ISIL positions south of Turkey's border. What's that? Turkish government not allowing the US to use their airports? IMPOSSIBRU ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 i dont see how you think any of this is proof of turkey fighting isis its the kurds they are after, its the kurds they want dead isis is collateral in turkeys bid to cleanse the region of ethnic groups they hate read up on any of these things you have posted and you will see a trend, isis is never a target, the racial enemies of turkey are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 i dont see how you think any of this isn't proof of turkey fighting isis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 and you went through all this to say that turkey does not finacially support isis through oil trade showed you the evidence of that yet you ignored it turkey killed some isis members a year ago in an operation against kurds fired tank shells at isis members for firing accross their border and killing a turkish soldier announcing that they are fighting isis buy oil from isis kill more kurds this is not fighting isis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperqube Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 and you went through all this to say that turkey does not finacially support isis through oil trade Read post #28 again. It's an known fact that Assad - DEFINATELY NOT an ally of ISIS - buys electricity from ISIS. Get it through your thick skull that Turkey buying oil from ISIS does not make them their allies. turkey killed some isis members And because of turkey, the US is able to kill more peopel of ISIS. EXACTLY what one would expect from someone you claim to be an ally of ISIS. ... Oh wait. NOT AT ALL! Turkey has probbably killed more ISIS members then the belgiums did Get it through your thick skull that low direct body count =/= ally of ISIS this is not fighting isis not according to the US not according to Iraq ... the best you can come up with that sources that contradict you are lying - 'casue everyone lies - and sources that agree with you, oh, those are magically obviously telling the truth Get it through your thick skull that hypocracy isn't a valid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 its not the simple fact of oil trade, but they shot down a plane that was on its way to strike isis targets if they were allied in the war against isis they would not have done this its a combination of their actions regarding isis since isis gained power accidentally killing 35 isis memebers a year ago and firing shells at some asshat who killed one of their soldiers is not fighting isis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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