Jesus Floss Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I don't think we should let those people die and be terrorized. But it's our interference that causes that terror. Every time the US invades a Middle Eastern country, instability and terrorism go through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Map Painter Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 But it's our interference that causes that terror. Every time the US invades a Middle Eastern country, instability and terrorism go through the roof. So instead of actively solving the problem we should just ignore it, because removing ISIS as a threat would increase the scale of terror attacks for a few years at most. Letting them be would allow them to recruit more jihadis - the forces opposed to ISIS in the region aren't exactly winning currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 What's being debated again? All ya gotta know is that: ISIS is shitty and less than 1% of Muslims are terrorists The current US 'war on terror' was begun when Jesus died, and escalated when we went to war with the wrong fucking country The "Middle East" includes Jews and Muslims, so don't assume it's just one Anyone is capable of extreme terrorism Did I say ISIS is shitty? I did? Well ISIS is shitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 before israel became our "greatest ally" we had no enemies in the middle east Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Noob Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 So instead of actively solving the problem we should just ignore it, because removing ISIS as a threat would increase the scale of terror attacks for a few years at most. Letting them be would allow them to recruit more jihadis - the forces opposed to ISIS in the region aren't exactly winning currently. If we could actually solve the problems then sure, I wouldn't be opposed to that. Unfortunately, "solving" the problems involve occupying countries that have no desire to work with us for 10+ years and at the end of our stay, the countries are in identical or worse positions and we've lost soldiers and money for nothing. I know you and other people like to think the US can solve every problem in the world and we should interfere whenever possible, but it's just not practical and we gain nothing from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0123847a;fsdaklf Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Multiculturalism sure is impossible. Easier to come back from an atom bomb than multiculturalism bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Floss Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So instead of actively solving the problem we should just ignore it, because removing ISIS as a threat would increase the scale of terror attacks for a few years at most. Letting them be would allow them to recruit more jihadis - the forces opposed to ISIS in the region aren't exactly winning currently. Yeah, basically. As I said, invading the Middle East causes more terrorism in the long-run, not less. While ISIS is recruiting Jihadis, they are by-and-large contained to Iraq and Syria (and as a "Caliphate", they operate more like a land-based country than a terrorist group, so less land = less legitimacy.) Because ISIS is contained, they can't expand and they lose all of their legitimacy. Plus ISIS isn't solely "the problem". The real problem are the people in the Middle East who hate America's guts and want them dead (granted they are the vast minority) because we keep bombing them and invading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeomuz Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Easier to come back from an atom bomb than multiculturalism bomb. Is it much easier to come back from democracy bomb ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 youre right, arabs cant handle democracy, they need a dictator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Noob Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 youre right, arabs cant handle democracy, they need a dictator It's not that they can't handle democracy, it's that they aren't going to magically switch to a democracy by having the US bomb them or invade them and shove it down their throat. There's no reason the people of any Middle Eastern country couldn't have a rebellion and organically form their own democracy, but it's not going to happen with US intervention. Let them work it out for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 it will not happen a long as islamic supremacy has a presence in the region Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 17, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2015 it will not happen a long as islamic supremacy has a presence in the region Iran is doing just fine (in this context.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 really? based on what would you come to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 17, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2015 Many, many things. (Hey, if you don't have to explain your statements, neither do I. Go learn about it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 the islamic republic of iran has executed literally hundreds of people based on islamic law this year alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inner Arts Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm speaking as someone who lives in a country in which there are a fuckton of Syrian refugees. More than France, more than Germany, more than anywhere else, we're the neighboring country to Syria, and Syrians form more than 3/4 of our ORIGINAL population. Lebanon. On Friday, there was ALSO a terrorist attack made by SYRIANS in Beirut. 50 people died, tons more wounded and in critical condition, there have been a few martyrs from the part of the army to prevent more terror bombings. I do not hate syrians as human beings. IF anything, I really don't give a shit outise of empathizing with them on the level that, yes, they lost their nation to some stupid political shit (that would be solved with their president's death in all honesty, I'm speaking as someone whose entire family IS with the president and his actins, but fuck, Assad should fucking drop out of presidency), but... Syrians need to check their fucking privilege. What happened in France was fucking horrible, just absolutely terrible, and my condolences go to the affected families, a good friend of mine's girlfriend lost HER PARENTS in France due to the Syrians, and I've been emphathizing with the #PrayforParis movement in my own introspection more than on any network. Syrians are like dead men. They have the privilege, yes, because when your fucking country is in the havoc of war and you're on the brink of famine, you have the privilege to be alive, to have countries like France, Germany and the likes to OPEN THEIR BORDERS to REFUGEES. Refugees are like the middle ground between a free, civil man and a dead victim of war. Your existence is a courtesy of others. With that logic, one has to understand why I'm being so harsh on Syrians. Because they are given everything they fucking want (and are treated better than us Lebanese citizens...)(more jobs more opportunities less rules, support from the united nations FINANCIALLY, A FREE ROOF AND FREE FOOD, free immigration AND YES THIS IS A THING). Don't feed me the 'poor syrian' logic. I do emphathize with what happened in Syria. Please do not judge us on the acts of terrorists. I live in the middle east, and a lot of people sure are racist and discriminatory towards the US and France and the UK, but there are people who do not deserve to be judged on the majority's disgust for others... the xenophobia is terrible. Syrians need to check their fucking privilege. All I had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 17, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2015 the islamic republic of iran has executed literally hundreds of people based on islamic law this year alone Statistics say that number is lower. USA has capital punishment too. Next argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
∞Ramses Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 snip Syrians and other - so called 'war'- refugees get food here (Belgium) as well. If they go back when the situation in Middle East is under control, it's alright for me. Until then, they can stay. But honestly, I don't see that happening, after a travel of 3000 km. Also, they go raping, bashing and complain about the food and householding or even completely refuse it. No wonder people don't like them here anymore. They're afraid (and why not) that Europe will change into a second Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 the us executes murderers iran executes adulterers, dissenters, thieves, suspected foreign collaborators, etc they are under a dictatorship, they do not have democracy, opposition to current rule are executed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 17, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2015 the us executes murderers iran executes adulterers, dissenters, thieves, suspected foreign collaborators, etc they are under a dictatorship, they do not have democracy, opposition to current rule are executed Oh? My family in iran don't agree, but I'll be sure to inform them that you know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CecilyLovesYou<3™ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 What's being debated again? All ya gotta know is that: ISIS is shitty and less than 1% of Muslims are terrorists The current US 'war on terror' was begun when Jesus died, and escalated when we went to war with the wrong fucking country The "Middle East" includes Jews and Muslims, so don't assume it's just one Anyone is capable of extreme terrorism Did I say ISIS is shitty? I did? Well ISIS is shitty So amongst ISIS there's muslims and jews? Well Hitler be mad about this. I was really expecting the majority of them being either middle east guys and some other people that wanted to join ISIS because they felt like it was fun in other countries, the jew part really caught me off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 opinion discarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cąℓσceđrus ☁☽ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 there were jews in hitlers nazi party, there are jews present in all facets of political ideology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 So amongst ISIS there's muslims and jews? Well Hitler be mad about this. I was really expecting the majority of them being either middle east guys and some other people that wanted to join ISIS because they felt like it was fun in other countries, the jew part really caught me off guard. No...The Middle East and ISIS are two separate things. It's asking bout my opinion on the middle east and it seemed like most people believed the majority are Muslims and ignoring the Jewish population Which is why I brought it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted November 18, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 18, 2015 There are also a bunch of christians, and lesser-known religions like baha'i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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