Jamesheaton Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 For outpost there is a rule of no sharking, and you can't profit more than 10% on valuable items. But for unusuals does this still apply? I see people looking for quicksales 30-40% off the bp.tf price. If I wanted a 17 key unusual and offered 12 is this considered sharking and would I be banned or something from outpost (already posted this on outpost forums but idk if receives as much traffic as this site so I would ask the question again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrublordington the III Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Heh, made me chuckle a little People are free to buy quicksells at whatever percent off they want. You can offer whatever you want but it doesn't mean you'll get it. You are not "sharking" just lowballing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neemo Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Taken from Outpost's rules: 'Sharking is defined as manipulating another user into trading/selling a valuable item for 10% or less of its accepted value (or 20% or less for users with less than 200 hours in that game) or any other deceptive trading practice that the staff consider to be against the spirit of this rule.' Offering 30-40% off bp.tf price is simply looking for quicksells, there is no manipulation involved. If someone wishes to get rid of their unusual for quick pure, it's their choice. However, taking advantage of someone and manipulating them into selling far lower than a quicksell (10-20% depending) then that would be considered sharking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesheaton Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Heh, made me chuckle a little People are free to buy quicksells at whatever percent off they want. You can offer whatever you want but it doesn't mean you'll get it. You are not "sharking" just lowballing haha yeah I guess I'm pretty new, okay thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lib3l Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 haha yeah I guess I'm pretty new, okay thank you Quick, someone shark him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woifi The Viking Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 For outpost there is a rule of no sharking, and you can't profit more than 10% on valuable items. But for unusuals does this still apply? I see people looking for quicksales 30-40% off the bp.tf price. If I wanted a 17 key unusual and offered 12 is this considered sharking and would I be banned or something from outpost (already posted this on outpost forums but idk if receives as much traffic as this site so I would ask the question again) I think you got confused by the Maths. 30% off is 70% of the value, so way more than 10% which is the treshhold for the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesheaton Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Quick, someone shark him! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77777777777777777777777777 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The 10% rule itself is absurd. I once tried to report someone who sharked a PE Maddendoktor and they rejected it because it was allegedly more than 10%. So you can shark a HOUWAR for 20% of its original value and not get banned by OP because it's more than 10%? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hawk Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The 10% rule itself is absurd. I once tried to report someone who sharked a PE Maddendoktor and they rejected it because it was allegedly more than 10%. So you can shark a HOUWAR for 20% of its original value and not get banned by OP because it's more than 10%? Ridiculous If they have <200 hours then it's a shark. But unless there is obvious deception like "Yo my hat is worth 100 keys (actually ~40) and the HOUWAR is duped so it's worth like ~50" Then it isn't sharking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatrix Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The 10% rule itself is absurd. I once tried to report someone who sharked a PE Maddendoktor and they rejected it because it was allegedly more than 10%. So you can shark a HOUWAR for 20% of its original value and not get banned by OP because it's more than 10%? Ridiculous. It really is. I reported a guy for sharking some unusual Bear Necessities a while back and it WAS a shark, but they didn't do shit because it was over that percentage. Also I can't really agree with this because I've bought unusuals for super cheap before (I paid the guy's ASKING PRICE) and flipped them for a shitton. A recent example is I bought a Sulphurous Voodoo Juju for 16 keys and sold it for 40 pure. I didn't shark the guy who I bought it from in my opinion, he wanted 16 keys for it and I was happy to oblige. Another example a LONG time back, maybe a year and a half ago, I bought a Roboactive Tough Guy's Toque for 1.5 buds pure, sold it for 4.5~ pure. The guy who I bought it from was quickselling it, It seemed sketchy, I checked his SR, steam profile, rep, everything, he was clean, so I bought it. Made some big bucks with these quicksales and purchases from people who regarded all robo-effects as cancer. tl;dr There's sharking, then there's good deals. People should learn to separate the two not based on a stupid percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77777777777777777777777777 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 If they have <200 hours then it's a shark. But unless there is obvious deception like "Yo my hat is worth 100 keys (actually ~40) and the HOUWAR is duped so it's worth like ~50" Then it isn't sharking. A few funny facts about the shark I've tried to report: • The dude told me he added some pure to the trade while he did NOT. • He told the victim it was for his girlfriend yet instantly listed it as soon as he got it • He took advantage of the unboxer's ignorance, gullibility and compassion to get the hat • He paid a dirt cheap price which I won't be disclosing since I don't want to point fingers at anyone • The unboxer told me he had very little idea of his hat's value, and was approached by the shark. How is this not a shark? Outpost's rules are so flawed because they completely ignore the context. Most sharks always make use of deceptive techniques, deciding whether one is a shark or not by a petty percentage is not only ignorant as hell, it's also apathetic towards those who do get sharked. The example of the HOUWAR I've given you can apply to dozens of high-valued items, e.g if you buy an item worth ~100 for 25 or more. It's still sharking, just not by Outpost's standards. Then again, my name isn't Sneeza, so I have no say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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