Python. Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 It's been a while since we had a conversation on abortion Personally, I'm pro-choice, however, there have recently been videos popping up about if the abortion botched and the baby was born alive If this was the case, facts still remain 1. The woman that wanted the abortion obviously had motives for doing so 2. The baby would likely be under-developed and have no hope of survival 3. Reviving the baby would go against what the person who got the abortion wished for, and would add to bills and expenses they could likely not cover I'd also like to say that people who are against abortions entirely are likely gun enthusiasts I'd like to point out the hypocrisy in getting rid of abortions in relation to getting rid of guns Several gun enthusiasts have pointed out "if we take away the persons 'right' to own a firearm, evil people will still get their hands on them" Well, if you take away a woman's right to get an abortion, there will still be ways, less healthy and efficient ways, to get rid of the baby. Just a point Anyway, go at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Дебра Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 a dead aborted fetus is better than a live neglected child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmf Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm pro-abortion as well. Mainly for the reasons you said and for the sake of their own sanity. As of this moment, the next war would probably be over water, and other shit. Better that they don't involve themselves in it. Also, since they don't develop a sense of life until they're actually outside, I don't think its too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-money Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Pro abortion all the way if someone doesn't have the resources to have a child then then they should have the choice to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Well I mean there are things called condoms and birth control. If you chose that one day you don't wanna use the resources given. then don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0123847a;fsdaklf Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Nothing inhuman about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Well I mean there are things called condoms and birth control. If you chose that one day you don't wanna use the resources given. then don't do it. There are also things called broken condoms and bad luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroy man Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 there's also something called don't have sex unless your ready for the what comes next Kappa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonbonbon Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm pro-choice as well; I had an acquaintance a while back have an unfortunate incident in which, despite the precautions they took, she ended up pregnant. At this point in time she had no means to support both herself and a newborn financially whatsoever, so she ultimately decided to get an abortion since clinics will only take you up to your third month into the pregnancy before cutting you off from the service. Soon after making her decision, she finds out that the boyfriend, regardless of her decision whether or not to keep the child or not, was going to leave, meaning that if she had decided to keep the child, she would of been a single parent with no ability to work to try and financially take care of the child whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm pro-choice as well; I had an acquaintance a while back have an unfortunate incident in which, despite the precautions they took, she ended up pregnant. At this point in time she had no means to support both herself and a newborn financially whatsoever, so she ultimately decided to get an abortion since clinics will only take you up to your third month into the pregnancy before cutting you off from the service. Soon after making her decision, she finds out that the boyfriend, regardless of her decision whether or not to keep the child or not, was going to leave, meaning that if she had decided to keep the child, she would of been a single parent with no ability to work to try and financially take care of the child whatsoever. This is the exact reason I'm pro-choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENDED Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 when you're in a country with the highest fertility rates in the continent (therefore overpopulation and shortage of food) in the wouldn't be you pro-choice either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 There are also things called broken condoms and bad luck That must be shitty luck then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knavesmith Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Well I mean there are things called condoms and birth control. If you chose that one day you don't wanna use the resources given. then don't do it. There are also things called broken condoms and bad luckDon't forget rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobmeister Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm pro-abortion, the only thing I hate about it is that one of the TV channels in New Zealand showed an "AO Family Guy" episode trying to make it look like it was all sexy and banned in US and stuff but it was just the episode about abortion lmfao. AO means adults only jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BankingBot Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 pro-choice, i believe that actions that can be controlled by people should not be given an absolute answer. There exist many different context and each one requires different treatments and solutions to them, like what the above have said, rape,incest,unwanted pregnancy etc, should be considered as exceptions and by going pro-life, you have literally took the freedom of choice from the child's mother. A mother should make a more logical choice compared to what others have said, pro-life people are guided by their belief and have not spare enough considerations for the one that's actually in question. It's ok to believe in your belief but it's not ok if you are trying to enforce it on others when it does not infringe on your rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 You know that incest isn't implied rape, right? (Edit: Realized it's about not having the baby of their brother rather than the possibility they might not have consented) I'd like to start talking about the "baby on the table" argument then. Any opinions on if the baby is 'alive' after it's been removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BankingBot Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 You know that incest isn't implied rape, right? (Edit: Realized it's about not having the baby of their brother rather than the possibility they might not have consented) I'd like to start talking about the "baby on the table" argument then. Any opinions on if the baby is 'alive' after it's been removed? I am giving examples of situations where the baby might not be wanted by his/her parents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 I am giving examples of situations where the baby might not be wanted by his/her parents Already edited m8 ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♠Derpeh♤ Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Imo the only reason for abortion is 1. if you were raped 2. If the child would come out with a severe disability 3. If the mothers life will be in danger from the kid. There are also things called broken condoms and bad luckIf you had sex you knew the risks of getting pregnant and you should take the responsibilities which come from your actions. If I screwed up and got peg I would be working 3-4jobs to make it work if I had to. I'm not going to punish/kill someone else purely from my actions. If you are not financially ready nor prepared for what can happen you shouldn't be having sex. If you do happen to screw up you better given up everything for that kid so he/she is the happiest mf alive :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Hecate Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Pro abortion c; If the mother and/or father have no capability to care for a child then if they have the child it will be more suffering for everyone, including the child when s/he grows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Purple Chakra Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The sad fact is that people do make mistakes, don't use protection, etc etc. I guess what it really comes down to is whether a fetus is actually intelligent, or even alive. We kill animals all the time (bad comparison ik), and why? Because they are not intelligent. Two cells, four cells, a billion cells, they can't feel, they are not intelligent. When does life start? I think that abortion comes down to whether you are comfortable with preventing a life, and whether preventing life is worse than the alternative, when the child will be disabled or will not be able to be cared for properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ŴƬЯ-A Vakume Kleener Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Abortion is murder, and so is masturbation, condoms, and non-incertion sex. Virgins are also murderers, and same with homosexuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Python. Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Abortion is murder, and so is masturbation, condoms, and non-incertion sex. Virgins are also murderers, and same with homosexuals. Preach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twins_Mercury Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I heard that the way they used to do abortions was they would pull out the fetus all in one piece so the parent(s) could give it a proper burial and stuff, but then bitter pro lifers happened and that changed. Now what they do is pull out the fetus limb from limb so because of that I doubt it could be "alive" after being aborted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaim Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Abortion is hard for me to think about. Its horrible. Not only are you taking the childs life but you are taking from the lives of who that child could have been a part of. Abortion can be compared to murder. Is that not what you are doing? Taking the life from a living human being is wrong, no matter how or when its done. btw: ive already read what you have to say, so dont comment back to me trying to prove me wrong or change my beliefs, i am and will always be against abortion. i just felt the need to say i thought taking ones life even if they "are just cells" is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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