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  1. 1. Should this be implemented?

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BankingBot

Feel free to read the rules of said forums.

 

'Any marked scammers using this forum will be banned without appeal until their tag is removed.'

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/73-important-trading-forum-rules/

That's what i've just said? Restriction/prevention would be a better cause than punishment. There's a difference between banning them before they could do anything and banning them after they did something.

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Дебра

That's what i've just said? Restriction/prevention would be a better cause than punishment. There's a difference between banning them before they could do anything and banning them after they did something.

 

Admins have to manually ban each user if they want to ban from a certain forum, it takes too much time and effort so that system works better. In all my time of using the forums I have only seen 1 marked scammer use the trading forums.

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TheProcave

I'd say to hand out IP bans,

so that all the alts he'll try to log onto then get banned, also.

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Senpai Absol~

No... Banned users shouldn't be banned off the forums

we've had some nice forum members that were marked on here, we shouldn't just ban them because they are marked, even if they could be nice and great people

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λngelღмander

 

It's actually not impossible to automatically restrict access for marked users, and it is a topic of discussion within the team whether or not marked users have a place here. Also, Cedar has never been marked, only cautioned.

 

 

Yes, cedar is main site banned, that's what I was referring to.

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polar

The majority of people permanently banned on the main site (not counting throwaway phisher accounts) are people who have repeatedly traded with marked scammers. Does this make them bad people? I mean consider this. Some of them were marked for trading with people who were marked for trading with people who were marked for trading with scammers. Is it fair to restrict them entirely from forums on topics completely unrelated to trading? 

 

I personally don't recall anyone who was an actual scammer who used the forums beyond the trading section. Most of them try posting in the trading section and they get immediately banned.

 

Anyways.... When we get our new forums that more directly link to the site, users on the main site probably will end up getting banned in the forums.

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BankingBot

Admins have to manually ban each user if they want to ban from a certain forum, it takes too much time and effort so that system works better. In all my time of using the forums I have only seen 1 marked scammer use the trading forums.

Well, that's an issue for the admins, a system that automatically bans people from the trading forums would probably works great for most people in the forums. And low crime rate does not mean no crime, as i have said, prevention is the best cause.

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BankingBot

The majority of people permanently banned on the main site (not counting throwaway phisher accounts) are people who have repeatedly traded with marked scammers. Does this make them bad people? I mean consider this. Some of them were marked for trading with people who were marked for trading with people who were marked for trading with scammers. Is it fair to restrict them entirely from forums on topics completely unrelated to trading? 

 

I personally don't recall anyone who was an actual scammer who used the forums beyond the trading section. Most of them try posting in the trading section and they get immediately banned.

 

Well, that's an issue for the admins, a system that automatically bans people from the trading forums would probably works great for most people in the forums. And low crime rate does not mean no crime, as i have said, prevention is the best cause.

An easy way to prevent it would be to ban from everything, though it's debatable since scammers/traders who trades with scammers can actually use other sections of the forum to trade, by the time admins looked into it, they would have quicksold their loot.  What i have suggested is a better idea that's more appropriate for most people.

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Дебра

An easy way to prevent it would be to ban from everything, though it's debatable since scammers/traders who trades with scammers can actually use other sections of the forum to trade, by the time admins looked into it, they would have quicksold their loot.  What i have suggested is a better idea that's more appropriate for most people.

 

That's like banning someone from the whole internet because you dont want them on porn sites. It's a bit extreme... Also if they really wanted to quicksell on the forum they would make a alt.

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♠Derpeh♤
 

Well, that's an issue for the admins, a system that automatically bans people from the trading forums would probably works great for most people in the forums. And low crime rate does not mean no crime, as i have said, prevention is the best cause.

 The problem with that is that the program for the forums is bought and you can't change the coding for it this is also the reason why many good suggestion in regards to the forums are often ignored.

 

 

If a user is actively scamming there isnt much we can do about it, alt accounts are everywhere and it isnt exactly hard to make another one. Our users should be doing background checks anyways and a forum where many high tier traders, veteran traders who should be well versed in scammers and similar it it never takes long for someone to call them out.

 

I can name a large amount of users on this forum who have been marked because they came here asking for advice, many users told them no because they were a scammer and they get banned

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BankingBot

That's like banning someone from the whole internet because you dont want them on porn sites. It's a bit extreme... Also if they really wanted to quicksell on the forum they would make a alt.

That's a different comparison. However, if you looked at it that way, a person who commits an online crime gets convicted, he goes to jail, technically you are also banning him from the whole internet because he could have committed a single crime on the internet. 

 

Like i have said, it's a controversial topic, it depends on how you look at it, this forum could be a last resort for scammers/banned users everywhere else to sell off their loot if they aren't properly addressed to.

 

An automatic system to ban from the trading forum is more appropriate

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BankingBot

 

 

 The problem with that is that the program for the forums is bought and you can't change the coding for it this is also the reason why many good suggestion in regards to the forums are often ignored.

 

 

If a user is actively scamming there isnt much we can do about it, alt accounts are everywhere and it isnt exactly hard to make another one. Our users should be doing background checks anyways and a forum where many high tier traders, veteran traders who should be well versed in scammers and similar it it never takes long for someone to call them out.

 

I can name a large amount of users on this forum who have been marked because they came here asking for advice, many users told them no because they were a scammer and they get banned

 

That's sad to hear, then the issue wouldn't be properly taken care of. What you named is a portion of the community, there could be newbies and noobs who get baited into trading with them via the forum since they thought that it should be fine and they aren't scammers if they aren't banned on the forums, before being punished for their ignorance.

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♠Derpeh♤

That's sad to hear, then the issue wouldn't be properly taken care of. What you named is a portion of the community, there could be newbies and noobs who get baited into trading with them via the forum since they thought that it should be fine and they aren't scammers if they aren't banned on the forums, before being punished for their ignorance.

http://forums.steamrep.com/pages/faq/

 

Newer users receive a verbal warning under steamrep's rules:

 

"New traders: New traders who are unaware of SteamRep will not receive penalties to their reputations, but will receive a one-time warning."

 

Hence wont be punished. Long time users on the other hand will be different but if you have been a trader for a long time background checks are mandatory and are expected, you are also given multiple warnings before you get marked. We can't make a code to prevent for idiocy im afraid :S

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PeterLG

OH NOEZ, A SCAMMER! WE MUSTN'T LET HIM INTERACT WITH OTHER TRADERZZZ!!!!!11!!

Yeah this really isn't a good idea. Maybe they got perma'd for a non-trading reason? If it was a trading reason then they should only be banned from trading subforums. Makes no sense to not let them talk to people.

 

 

Is someone trying to get away from a certain banned user?

 

 

Oh good god yes, without a doubt

This could/should reduce the amount of scammers, phishers, 'ekernermi iz dying' people and all-round idiots from invading the forums.

+1

 

They can always be perma'd from the forums as well. Just because some are like that doesn't mean all of them are.

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Hex

Fact this forum don't look down on scammers, some even calling them nice people, is just mind blowing.

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Teeny Tiny Cat

People make mistakes. You think anything and everything a person has ever done should be held against them forever, even out of context?

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♠Derpeh♤

Fact this forum don't look down on scammers, some even calling them nice people, is just mind blowing.

 

Because this is a forum full of high tier traders/veteran traders who have all seen their fair share of "questionable marks" and/or a few honest mistakes who have gotten a permanent mark to account of very respectable users who have contributed alot to the tf2 community and helped out many players.

 

When it really comes down to it all even just simple mathematics you can see the flaws of the existing rules in the tf2 community. A average high tier trade would go through lets say 15 trades a weeks, that 780 trades a year and some users have been trading for lets say 2 years that is 1560 trades completed and even if 2 of them were "bad trades" a permanent mark on your account for being a scammer.

 

Also there are the questionable bans of "trading with marked users" which is in place to prevent stolen goods from entering the market, removing the incentive for scammers to continue scamming. (if no one buys your shit you wont be wasting your time trying to sell right?) and to prevent scammers from benefiting off stolen goods. However when you look at many items like the burning TC which was originally scammed but has now moved past a few honest traders who just really wanted that hat and paid a fair amount for it are they really "scammers"?. Or this newbie who essentially got cautioned for trading a single scrap from a marked user http://forums.f-o-g.eu/threads/6810-steamrep-tag-removal-downgrade-ban-appeal-pellet.html

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TheVenomWithin

Lmao. Of course y'all defend the scammers more than me.

 

 

I'm in support of this, there's no reason for some of them to be here. (Exceptions being users that have traded with scammers and users that have requested bans, as this is (by assumption) an accident) They receive trading news and other important news that they should have otherwise have had no access to to begin with.  To say these people are "nice and good" disgusts me.

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TurboNEET

No, aslong as they dont use the trading section.

 

a lot of people on the forums are here for non-trading related stuff anyway. That includes marked people.

 

 

Lmao. Of course y'all defend the scammers more than me.

 

There's a lot of reasons for that, but lets not get started on that. This thread isn't about you. We've all seen how quickly thread about you get thrown into the GB...

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FireballNitro

Lmao. Of course y'all defend the scammers more than me.

 

 

I'm in support of this, there's no reason for some of them to be here. (Exceptions being users that have traded with scammers and users that have requested bans, as this is (by assumption) an accident) They receive trading news and other important news that they should have otherwise have had no access to to begin with.  To say these people are "nice and good" disgusts me.

Why would anyone defend you, this thread is about scammers, not you

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Roller

You can still use dynamic IP, proxy, vpn etc to evade IP bans.

 

I personally wouldn't bother making another alt just for the forums. What's the use of the forums anyways if the main account is banned on backpack.tf? 

 

If I can recall, HeavyLord did make an alt for this, but then banned and was never seen again on the forums. 

 

 

I guess only the box guy bothers to do something like this. At least he's not spamming the forums every single day though...

 

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TheVenomWithin

Why would anyone defend you, this thread is about scammers not you

I'm talking in general, obviously this thread isn't about me. I'm still genuinely surprised at the amount of disagreement OP is getting.

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Senpai Absol~

This is just fucking mind blowing how some of you think that all scammers are assholes

I cant even handle it.

 

Lmao. Of course y'all defend the scammers more than me.

 

 

I'm in support of this, there's no reason for some of them to be here. (Exceptions being users that have traded with scammers and users that have requested bans, as this is (by assumption) an accident) They receive trading news and other important news that they should have otherwise have had no access to to begin with.  To say these people are "nice and good" disgusts me.

half the forumers here don't even freaking trade on these forums and are just here to hang out

 

I'm talking in general, obviously this thread isn't about me. I'm still genuinely surprised at the amount of disagreement OP is getting.

Oh and, Most of these traders that are marked as "scammers" traded with scammers without knowing, Why shouldn't we ban sharks either? (Your not a shark, but I don't think you would have liked it if you were perma banned off these forums for being a "Shark"?)

 

-Snip-

I love you, you understand everything <3

 

They aren't allowed to use the trading part of the forum, period.

Those of you saying we shouldn't allow scammers on the forums is pretty much sterotyping them into being assholes, which a lot of them ARENT
Hell, lets perma ban every single person that has a perma op ban while we are at it for ABUSING THE REPORT SYSTEM

this is just mind blowing how some of you are being so stupid about this.

 

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