Signify Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ok so this has been bugging me for awhile so might as well make a thread. The current rep system on backpack.tf is here to encourage users to vote on prices and make suggestions as well as show experience in pricing and whatnot. While this is all well and good perhaps it is creating a bit of a problem. This is becoming less of a pricing guide and more of a community every day. With the top people competing for top contributer and other titles the only way for them to achieve such titles is to make and vote on suggestions. Whoever can change the most prices gets the most points and whoever gets the most points gets to be the coolest dude on the block. Because of this suggestions can sometimes be low at best on research and links and information is hastily gotten. Also price increases or decreases are in nominal ammounts that may not be needed. Keys, for example have only been going up in increments of a scrap for the most part. Keys also have the most votes and therefore get the most points so key suggestions are practically daily. Some prices need to be left alone but instead are slightly altered perhaps to gain points. 2nd problem I have is people taking the stars as a way of showing that the suggestion is good. Im not going to lie. Like everyone else when I started using this website if I saw an admin had made a suggestion I immediately upvoted because it was sure to get through. Granted this is not always true and I have since changed the way I vote, If someone with a blue or green star or an admin makes a suggestion generally they get many many upvotes simply because they are an admin or a top member. Of course there is no way to prove this but logic would point to this conclusion. Thats about it, as a owner of a lowly gold star im probably going to get hated on for suggesting such a thing, perhaps even the argument could be made that I am simply jelous of the admins and the other top contributers "swag" but of course all of this is meaningless speculation and of course innacurate. Give me your thoughts PS to take away the seriousness of this post I have included a 60's spiderman picture that made me giggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jymotion Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/376-blue-star-test/ check around the forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double0me Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I completely agree with you. http://backpack.tf/v…bd7b88805000015 - A suggestion like this wouldn't have go ten nearly as many UpVotes with the proof it has if it were to have been made by a person with a white star. Because of this is the REP system Flawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeMcCoolName Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Well, for the most part, people who have blue belts/are top contributors do their due dilligence before voting or suggestion. And after all, what does rep on bp.tf mean? its not going to get you anywhere in unusual trading, and regular trades wouldn't even know what you're referring to.... And people will go after key suggestions due to the fact that a range is usually quite easy to prove (since its such a moved item)..... With key pricing, you have to keep something in mind. Tons of hats are updated monthly, and there are usually 10~ trades on OP at any given time? vs. Keys which are updated far more often due to the fact that you have over 400 trades every 5 minutes (buy/sell)......so 400 trades every 5 minutes vs. 200 in days.....One is clearly going to fluctuate more, and one is clearly going to be easier to prove. (Especially since, most hat sell trades get closed once the hat is sold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double0me Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/376-blue-star-test/ check around the forums That became locked for me, is it locked for everybody? Sorry for me not knowing, I am very new to this site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jymotion Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I completely agree with you. http://backpack.tf/v…bd7b88805000015 - A suggestion like this wouldn't have go ten nearly as many UpVotes with the proof it has if it were to have been made by a person with a white star. Because of this is the REP system Flawed? Everyone who upvoted that post lost rep (or failed to gain it, whatever the system is) since it was not approved by a moderator. Not the best example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double0me Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Everyone who upvoted that post lost rep (or failed to gain it, whatever the system is) since it was not approved by a moderator. Not the best example. The reason it went down is because a mod thought it was another test and it is a great example. If a person with a white belt or yellow belt would have made that suggestion do you think it would have gotten a fractions of the UpVotes it got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jymotion Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The reason it went down is because a mod thought it was another test and it is a great example. If a person with a white belt or yellow belt would have made that suggestion do you think it would have gotten a fractions of the UpVotes it got? I think it would have been torn apart if suggested by a new user. I made a post in the suggestion section discussing the removal of belts/stars. I don't believe an overhaul of the rep system is necessary at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief D Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The reason it went down is because a mod thought it was another test and it is a great example. If a person with a white belt or yellow belt would have made that suggestion do you think it would have gotten a fractions of the UpVotes it got? It's a prefect example of why the current system works. People who see the blue belt and upvote because of it, got -rep because the price was not accurate. Meaning, check before you vote, no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC22 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think it would have been torn apart if suggested by a new user. I made a post in the suggestion section discussing the removal of belts/stars. I don't believe an overhaul of the rep system is necessary at the moment.What wrong with stars? Maybe a "Suggestions accepted" text?It's a prefect example of why the current system works. People who see the blue belt and upvote because of it, got -rep because the price was not accurate. Meaning, check before you vote, no matter what.Leave it to the moderators to say something right, I am so uneloquent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jymotion Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 What wrong with stars? Maybe a "Suggestions accepted" text? Check out the link for the discussion. Also, the stars already show how many have been accepted when you hover over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signify Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/376-blue-star-test/ check around the forums I read the desc unlike many others, it is relevant but this is just the test as the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signify Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Well, for the most part, people who have blue belts/are top contributors do their due dilligence before voting or suggestion. And after all, what does rep on bp.tf mean? its not going to get you anywhere in unusual trading, and regular trades wouldn't even know what you're referring to.... And people will go after key suggestions due to the fact that a range is usually quite easy to prove (since its such a moved item)..... With key pricing, you have to keep something in mind. Tons of hats are updated monthly, and there are usually 10~ trades on OP at any given time? vs. Keys which are updated far more often due to the fact that you have over 400 trades every 5 minutes (buy/sell)......so 400 trades every 5 minutes vs. 200 in days.....One is clearly going to fluctuate more, and one is clearly going to be easier to prove. (Especially since, most hat sell trades get closed once the hat is sold) Thanks for the input, all im suggesting is maybe the rep system encourages wayyyyyy to many suggestions and contributions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double0me Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513d13c44bd7b81502000009 - passed with 1 link of proof http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c573b4bd7b8a22100000d - passed with 3 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c51c84bd7b89b6e000009 - passed with 3 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c4fa24bd7b81174000001 - passed with 2 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c4de64bd7b85b1f00000b - passed with 2 links If a person with a white or gold star made these suggestions with this proof do you think they would have passed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC22 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513d13c44bd7b81502000009 - passed with 1 link of proof http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c573b4bd7b8a22100000d - passed with 3 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c51c84bd7b89b6e000009 - passed with 3 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c4fa24bd7b81174000001 - passed with 2 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c4de64bd7b85b1f00000b - passed with 2 links If anybody that didn't have a blue star made these suggestions with this proof do you think they would have passed? Yes. I passed a one link suggestion as an orange star, and a two linker too. Though the amount a downvotes was a tad scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC22 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Thanks for the input, all im suggesting is maybe the rep system encourages wayyyyyy to many suggestions and contributionsMore suggestions, (albeit with the troll ones like yours hue) is better than less.You wouldn't want bp.tf to turn into spreadsheet would you, with barely nothing ever being updated and the mods having to make changes all day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double0me Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Yes. I passed a one link suggestion as an orange star, and a two linker too. Though the amount a downvotes was a tad scary.I should have reworded that, Do you think any would have passed if a person with a white or yellow star would have made the suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killjoy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513d13c44bd7b81502000009 - passed with 1 link of proof http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c573b4bd7b8a22100000d - passed with 3 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c51c84bd7b89b6e000009 - passed with 3 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c4fa24bd7b81174000001 - passed with 2 links http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513c4de64bd7b85b1f00000b - passed with 2 links If anybody that didn't have a blue star made these suggestions with this proof do you think they would have passed? Yes. If the prices are right they pass (save for a mod screw up). If the prices are wrong they don't. What might happen with White belts is people see no proof and try to look for counter-proof. Then, they find proof supporting the suggestion, and post it there to defend the guy (as I have done one or two times in the past). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signify Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Hey guys, Please stop trying to prove the everyone upvotes the admins point. This is mainly about too many suggestions in an attempt to gain rep The other point was mainly an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killjoy Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 As long as the suggestions are correct I see nothing wrong with it. Whether they were lazily made or not, if they're accurate I'm okay with them being made/passing. After all, as much as the objective is to get more rep, they're still doing something beneficial, which is making the pricelist as accurate as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Crud Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 But a lot of these just have 1/2 links of proof. Maybe if they find themselves claiming that those 1/2 links were the only ones on outpost, they should hold off on a suggestion instead of letting some bozo's trade set the price for an item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranwell96 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 If a person with a white or gold star made these suggestions with this proof do you think they would have passed? As an orange belt I've done a few suggestions without much proof. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5117b707ba2536e54e000002 one single trade http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5121644eba25369f15000001 three trades http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513bc8d2ba25361c5e00001b four trades Edit: Back to the topic. There is a limit on the amount of points you gain per suggestion. I think it's up to 15 points for upvotes>downvotes, and a 10 point bonus if the suggestion passes. So a 1000 vote key suggestion hardly affects rep. I can't remember if likes/dislikes affect your points. Correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double0me Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 As an orange belt I've done a few suggestions without much proof. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5117b707ba2536e54e000002 one single trade http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5121644eba25369f15000001 three trades http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513bc8d2ba25361c5e00001b four trades Those first couple links had a reasonable amount of proof and only 3 links for the third one. All of those trades didn't get that many votes overall, Jazz's suggestion with just 1 trade of proof had a ton of upvotes because just 1 person was willing to buy 1 item. You also have a orange star, to me orange is where the line is draw. Orange is where you are smart enough o know what you are doing and yellow and white are the very new people that you need to look at the links they have because they very well might be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Crud Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Maybe the star next to the suggester's name should be removed from thesuggestion box and I think since voting is basically useless, rep shouldbe given by the mods to the suggester upon acceptance of the pricesuggestion. I'm not sure if anyone else agrees but I'm just brainstorming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC22 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 As an orange belt I've done a few suggestions without much proof. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5117b707ba2536e54e000002 one single trade http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5121644eba25369f15000001 three trades http://backpack.tf/vote/id/513bc8d2ba25361c5e00001b four trades Edit: Back to the topic. There is a limit on the amount of points you gain per suggestion. I think it's up to 15 points for upvotes>downvotes, and a 10 point bonus if the suggestion passes. So a 1000 vote key suggestion hardly affects rep. I can't remember if likes/dislikes affect your points. Correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers. Lets all go price utterly useless items because only maximum of 25 rep points. Why price an important item and get hate? Abandon pricing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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