Thoughts on the Steam Discussions saying bp.tf is ruining the economy?

[Vaccinated Autist]

E.G. : http://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/618457398971577491/

[many of those threads happened.]

In my opinion.

they cannot use their brains properly.

backpack.tf reflects. the current econom, not controls the economy.

 

if bp.tf controls the prices,a monopoly will happen.

pricing mods will be the richest above all.

 

so what are your thoughts?

 

[Spicy Ham]

E.G. : http://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/618457398971577491/

[many of those threads happened.]

In my opinion.

they cannot use their brains properly.

backpack.tf reflects. the current econom, not controls the economy.

 

if bp.tf controls the prices,a monopoly will happen.

pricing mods will be the richest above all.

 

so what are your thoughts?

Whilst the argument of backpack.tf controlling the economy is untrue, it is undeniable that backpack.tf effects the economy to a heavy degree (For better or worse I don't know)

You can't possibly say that backpack.tf JUST reflects the economy; which would imply that assuming if no site like backpack.tf where to exist the economy would be anywhere near similar to it is now.

 

Both views of "Backpack.tf controls the economy" and "Backpack.tf doesn't effect the economy" are as asinine as each other.

[Prof. TrollDemo Ph.D]

steam discussions still exist? why?

>inb4 to discuss things

[♛ AlphaOmega ♛]

E.G. : http://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/618457398971577491/

[many of those threads happened.]

In my opinion.

they cannot use their brains properly.

backpack.tf reflects. the current econom, not controls the economy.

 

if bp.tf controls the prices,a monopoly will happen.

pricing mods will be the richest above all.

 

so what are your thoughts?

You cant say that it isnt in part bp.tf's fault. Bp.tf does its job, but even time and again, polar has admitted that bp.tf's influence has caused inflations. In its time, spreadsheet was also a reason for some inflated prices due to greedy people who could change prices any time. Of course, that doesnt happen here, but the influence is certainly there.

 

Im not going to sit here and act like bp.tf is totally innocent, but they arent to blame.

[Vaccinated Autist]

You cant say that it isnt in part bp.tf's fault. Bp.tf does its job, but even time and again, polar has admitted that bp.tf's influence has caused inflations. In its time, spreadsheet was also a reason for some inflated prices due to greedy people who could change prices any time. Of course, that doesnt happen here, but the influence is certainly there.

 

Im not going to sit here and act like bp.tf is totally innocent, but they arent to blame.

i can't say anything,but polar's true,bp.tf does only reflects,but people is just using it as a price source

[Ward - MvM Anyone?]

Bp.tf doesn't reflect anything. Whether it was meant to or not, it doesn't reflect a price and never will. It controls a price. Know why it controls prices?

BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY DECENT PRICE CHECKER IN TF2!

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

bp.tf is influential to a certain degree. I think this is noticeable on keys, once it raises, people realize they need to sell higher for more profit so... they do.

[The Radiated Banana]

Saying it reflects prices is what a bp.tf fanboi would say

 

Yeah sure it was made to be that way

 

But really, if you look at many trends involving inflation or deflation of prices, backpack.tf probably has had some influence on it.

 

You cant really say people dont panic when the price of their shit drops.

[poesjesvanger]

yes bp.t does iinmy op

[1+1=3 ?]

Lol. Even polar admitted that bp.tf influence the market. And u still said bp.tf only reflect price. What do u want me to say.

 

Noob know nothing and they will treat bp.tf as bible. Bp.tf is the only website that can indicate the price nicely. No one has that much time to check every post in OP (even the pro trader. Unless unusual)

 

If bp.tf doesn't influence the market, why there is a cooldown rule.

[scout608]

it definitely does have an impact

[AiR²³]

It is Valve's fault for letting TF2 degenerate into a typical f2p noobgame... Sure, this trend is not new but what is new is:

CS:Go & Dota 2 offer more competitive gameplay and the same (better) trading experience on top of it.

So people that want to play and trade actually have choices, now.

 

So what we basically have is a economy with zero demand but loads of supply.

And that is where backpack.tf plays it's fatal role.

 

Let's say Earbuds are 10 keys according to bp.tf. (because they reflected the current pricing situation)

In a market where many people would want Earbuds, traders could just rise the asking price to 11 keys and they would be abled to sell. A few days later, the new price reflection on bp.tf would be 11 keys.

 

But with no demand, the only people buying are people thinking they can make a profit. So sellers have to undercut the current bp.tf price or they won't sell, ever.

Just for pricing "experts" to pick up on the undercutting, setting a new lower price. And that price has to be undercut in order to move your items, obviously. Cycle repeats...

 

We have a historic low of casual traders trying to just build cool cosmetic or strange loadouts. The only people left trading are people trading for profit.

 

Back to the topic, backpack.tf is not ruining the economy. People ditching TF2 (trading) for better games is.

[Keroro1454]

It is Valve's fault for letting TF2 degenerate into a typical f2p noobgame... Sure, this trend is not new but what is new is:

CS:Go & Dota 2 offer more competitive gameplay and the same (better) trading experience on top of it.

So people that want to play and trade actually have choices, now.

 

So what we basically have is a economy with zero demand but loads of supply.

And that is where backpack.tf plays it's fatal role.

 

Let's say Earbuds are 10 keys according to bp.tf. (because they reflected the current pricing situation)

In a market where many people would want Earbuds, traders could just rise the asking price to 11 keys and they would be abled to sell. A few days later, the new price reflection on bp.tf would be 11 keys.

 

But with no demand, the only people buying are people thinking they can make a profit. So sellers have to undercut the current bp.tf price or they won't sell, ever.

Just for pricing "experts" to pick up on the undercutting, setting a new lower price. And that price has to be undercut in order to move your items, obviously. Cycle repeats...

 

We have a historic low of casual traders trying to just build cool cosmetic or strange loadouts. The only people left trading are people trading for profit.

 

Back to the topic, backpack.tf is not ruining the economy. People ditching TF2 (trading) for better games is.

 

1. Lol, CS:GO offers a better trading experience. That's only true if you're really good at predicting trends. Otherwise, the economy is far too unstable to be wide-spread. As for Dota, people even trade there? I though it was basically only comp.

2. Oh boy, another GUYS TF2 IS DED announcer. Again, that is true only in the sense of the highly competitive.

3. People don't want buds as much because they are dropping, and because keys are becoming the most useful item, and thus the best currency. Buds were a "self-made" currency, it just kinda got decided, whereas keys have a had a legit use, and thus a reason to be traded for.

4. I do agree that there are a lot of people trying for profit right now,although if that's the case, the overall market values will represent that. We can't change it because we don't like it, or else then backpack.tf really would have control over the economy.

[Hazza]

The ones with horrible grammar: Dipshits

The ones who make valid points and have a decent grasp of English: Fair enough

Me: I don't really care. The prices are the prices. Besides, they're decided by the market, which is then influencing the market? k

[Distinctively Vincent]

People have complained about pricing guides since the very first spreadsheet started circulating in the first months of trading. Price guides have always been accused of destroying trading in some shape or form. Trading has continued for four and a half years in spite of the continued existence of price guides throughout that time span, and so has the popularity of pricing guides. While the complaints get louder whenever the steam trading economy is undergoing a noteworthy change, it's never anything new.

[Gren]

Isn't it kind of ironic that the very people complaining about backpack.tf prices are those that would be hopelessly lost and sharked if they didn't have access to community prices?

[0bsidianFire]

Does bp.tf impact the market? Sure, it does. But the market would be way, way more unstable without it and tradeing wouldn't be anywhere near as convinet without it.

 

It's also pretty easy to plan with once a trader knows how the system works and what to look out for.

 

I just think that anyone who says that bp.tf is bad for the economy doesn't know how much worse off the economy would be without it.

[Professional Map Painter]

Tf2pc never got complaints iirc but the spreadshit did because it was run by one corrupt owner.