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Suggestion Question: V. Sergeant's Drill Hat, 12 ref, A Delicious Cashew

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Hello. I would like to preface this question by stating that I could care less about a hat I own losing its value by 2 ref. It happens, I understand that. After all, I have lost multiple keys from a perfectly valid unusual price suggestion. However, my problem with this suggestion is that it is completely and utterly invalid, per bp.tf's own price suggestion thread (http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion/)


  • "You have to provide multiple links of proof: one trade does not represent the entire market!"


However, one link of proof was provided in this suggestion, and the suggestion was accepted by a moderator.


Link to Invalid Suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/551590d6b98d88287a8b4667


Link to (my) Counter-suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5515ec92b88d884b678b4627


While I realize it is invalid to raise a price merely by showing the price a seller is looking for (after all, everyone is free to price his/her item at what he/she wants), this had been a stable, agreed upon price for months. A quick search through TF2Outpost will show nearly 5 pages of traders selling this item, with only one of those traders looking for 12 ref for his hat. The others, almost without exception, are looking for 14 ref and above.


Please follow the link to my counter-suggestion, but the links I use as "proof" (which aren't proof necessarily to "raise" a price, but rather proof that 14 ref was the price this item had been bought and sold for for quite a long time, and what traders listed for. These links are merely to show that the original suggestion was incorrect in its price, and used one link to {inaccurately} show the entire entire market.) are below.


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25503097 -- 13 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25485183 -- 14 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25476724 -- 14 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25495270 -- 14 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25163991 -- 14 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25413500 -- 14 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25431579 -- 14 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25496977 -- 14 ref



The following links were posted by another account on the original invalid suggestion, and I cannot vouch for their validity.



"Objection! (AKA Counter-Proof)

Aren't there wayyyy more sellers on 13 ref and above than the 12 ref you posted?

13 ref


14 ref







But shall i be the one who's wrong here, explain to me why."


My problem with this suggestion is that a moderator didn't follow the bp.tf price suggestion rules. He saw that a trader with plenty of suggestion reputation had made a suggestion, provided a link, and he also saw that other people have upvoted this suggestion (quite obviously without looking at any of the links of proof). Seemingly without thinking, he accepted the price change.


I would appreciate knowing if I made some mistake, and that one link can and does accurately portray the entire market for a single item, or if an admin made a mistake. We are all human, and I understand that mistakes are made (either on my part or an mod's, I have yet to find out). All I ask, if I provided enough links of evidence, or if some folly was found to be on the mod's part, is that this price to be changed back in such a way that accurately portrays the entire market, rather than the price that one trader was looking for.


Thank you for your time, and careful consideration. :)

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Your post was just sellers at or above bp.tf who had not sold yet. His was proof that even those below bp.tf don't sell, so it needed a drop.

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For limited markets, very few sellers are needed to lower the price, sometimes only 1 is required.

It got accepted since it was 2 weeks unsold.

If the Drills does not sell for 12 ref in 2 weeks, it is very unlikely to sell for 13 or 14 ref thus making the range 12 ref flat.

If the trade was young though, you'd be right to question the suggestion.

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Vintage trading is a niche market; it's not as easy as trading uniques. What's the point of paying more for a "vintage" item when the unique version does and looks the exact same?


Either way, one unsold shouldn't be enough to alter an entire price.

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It's a very small market, so 1 seller is enough, considering it is 2 weeks old. You can't raise the price of an item with sellers, only buyers and sales. I want to sell my scrap metal for 10 ref. Does that make it worth 10 ref?

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