buds are droping trade is dying... yeah right.

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

I see a lot of seasonal traders goes like that as I am describing on the title.

 I am selling high tier rare items that worth several keys I am done with ref trading so i cant tell what happens atm on the low tier market but as much as I am concerned I had no problems selling overpriced items in steam market for whatever the price is

 as an example

 my simple hhhh killstreak kits sell just fine for double the invested pure

 the strangifiers for the hhhh the same

 sold 2 unusuals on steam market at my b.o in keys in 2 weeks.

also I had 1 trade with the old fashion way of a high tier duped unusual in my b.o

 

 The only thing that changed for me is the numbers of ppl I block that do not fulfill my criteria for a trade

o level profiles (new accounts/scammers and what not) I block at least 5 per day.

So my question is how is it possible in a dying economy to have all those scammers wannabe I really hope the trades die if that make those kind of behavior extinct from steam.

 

 

note:today till now there are almost 10000 sells for tf2 keys.

someone must inform those buyers that the game is dead and they are hurting their interests.

 

I am trying to be sarcastic.excuse me if I failed.

no the economy is more stable than ever and scm helped with that.

 remember that buds where traded for a couple of paints back in 2011 at 11 keys today they still hold a value somewhat high imo.

but in a market with such a huge amount of options you can choose from to invest/spend,buying buds is really not that appealing.

 especially if you allready have at least one. for collecting purposes(the collector value of buds ofcourse is a non exist thing.its nothing but a tux)

 

thats all my dead trader friends.

 if you think that a market dies because an item drops in price then trading is not for you

and if you cannot foresee things like that then dont trade.

 

 

[Utsoob]

TL;DR: trade is not kill

[Ixenzo]

TL;DR

[HusKy]

Can't take you seriously when you write a post that looks like a pre-schooler's scribble.

[Khaos]

Can't take you seriously when you write a post that looks like a pre-schooler's scribble.

 

Rektd

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

Can't take you seriously when you write a post that looks like a pre-schooler's scribble.

I can write it in greeks it will be more scientific and I can use words I cant translate but would that be any helpfull for those that only speak english?

at least I speak and write in 4 languages in a preschool kind a way.

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

Rektd

what are you 5?if you want to lick a mods ass do so in another thread pls. jesus.

[Peanuts]

I am trying to be sarcastic.excuse me if I failed.

 

Hard to tell where you are sarcastic and where you aren't due to a lack of formatting

 

 

 if you think that a market dies because an item drops in price then trading is not for you

and if you cannot foresee things like that then dont trade.

 

The market "dying" is not a consequence of buds falling but instead is only a symptom.

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

Hard to tell where you are sarcastic and where you aren't due to a lack of formatting

 

 

The market "dying" is not a consequence of buds falling but instead is only a symptom.

today 10000 keys have sold

they buy quite much for dead ppl,is all I am saying.

[Bobsplosion]

what are you 5?

Pot, meet Kettle.

[puddingkip]

Seriously guys? He wrote a serious topic and all you do is hate on somebody's second language? And I agree skapa, anything priced in keys or above is fine

[stohpidarsesheet]

Seriously guys? He wrote a serious topic and all you do is hate on somebody's second language? And I agree skapa, anything priced in keys or above is fine

hahahahaha

PEOPLE HERE ARE RETARDED (NOT EVERYONE)

they don't even know what's funny and what's not

 

im retarded, too

[AwesomeMcCoolName]

The thing I always find funny is that the only reason buds increased to 28 keys in the first place was because keys were dropping in USD due to carders, and then there was the normal seasonal shift between 25-30 keys~. After carders were stopped buds slowly started to drop, first to 15-20 seasonally, then to 11-16~ seasonally (where they are now).

[Utsoob]

hahahahaha

PEOPLE HERE ARE RETARDED (NOT EVERYONE)

they don't even know what's funny and what's not

 

im retarded, too

I say the emotes and memes can cause that.

[Gren]

 

no the economy is more stable than ever and scm helped with that.

 

 

You provide no arguments to support this, other than the fact that you've recently successfully sold items on SCM.  

 

Sorry to say, but everyone who says "economy is totally stable, everything is fine, nothing out of the ordinary is happening", is not looking at the numbers.  

 

 

Oct '12 - Jul '14:  Smooth incline, stable upward trend

Oct '14 - Dec '14:  extreme incline, trend not observed before in the data; This isn't necessarily instability, but it sure as hell isn't status-quo.  Something is happening right now to keys, that hasn't happened before, at least not to the same severe extent.

 

I'm not ringing alarm bells, I'm not cashing out, I'm not saying the economy is dead or even dying.  But c'mon guys, just look at the graph.  The spike we've seen in the past 2 months is not a trend that's been observed before.  Something has changed.    

[Khaos]

what are you 5?

 

I'll have you know I'm 4 and 3/4s. 

[LookAtMyChicken]

Economy is dead, dying, and has been for quite some time.

 

Everyone that says otherwise is doing exactly this as someone has stated over a month ago

 

 

 

Whats that little Timmy?

Buds are going to drop to under $25 causing every single unusual out there to be repriced?

Metal is unwanted and has been for over a year now?

Trade numbers are down?

People are cashing out every day and making posts in these forums daily about moving to cs:go?

Keys are still going up yet there are more keys in existence than ever before?

Other limited promos dropped by over 50% of their previous value?

When I go to craft a hat I get 4,550 different combinations of shit hats I can craft?

They havent retired any hats in over a year?

They rushed everything they released this year?

Valve didn't want to hire any fraud analysts because of their OWN FUCKUP with the gem duping glitch so they're going to punish the entire trading community with 7 day holds because they are too lazy or it isn't profitable enough for them to hire a few people? Oh thats right they don't care because no one here even knows the definition of the word 'boycott' and will keep pumping money into Valve's retirement fund.

 

Nope nope, everything is JUST fine. Uncle Gaben has your wallet everything under control. Go about your business, folks.

[woodenturkey]

You provide no arguments to support this, other than the fact that you've recently successfully sold items on SCM.  

 

Sorry to say, but everyone who says "economy is totally stable, everything is fine, nothing out of the ordinary is happening", is not looking at the numbers.  

 

 

Oct '12 - Jul '14:  Smooth incline, stable upward trend

Oct '14 - Dec '14:  extreme incline, trend not observed before in the data; This isn't necessarily instability, but it sure as hell isn't status-quo.  Something is happening right now to keys, that hasn't happened before, at least not to the same severe extent.

 

I'm not ringing alarm bells, I'm not cashing out, I'm not saying the economy is dead or even dying.  But c'mon guys, just look at the graph.  The spike we've seen in the past 2 months is not a trend that's been observed before.  Something has changed.    

I know everyone is tired of me being "that guy", so I wont rattle off all the stuff from my other posts, but you are right, the atmosphere is different now and mid tier items that used to get decent pure offers are seeing nothing for days or even weeks.  Oh whats this http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24210517buds at 11 keys...... buds for 12 no offers for 3 days http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24161954 This time last year I would never have to wait more than a day to clear out buds, now you have trades that go for days with zero offers. So with people selling at 11; 10.5 then 10 could come just as easy.

[Heated Bread]

Since the vast majority of TF2 players do not buy things with actual money, their only way to obtain things like buds, keys, etc. is by working their way up through normal item trading with whatever drops they get weekly and whatever profit they can make that way.  Since the value of refined is continually dropping, they find keys harder and harder to obtain as time goes on.  The market in general has such an obsession with keys that this has led to a huge outpouring of bitching and whining from this large segment of traders who don't deal with cash. 

 

It is essentially one giant collective overly dramatic tantrum.  It can safely be ignored.  With things like the community market, it should be easy for people to adapt.  However, a lot of these idiots are used to simply following price suggestions; they buy under suggested prices and sell at or above them.  This can't be done on the market, so they haven't much of a clue what to do other than to buy trading cards for a scrap each or some silly shit like that.

 

I'm not even going to get into all the wannabe sharks.

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

Economy is dead, dying, and has been for quite some time.

 

Everyone that says otherwise is doing exactly this as someone has stated over a month ago

 

 

 

Whats that little Timmy?

Buds are going to drop to under $25 causing every single unusual out there to be repriced?

Metal is unwanted and has been for over a year now?

Trade numbers are down?

People are cashing out every day and making posts in these forums daily about moving to cs:go?

Keys are still going up yet there are more keys in existence than ever before?

Other limited promos dropped by over 50% of their previous value?

When I go to craft a hat I get 4,550 different combinations of shit hats I can craft?

They havent retired any hats in over a year?

They rushed everything they released this year?

Valve didn't want to hire any fraud analysts because of their OWN FUCKUP with the gem duping glitch so they're going to punish the entire trading community with 7 day holds because they are too lazy or it isn't profitable enough for them to hire a few people? Oh thats right they don't care because no one here even knows the definition of the word 'boycott' and will keep pumping money into Valve's retirement fund.

 

Nope nope, everything is JUST fine. Uncle Gaben has your wallet everything under control. Go about your business, folks.

i cashed out 20 buds for an upgrade on my pc and made them back in 1 month from trades the most profit occurred during Halloween i made 300 euro in 3 hours at the 2nd day of the update.

 saying the market is dead cause buds drop is stupid but yes I see your point witch I totally  disagree

if you where betting for buds banking to profit then you do poor choices that all.

 unusuals>buds first has a value and a rarity the second does not have neither of both.

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

I know everyone is tired of me being "that guy", so I wont rattle off all the stuff from my other posts, but you are right, the atmosphere is different now and mid tier items that used to get decent pure offers are seeing nothing for days or even weeks.  Oh whats this http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24210517buds at 11 keys...... buds for 12 no offers for 3 days http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24161954 This time last year I would never have to wait more than a day to clear out buds, now you have trades that go for days with zero offers. So with people selling at 11; 10.5 then 10 could come just as easy.

ppl nowdays can afford more ref to pay for keys this is far from the market is crashing

.

imo this brings more keys in the economy through the store since noone is willing to collect 3 years drops to trade for a key.

I dont see what is bad with that and how this is able to crash the market.

 

market will be dead when there are keys on the market for 1$ and no buyers.that is a dead market.chances for this to happen are practically zero.

 

10 keys for buds that is way optimistic for my standards.make that 3-5 keys and i say sure maybe they settle there.still high though.

just because you wait 3 days to get offers on buds that does not kill the market.unless buds is the market and noone told me.

of course you wont get any offers at 12 keys mate everyone is selling for 11.its not rocket science.

[puddingkip]

ppl nowdays can afford more ref to pay for keys this is far from the market is crashing

.

imo this brings more keys in the economy through the store since noone is willing to collect 3 years drops to trade for a key.

I dont see what is bad with that and how this is able to crash the market.

 

market will be dead when there are keys on the market for 1$ and no buyers.that is a dead market.chances for this to happen are practically zero.

So much this. Russian Rubel is dead because people were selling for 2-3 $ cents under market price, yet not finding any buyers. On currency markets this is insane and caused mass panic and the Rubel to be more instable than most African currencies. This is what kills a market, and if not helped an economy. Russian economy is desperately attempting to stop it but isn't successful (17.5% interest rates) as of yet.

Key-ref prices in tf2 do not show the state of the economy. Key-bud ratio doss slightly but with everybody spending their Christmas money on unusuals in January they are very likely to stabilise and buds gaining key and $ value.

 

People will want a nice hat but unless you're Woifi you're gonna pay that in buds and not keys. Increase in demand (with a completely stable supply due to a limited number of them existing) will lead to a higher price.

 

And to everybody stating people only say this from their own interests: I have a 4$ backpack, with everything >.33 being there to stay forever. The state of the tf2 economy does not affect me at all. I say this from an economists (in education) perspective.

[Swag Inc]

So much this. Russian Rubel is dead because people were selling for 2-3 $ cents under market price, yet not finding any buyers. On currency markets this is insane and caused mass panic and the Rubel to be more instable than most African currencies. This is what kills a market, and if not helped an economy. Russian economy is desperately attempting to stop it but isn't successful (17.5% interest rates) as of yet.

Key-ref prices in tf2 do not show the state of the economy. Key-bud ratio doss slightly but with everybody spending their Christmas money on unusuals in January they are very likely to stabilise and buds gaining key and $ value.

 

People will want a nice hat but unless you're Woifi you're gonna pay that in buds and not keys. Increase in demand (with a completely stable supply due to a limited number of them existing) will lead to a higher price.

 

And to everybody stating people only say this from their own interests: I have a 4$ backpack, with everything >.33 being there to stay forever. The state of the tf2 economy does not affect me at all. I say this from an economists (in education) perspective.

I really hope you're right man. Buds reaching 10 keys now and I wish the mods of backpack.tf would post an announcement or something to explain the community what is going on and calm the panic. Delaying the votes and lagging behind the market doesn't help, it accelerates the process as people just start ignoring backpack's price more and more.

[❤ΣκαπανέαςGr❤]

I really hope you're right man. Buds reaching 10 keys now and I wish the mods of backpack.tf would post an announcement or something to explain the community what is going on and calm the panic. Delaying the votes and lagging behind the market doesn't help, it accelerates the process as people just start ignoring backpack's price more and more.

that is the best I heard from that situation I really hope ppl will start to use their brains when pricing and not 3rd party pricing guides.

[puddingkip]

I really hope you're right man. Buds reaching 10 keys now and I wish the mods of backpack.tf would post an announcement or something to explain the community what is going on and calm the panic. Delaying the votes and lagging behind the market doesn't help, it accelerates the process as people just start ignoring backpack's price more and more.

Yes, but this is problematic as it technically is an intervention of bp.tf staff on the market which it has always aimed not to do. How will it affect the credibility of bp.tf as an independent source of information when they're intervening (or as the plebs will call it: manipulating) on the market? Tf2spreadsheet didn't fare well after people saw the leader manipulate. This isn't nearly the same but will the userbase understand it? I doubt it. Also omg swag replying to me saying I'm smart