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Miami Nights Tyrant's Helm

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/546b098dba8d88bb398b45a4

I honestly do not understand why this price suggestion got accepted, expect the fact it got a lot of up votes.

 

this price suggestion was posted yesterday, and got accepted only in a couple of hours.

Though, there's only "1 sale". The sale is a link to an outpost listing from a month ago; the user that bought the unusual left an offer on the post that was accepted, but that offer has been permanently hidden by a tf2outpost moderator 2 weeks ago, since that user became a marked scammer. So, it doesnt even show what the accepted offer was. It might be going off backpack.tf inventory history, though the buyer isnt even in the history of the items in the alleged trade. (DBD Hotrod and Earbud)

 

Then there's included 1 rejected offer from a tf2outpost listing. (It was actually my post) Which shouldn't be counted as proof.

 

DBD Hot Rod: http://backpack.tf/item/2240066915

Earbud: http://backpack.tf/item/91817819

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polar is being too trigger happy

What i think is that the suggester provided valid proof to the price, and that is also helped by the fact it got 90% + upvotes. 

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For once one of these isn't about me XD

 

Offers are fine as proof if they're above the sales. In this case, it also serves to negate some of the perceived shakiness of that first sale.

Which, by the way, is indeed most likely based on backpack histories. A mod would definitely have confirmed the legitimacy of this sale before the suggestion was accepted.

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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22880064- the sale in question went for disco hotrod + 1 buds + 1 key in sweets. Item histories match up here - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198002264111?time=1411974000. It is ~2.5.

 

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22923362- 50 keys pure - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197986895803?time=1413702000 - 3.3 pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23437247- both of these for one, it seems. Won't be valued more than 3.5.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23609182- b/o 3.5. Sold for an unpriced hat

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22936643- looks like ~3.5 after overpay - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198017070007?time=1412406000. Lucha is a bit old, especially for a new effect.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22880098- dead prez bonk ~2.7? There's a seller at 2.7. Current price is 5 months old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23223393- 2.6

 

Sales at 2.5, 2.6, 2.7?, 3.3 pure, 3.5, 3.5. Looks like it might be 2.5-3.5. Feel free to resuggest if you'd like. The accepted price was pretty close and much better than the current, though it could use a bit of tweaking.

 

polar is being too trigger happy

What i think is that the suggester provided valid proof to the price, and that is also helped by the fact it got 90% + upvotes. 

 

I didn't even accept it...

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For once one of these isn't about me XD

 

Offers are fine as proof if they're above the sales. In this case, it also serves to negate some of the perceived shakiness of that first sale.

Which, by the way, is indeed most likely based on backpack histories. A mod would definitely have confirmed the legitimacy of this sale before the suggestion was accepted.

 

Thank you for responding. I can understand if there were multiple offers around the same price range to be used as proof. I don't really agree that one offer alone can reflect the market value and be used as proof.

 

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22880064- the sale in question went for disco hotrod + 1 buds + 1 key in sweets. Item histories match up here - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198002264111?time=1411974000. It is ~2.5.

 

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22923362- 50 keys pure - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197986895803?time=1413702000 - 3.3 pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23437247- both of these for one, it seems. Won't be valued more than 3.5.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23609182- b/o 3.5. Sold for an unpriced hat

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22936643- looks like ~3.5 after overpay - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198017070007?time=1412406000. Lucha is a bit old, especially for a new effect.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22880098- dead prez bonk ~2.7? There's a seller at 2.7. Current price is 5 months old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23223393- 2.6

 

Sales at 2.5, 2.6, 2.7?, 3.3 pure, 3.5, 3.5. Looks like it might be 2.5-3.5. Feel free to resuggest if you'd like. The accepted price was pretty close and much better than the current, though it could use a bit of tweaking.

 

 

I didn't even accept it...

 

Thank you for adding in some more evidence. I agree the past suggested price was abit high and I'll most likely resuggest.

 

edited: typo

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Thank you for responding. I can understand if there were multiple offers around the same price range to be used as proof. I don't really agree that one offer alone can reflect the market value and be used as proof.

Why not? One sale can.

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Why not? One sale can.

To my understanding a 1 sale price suggestion is for if there is only a rarity of sales for an unusual. Like for example, the Burning TC, only one has sold in a year's time.

 

Like blind polar bear has shown there has been a lot of sales of theMiami Nights Tyrants in recent history. There should have been alot more research done before submitting that suggestion. Honestly, the accepted one wasn't too far off, but i am just surprised that it had such little evidence to back it and it still got accepted.

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It's a shitty Miami hat what do you expect.

Guess what Unusual OP has in his backpack.

I died.

I'm guessing OP has one?

EDIT: lol yup

 

So much hate :/ no need to be rude. I do agree that this unusual needed a lower suggested price. Though, I disagree with the lack of evident by the suggester. 1 sale and 1 offer doesn't fully reflect the market for this item since so many did sell in recent history. Again, i am just surprised that it had such little evidence to back it and it still got accepted.
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So much hate :/ no need to be rude. I do agree that this unusual needed a lower suggested price. Though, I disagree with the lack of evident by the suggester. 1 sale and 1 offer doesn't fully reflect the market for this item since so many did sell in recent history. Again, i am just surprised that it had such little evidence to back it and it still got accepted.

Ugh, you don't know how this is run, do you.

 

Those sales Polar posted, up there? He would have found those BEFORE the suggestion was accepted. Mods do their own research on suggestions.

And, the 'Polar endorsed' range and the accepted one varied by 0.1 buds. Since bp.tf is primarily only for estimates, such a discrepancy is fine.

If the lack of evidence was actually an issue, the suggestion would not have passed. End of story.

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lots of giang's suggestions shouldnt get through, but this one is pretty good

for most unusual suggestions mods find many more sales than those that are actually presented in the suggestion, and if the ranges line up roughly then the suggestion is accepted

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Ugh, you don't know how this is run, do you.

 

Those sales Polar posted, up there? He would have found those BEFORE the suggestion was accepted. Mods do their own research on suggestions.

And, the 'Polar endorsed' range and the accepted one varied by 0.1 buds. Since bp.tf is primarily only for estimates, such a discrepancy is fine.

If the lack of evidence was actually an issue, the suggestion would not have passed. End of story.

 

There seems to tone of hostility on this thread :/ I'm sure you guys get threads like this all the time.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I am genuine curious why this price suggestion got accepted. I have a better understanding now, though still disagree on it being accepted.

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There seems to tone of hostility on this thread :/ I'm sure you guys get threads like this all the time.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I am genuine curious why this price suggestion got accepted. I have a better understanding now, though still disagree on it being accepted.

 

Well, it's been shown to be perfectly legitimate. If you still disagree that's just blinding proof of your vested interest.

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Well, it's been shown to be perfectly legitimate. If you still disagree that's just blinding proof of your vested interest.

That's a very obnoxious thing to say. Just because I own this unusual doesn't mean I can't think subjectively.

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That's a very obnoxious thing to say. Just because I own this unusual doesn't mean I can't think subjectively.

You ARE thinking subjectively. The word you were probably looking for is OBjectively.

Also, what's obnoxious about it? If I'm wrong, please, explain to me, after the explanation you've received, why this suggestion is somehow still invalid.

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You ARE thinking subjectively. The word you were probably looking for is OBjectively.

Also, what's obnoxious about it? If I'm wrong, please, explain to me, after the explanation you've received, why this suggestion is somehow still invalid.

i did mean subjectively. there's a double negative, i might of phased that sentence abit odd.  Anyway, I find it obnoxious you are accusing me of 'being blinded by a vested interest', i am not disagreeing with the new price range. I 'm just curious why that price suggestion got accepted with the lack of evidence. Though, I know like you informed me, a Mod most likely did additionally research, but that wasn't clear from the price suggestion.

please, no need to be so contentious. we can always agree to disagree.

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i did mean subjectively. there's a double negative, i might of phased that sentence abit odd.  Anyway, I find it obnoxious you are accusing me of 'being blinded by a vested interest', i am not disagreeing with the new price range. I 'm just curious why that price suggestion got accepted with the lack of evidence. Though, I know like you informed me, a Mod most likely did additionally research, but that wasn't clear from the price suggestion.

please, no need to be so contentious. we can always agree to disagree.

 

Not 'most likely did', did. And it doesn't have to be clear from the suggestion, because the fact that mods do research is a known fact.

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Not 'most likely did', did. And it doesn't have to be clear from the suggestion, because the fact that mods do research is a known fact.

Ok, though to be honestly i did not know that. So, i'm glad i did come to the forums, now i have a better understanding how bp.tf's system works. Just saying, It would have been very helpful if a Mod did add in the additionally research to make it clear.

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Ok, though to be honestly i did not know that. So, i'm glad i did come to the forums, now i have a better understanding how bp.tf's system works. Just saying, It would have been very helpful if a Mod did add in the additionally research to make it clear.

they used to, and Im not really sure why they dont anymore

In my opinion the mod posting all of the sales they found before accepting the suggestion would embarrass the suggester into putting more effort into their suggestion, or at least knowing that they could have done better, which would help with people who do quality>quantity suggestions

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Ugh, you don't know how this is run, do you.

 

Those sales Polar posted, up there? He would have found those BEFORE the suggestion was accepted. Mods do their own research on suggestions.

And, the 'Polar endorsed' range and the accepted one varied by 0.1 buds. Since bp.tf is primarily only for estimates, such a discrepancy is fine.

If the lack of evidence was actually an issue, the suggestion would not have passed. End of story.

Why not? One sale can.

Yes, one sale can but when there are so many other sales (+6 other sales) to take into account that's just the suggester being lazy. 

 

We all know that pricing it from a single sale especially with unusuals which have many available on the market it isnt exactly very reliable and hence more proof the better, it's not like giang made a good suggestion it's more of him being his lazy and the suggested price just happened to be around the other sales.

 

If it was polar who looked at that suggestion it most likely wouldnt of passed either with polar spending his time doing the suggester's job or telling the suggester to look into more sales.

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