Being able to submit price suggestions higher than ur bp value

[JayTuut]

I think you should be able to. I want to submit one but the price range im putting the price on it is 16-18 buds and my bp is worth like 9.02 buds

 

Can you please make it i worked hard on the suggestion! 

 

Thanks :3

[Bone]

I doubt there would be exceptions for single people. You can always report the sale and let someone else do it for. You, with full credit to you.

 

Try getting multipliers?

 

Backpack.tf assumes that if you havent that bp, you shouldnt be sneaking around there. This although sometimes is very bad because there can be unpriced god tierkunusuals, there should be a form to request price suggestion access for such cases.. And a mod can approve or deny that.

[♠Derpeh♤]

There is a multiplier on bp.tf depending on your contributions to the site where you can suggest a max of x5 your highest bp value recorded.

 

If your multiplier or backpack isnt of significant value enough to suggest a price it most likely means you're not experienced enough to have dealt with high tier items to price that unusual. This is done to stop spam and derpy suggestions, dont think exceptions have been made so best chance is to just add a contributor and ask them to post it up for you giving you credit for it.

[OverduePixels]

I completely agree on this. This should be implanted. Will go on details on my next post since double post since double posted x_x

[OverduePixels]

I think you should be able to. I want to submit one but the price range im putting the price on it is 16-18 buds and my bp is worth like 9.02 buds

 

Can you please make it i worked hard on the suggestion! 

 

Thanks :3

I completely agree on this. This should be implanted.

 

Something like this :

 

Orange belt can have multiplier up to x times

Green belt can have multiplier up to double the times of green 

Blue belt can have multiplier up to double the amount of green belt

so on and so on.

 

Especially if it starts working from green belt if not that then blue belt

 

While some may argue, "hey your bp isn't worth this, so you have no idea" 

What is not taking into account is that when you suggest a lot, you also learn a lot, so basically you know as much as the person who is capable of making the suggestion.

 

I would recommend mods, Fiskie and Brad to take a look into this if they don't mind.

[OverduePixels]

There is a multiplier on bp.tf depending on your contributions to the site where you can suggest a max of x5 your highest bp value recorded.

 

If your multiplier or backpack isnt of significant value enough to suggest a price it most likely means you're not experienced enough to have dealt with high tier items to price that unusual. This is done to stop spam and derpy suggestions, dont think exceptions have been made so best chance is to just add a contributor and ask them to post it up for you giving you credit for it.

 

I don't see the point of it, it is basically you are doing all the hard work, and someone takes your hard find created suggestion and suggests it because his backpack is worth more, its more like you are being forced to do something you don't want to do. Not to say, this is also making many items go unpriced and not get many unusual price refreshed because even though the suggester is capable of doing it and has been creating suggestion on a regular basis, his backpack is not worth enough thus it holds back many of the suggesters and many don't bother even speaking of that item.

 

When you start suggesting and keep on suggesting on a regular basis, you learn a lot as much as the one who is capable of making the suggestion + has the backpack worth of value to suggest that item.

 

This seems to only work on white, yellow and orange belt but why pull back other belts? Why not let them suggests something worth  double their value? By then most of the suggesters learn a lot. If not green, it should be blue.

[OverduePixels]

There is a multiplier on bp.tf depending on your contributions to the site where you can suggest a max of x5 your highest bp value recorded.

 

If your multiplier or backpack isnt of significant value enough to suggest a price it most likely means you're not experienced enough to have dealt with high tier items to price that unusual. This is done to stop spam and derpy suggestions, 

 

Also, to add... It only takes one click of a button to close a suggestion if it is extremely bad. Spam suggestion will always be there and there will be nothing to stop it.

[CrimsonWarlord]

I don't see the point of it, it is basically you are doing all the hard work, and someone takes your hard find created suggestion and suggests it because his backpack is worth more, its more like you are being forced to do something you don't want to do. Not to say, this is also making many items go unpriced and not get many unusual price refreshed because why? Even though the suggester is capable of doing it and has been creating suggestion on a regular basis, his backpack is not worth enough thus it holds back many of the suggesters back and don't bother even speaking of that item.

 

When you start suggesting and keep on suggesting on a regular basis, you learn a lot as much as the one who is capable of making the suggestion.

 

This seems to only work on white, yellow and orange belt but why pull back other belts? Why not let them suggests something worth double their value? By then most of the suggesters learn a lot. If not green, it should be blue.

But the concept is that you should gain some experience suggesting normal items first and at the same time trading progressively. You can't get market experience from suggesting regularly. Up to 5x is perfectly reasonable imo. I would be fine with it being removed for those with more suggestions though.

[♠Derpeh♤]

I don't see the point of it, it is basically you are doing all the hard work, and someone takes your hard find created suggestion and suggests it because his backpack is worth more, its more like you are being forced to do something you don't want to do. Not to say, this is also making many items go unpriced and not get many unusual price refreshed because why? Even though the suggester is capable of doing it and has been creating suggestion on a regular basis, his backpack is not worth enough thus it holds back many of the suggesters back and don't bother even speaking of that item.

 

This seems to only work on white, yellow and orange belt but why pull back other belts? Why not let them suggests something worth  double their value? By then most of the suggesters learn a lot. If not green, it should be blue.

Though i do agree with you im talking in terms with the op which has barely made any contributions to the site and has barely made a proper unusual suggestion let alone trying to make one for something which is 20+buds.

 

The removal of the bp limit for think belts higher that 50+ suggestions has been talked about already ages ago just hasnt been implemented :l

[OverduePixels]

But the concept is that you should gain some experience suggesting normal items first and at the same time trading progressively. You can't get market experience from suggesting regularly.

This really has nothing to do with market experience. I never touched unusual in my life, yet I suggested over 20 unusual pricing and got it accepted. I only had 2 mistake at pricing out of all over 22 unusual suggestion I have created, and the mistake was not any intentional or stupidity, it was accident or miscalculation which everyone does it throughout the entire time of suggesting items.  

[CrimsonWarlord]

This really has nothing to do with market experience. I never touched unusual in my life and most likely wont' be touching it soon either, yet I suggested over 20 unusual pricing and got it accepted. I only had 2 mistake at pricing out of all over 22 unusual suggestion I have created, and the mistake was not any intentional or stupidity, it was accident or miscalculation which everyone does it throughout the entire time of suggesting.

 

Sure, no doubt suggesting regularly gives you a greater feel but I think it's better to have well-informed traders who have experience to make the step up and suggest the higher valued items.

[OverduePixels]

Sure, no doubt suggesting regularly gives you a greater feel but I think it's better to have well-informed traders who have experience to make the step up and suggest the higher valued items.

I will say it again You don't actually need to be able to do the trading in those sort of area business, if you have the knowledge you can create any suggestion price. All you need is knowledge on that particular area, and you can gain knowledge by seeing other people do all the trades, read guides, go thoroughly through a high tier suggestion, watch videos and all those things. Yes, I can agree trading can help in some other ways but creating suggestion mainly requires knowledge not skills and you can gain knowledge just by the things I stated above.

[CrimsonWarlord]

I will say it again You don't actually need to be able to do the trading in those sort of area business, if you have the knowledge you can create any suggestion price. All you need is knowledge on that particular area, and you can gain knowledge by seeing other people do all the trades, read guides, go thoroughly through a high tier suggestion, watch videos and all those things. Yes, I can agree trading can help in some other ways but creating suggestion mainly requires knowledge not skills and you can gain knowledge just by the things I stated above.

Now, the question is, will people with relatively small bps actually put in effort to do all that just for the sake of suggesting as in the OP's case?

[polar]

I completely agree on this. This should be implanted.

 

Something like this :

 

Orange belt can have multiplier up to x times

Green belt can have multiplier up to double the times of green 

Blue belt can have multiplier up to double the amount of green belt

so on and so on.

 

Especially if it starts working from green belt if not that then blue belt

 

While some may argue, "hey your bp isn't worth this, so you have no idea" 

What is not taking into account is that when you suggest a lot, you also learn a lot, so basically you know as much as the person who is capable of making the suggestion.

 

I would recommend mods, Fiskie and Brad to take a look into this if they don't mind.

 

The highest tier of unusuals don't work like regular unusuals. Just because someone knows how to make suggestions on hats worth ~10-20 buds in value does not mean he understands how high tier hats (>40 buds) work. People who don't have experience in those trades simply shouldn't be able to make suggestions for them.

[OverduePixels]

The highest tier of unusuals don't work like regular unusuals. Just because someone knows how to make suggestions on hats worth ~10-20 buds in value does not mean he understands how high tier hats (>40 buds) work. People who don't have experience in those trades simply shouldn't be able to make suggestions for them.

Yup, I know I have seen them and looked through them. They are more complicated but you have got a point there, I didn't think of that and I believe you are right about that  

[JayTuut]

How about this format:

 

1 price suggestion accepted = 1.3x your backpack value

2 price suggestions accepted previously (Same as above but 2) = 1.5x your bp value

3 price suggestions accepted = 2x

4 = 2.5x

5 = 2.8x

6 = 3x

 

and yeah lel. 

[Slocumruls]

How about this format:

 

1 price suggestion accepted = 1.3x your backpack value

2 price suggestions accepted previously (Same as above but 2) = 1.5x your bp value

3 price suggestions accepted = 2x

4 = 2.5x

5 = 2.8x

6 = 3x

 

and yeah lel. 

no. Just no. if you are really so great at finding the "true" value of an item you should be able to use those skills to increase you bp value and therefor shouldn't need any multiplier.

[JayTuut]

no. Just no. if you are really so great at finding the "true" value of an item you should be able to use those skills to increase you bp value and therefor shouldn't need any multiplier.

What if you are an experienced pricer and trader but you cashed out?

 

Hmmm :3

[Slocumruls]

What if you are an experienced pricer and trader but you cashed out?

 

Hmmm :3

The limit is based on your highest ever recorded bp value. Not what you currently have so your point is invalid.

[Jacobmeister]

Hi, gonna give my take as I think I'm one of those people who'd be most affected by this.

At the time of writing, I have 46 accepted suggestions, the majority being for unusuals. My vote power is 23 buds. (Yes, I have the max multiplier.)

 

Now, whilst the ability to make suggestions regardless of bp value is good, it's really an issue only occasionally addressed. I think it should be looked at on a case by case basis. What I mean is that certain people (regular suggestors / excellent contributors) should get full voting power / suggesting power.

 

This is simply because, well, you don't need to have a big value bp to have a good understanding of items above your multiplier. I've never had more than 5 buds to my name personally. I'm sure there are other people out there who really would benefit from having full voting power.

 

Now, I'm not saying this is something a lot of people should have (It's basically a privilege) but a select few should trial it out at least.

 

Also, I'm frustrated. I spent a couple of hours compiling proof for the Arcana Gibus and I can't use it because I'm 5 buds off. x.x

Thoughts?