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Introduction I will again start with a disclaimer that these are the rules for backpack.tf and do not apply to any other site. The cutoff in item values for which we expect traders to complete a background check is 15 keys value on either side of the trade (so, for example, if you buy a 30 key hat for 14 keys you still need to do a background check). For trades under 15 keys in value, we do not require that you complete a background check. Feel free to post any questions or concerns below. Changes After a lot of discussion, some of which you can find here and here we have decided to make some fairly big changes to the old system. The main one is that we are scrapping the concept of an "obvious alt" when it comes to banning for trading with scammers. While I stand by the spirit of it and the ability of traders to look at accounts and make judgement about red flags, the community broadly finds the criteria too subjective and difficult to work with. It also hinders bot trading a significant amount, and while I know many hate bots, many use them too. Overall, the red flags for an obvious alt are definitely something you should be aware of, but it no longer seems reasonable or practical to punish users for trading with accounts who may meet some criteria but are not banned alts. In the same vein, we have decided to stop penalising for trades with site-banned users, even if the ban is for a scam or scam-related offence. The rationale for this change is that now that we are Steamrep partners and can apply our own marks, any account with sufficient evidence against them to be banned for scamming would be given a mark too. If they are site banned for scamming only, that by definition implies a lower standard of evidence or an offence outside of Steamrep investigative policy, which exists for good reason. We are also going to modify ban durations a little to give mods some leeway to give shorter or longer bans to users based on the value of the trade. So you won't get the same length of ban for buying a 50 key hat as a 500 key hat. Lastly, we will no longer be banning users for accessing gambling sites, even if scammers are also using those sites. The rules - All trades above 15 keys in value on either side of the trade must be background checked. - If the account you would trade with is marked on Steamrep, you cannot complete the trade. - If a trader accidentally fails to meet these expectations, they will receive a temporary ban, escalating with number of offences (see ban durations below). - If a trader knowingly fails to meet these expectations and is found to intentionally trade with Steamrep-marked scammers, the ban will instantly be a permanent one. - If a trader is found to be regularly buying items from accounts banned on backpack.tf as a scammer, scammer alt, or scammer fence they may receive a ban even if those accounts are not marked on Steamrep. - Brokering for a user who is site-banned for any reason will remain against the rules. - Temp bans will "expire" after 1 year without a ban, so whether you're on your first or second offence if you go without a ban for 1+ year and then are reported again for the same thing, we will treat it as a new ban and start at first offence again. This does not apply to permanent bans. - Ban evasion during any ban for trading with scammers will be permanent, as with any other site ban. Ban durations: - 1st offence: 3 days - 3 months - 2nd offence: 1 month - 6 months - 3rd offence: permanent (appeal-able after 1 year) Reporting All reports will need to include evidence of a two way trade or they may be closed by moderators. We simply do not have the time to be digging into accounts ourselves, if you are making a report you need to do the work first. Reports with single item histories are not acceptable. Reporting traders who are regularly buying items from backpack.tf-banned scammers, scammer alts, or fences, will require the reporter to compile a body of evidence that demonstrates a clear pattern. This will then be assessed by mods. As with reporting single trades, a small number of item histories but no evidence of two way trades will not be sufficient for us to ban someone. Summary We believe that these changes move strongly in the direction of lessening punishment for accidents while still allowing the site and mods to discourage people from going all out regularly trading with scammers. We welcome any feedback. Trading with scammers bans under the old rules can now be appealed, but the above rules will still apply. If you'd like to ask a question about something specific in private, feel free to PM me or any of the report mods: Teeny Tiny Cat OverduePixels Marty Birdman Smokey ѕιи Zeus _inu

Are you going to make a thread every time the keys or buds price slightly changes

They sent a new email shortly after, stating that it was meant for internal staff. which is a shame because i thought i was the biggest gay

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keys don't need to be fixed, and it really doesn't have anything to do with bots. the problem is metal, there's no good use for metal (i.e. no effective metal sink). there are so many threads about this, starting a new one is pointless

You deal with it instead of making a useless thread

Don't talk about percents, always depends on the unusual, there's many unusuals that are underpriced which you can get an amazing deal paying full price, and there's overpriced shit which you can get ripped off paying 50% of the value or more. I'm tired of not so smart people saying "lol that's not a quicksale a quicksale is +30% off", don't be like that, use your brain, bp.tf is not a bible.

When I read the title, I assumed that yet another person got scammed because they can't differentiate between a festive and a festivized weapon. However, I wasn't expecting to find that the person scammed themselves.

Do not post links to scam sites and do not beg on our forums please. If someone has scammed you I strongly urge you to make a report.

Global Warming

Based on your trusts I'm not sure it's a good idea to help you in case you're the lead cast for Jaws 5

uh. dont mind me being rude, but what was the purpose of this post again?

TLDR; I think backpack.tf’s trading with scammer bans are outdated and too strict. I have proposed a slightly laxer system in the final paragraphs. Dear all, I’m Julia. Most of you probably already know me as one of many Unusual traders. I don’t think it would be unfair to say that I have been around these parts for some while. While I usually like to joke around and not take anything too seriously I have had some persisting thoughts regarding trading policy here at backpack.tf which I wanted to share, and to garner your opinions on. I appreciate your time in reading this post. The topic I want to discuss is backpack.tf’s rules regarding bans for trading with scammers. The current rules are as follows: “If a trader unknowingly fails to meet these expectations, bans will be issued as follows: (1) First offense - 3 days to 1 week depending on the severity of the action (2) Second offense - 2 weeks to 2 months depending on the severity of the action (3) Third offense - permanent ban (may be appealed after 6 months) If a trader knowingly fails to meet these expectations and is found to intentionally trade with scammers, the ban will instantly be a permanent one.” Source: As a bit of history, some of you will remember years ago, SteamREP would mark/ban traders who would repeatedly (or intentionally) trade with scammers. The rule was later removed in 2016 after much criticism. Source: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/policy-change-trades-with-scammer-policy-end-of-life.119528/ The criticism leading to removal was: honest traders were being marked; essentially sharing the same punishment as scammers themselves, some of which whom have no remorse for taking what they can from other people. To many of these traders their ban marked a halt to their trading activities. It was a harsh punishment for a few mistakes. Around the time this SteamREP rule was removed, backpack.tf implemented its own set of rules. It was only after then that backpack.tf would begin to ban traders from using its service as punishment for trades with scammers. Although the rules set by backpack.tf are much less strict than that of SteamREP’s old rules, they could still be improved to make the trading environment better for everyone. The way backpack.tf is stacking up bans for this type of offense is becoming reminiscent of old SteamREP policies. As backpack.tf holds an immense role in trading currently, the ability to use it freely is essential to most traders and its bans have an impact on how people trade. The current rules dictate: three strikes, you’re out. Regardless of how long you’ve been trading, regardless of how many trades you’ve made. You only get three strikes. In my time here, I know of many well-known traders awaiting their third strike that will abruptly conclude their trading career. Many of these people possess thousands of dollars worth of items. As a long-time trader I’ve personally never been banned for trading with scammers. However, I have most definitely made mistakes while trading. Those mistakes were accepting offers I otherwise wouldn’t have accepted, miscounting keys, listing the wrong effect hat on the market, listing items for the wrong price, rushing changes into my bot without proper testing, and so on. After over 17,000 trades and nearly 100,000 Steam Community Market transactions, I feel that I can safely say that I’m an experienced trader. Even then, I believe I could make mistakes and no longer have the same freedom to trade. I enjoy trading and it’s not something I’d want to happen. I go to great lengths to avoid trading with scammers. I have authored and utilize a userscript for checking a user’s reputation more easily. My Unusual trading bot also utilizes 7 different resources for checking accounts. If anything seems amiss I must manually check my potential trading partner. However, there are times where I’m either tired or not very cautious and mistakes do happen. There are times where I’ve forgotten to check a user’s reputation before accepting a trade. Though, thankfully it never resulted in me trading with a scammer. I suspect that many others aren’t as fortunate as I am. They would be more susceptible to making mistakes and accruing strikes which ultimately end their trading activities. Ever since the rules for background checks were established they haven’t seen much change. The current rules do not consider length of time between aberrant trades. It could be a month, it could be over a year. Going a year without trading with any scammers is a long time. Should a trader be so severely punished for trading with a scammer for the third time, even if it’s been over a year since their last trade? Please bear in mind, I am not saying that we should make the rules so relaxed that we condone trading with scammers. I do not think scammers should have an easy way of offloading their stolen goods. I myself would not do anything differently if the rules were to be changed. I don’t know the perfect solution to the problem, but I want to propose a change. Like a driver’s license points systems for traffic violations, make it so that a trader collects points for each trade with a scammer. When the trader collects so many points within a certain period of time they are permanently banned. The points would reset after a certain period of time, say a year. This should be fair for everyone in the long-term of things and still prevent traders from trading with scammers. Thanks for reading. This is something that’s been on my mind getting back into trading and I’d like to hear everyone else’s thoughts on the matter, and if anyone else has any other suggestions for rule changes.

It's worth at minimum Mew2's eternal rage and hatred.

But Mister WorldCast what do you mean by this? Simple. Lets say a user was reported on steamrep for suspicious scamming that hasnt been approved yet. When I visit the guys profile on backpack.tf It says his rep is normal. But when you check the guys steam rep it has a question mark shield saying that this user was reported and awaiting to see if its approved or not. •Example A: Maybe instead of a word saying “NORMAL” in the guys backpack.tf profile. It could say along the lines of “REPORTED” if the user is reported with maybe a yellow color behind the bar and maybe a question mark shield (similar to the admins tag) and the “CAUTION” tag. •Example B: But why? I could compare with the Caution Tag. Why do we put the caution tag there? To provide information. This could give us leading information about the user via the backpack.tf site. Or maybe its an outdated thing and im just suggesting now. Designs: Here are some mediocre designs I made on the “Reported” idea tag as well as remakes on the “scammer” and “caution” tags to give you a good idea, besides the admin tag one which can have a simple checkmark. im sorry •Final Notes: Just an idea I had in the back of my head for a while and wanted to put it out there and see how it goes. I do like to note, obviously I suck at being a drawer/designer and just wanted to make an idea on how it can look like and put my skills to the test. So, What do you think? Yeh? Meh? Any other suggestions on this? Would love to hear thoughts on this.

a dev team

They are all manually reviewed by the unfortunate souls known as price moderators.

both hats are shit, gl selling yours for 200

When the teacher tells you to keep your answer to a one sentence maximum.

He immediately proceeded to unfriend me afterwards, so sad :<

Geel assassinated both bazaar and outpost with his empire consisting of marketplace.tf, backpack.tf and scrap.tf

If refined gets devalued to that point, the game's economy won't crash. Instead, we will see a near-complete separation between the refined market and the key market. Trading will continue as normal, but people won't take metal for their keys anymore, and we'd see things like ToD tickets, paints, and Strange Parts used for pocket change instead. Also, the amount of people that buy and sell refined for cash is infinitesimally smaller than those that buy and sell keys. Even if you bought every refined on the cash market right now and spent it all on keys, you'll have made no noticeable dent in the key market.

Why are you posting about this here? Message whoever is commenting to you, don't bring your drama to our forums.

i take it u also have retarded

What are the BENEFITS of removing this rule...? That's all I have to ask.

I would like to remind everyone that Backpack.tf trusts system is being heavily abused by Paypal scammers. They come with a new account, quickly build 10 or more fake +trusts, top that with some real +trusts and then scam people for hundreds of dollars or keys. Some quotes from old reports: "I believed he was trustable, as he had 15 trust on backpack.tf" "He uses Backback for his cash rep" "accruing fake reputation on backpack.tf" "User scammed me by using his rep ... backpack.tf" "User has abused his accumulated trust" Scammer's words: Yeah well my rep was pretty believable ... all fake tho (SR) Only some recent cases: 2018.08 "Foxy" / "ACiD": SR, BP, Reddit 2018.09 "Matics": SR 1, SR 2, BP 2018.09 "Only Money" / "¡RETRO": SR 1, SR 2, SR 3 2018.10 "CyraxDarkLord" / "TheBakes": banned before any reports came in 2018.11 "iO": BP 2019.01: "cuze": SR, BP forum As far as I know, it was all the same scammer (except the last case). For reference, his "most documented" SteamRep accounts: one, two. Few examples of fake +trusts (always removed by BP staff after the scam): pg 1, pg 2 (from SR report) pg 1 for CyraxDarkLord pg 1, pg 2 for iO pg 1, pg 2 for cuze The scammer usually puts his ads at /r/tf2trade, /r/Dota2Trade, /r/GlobalOffensiveTrade and also right here on BP Cash Trade forum: "Matics", "Only Money" Unfortunately I am not allowed to name any accounts that are not banned yet because BP admins call this "witch hunting". Please do not call any names either to avoid this thread being locked. I plan to discuss other aspects of this problem and possible solutions in my subsequent posts.

Stop giving completely incorrect advice when you don't know the answers to things. OP, you will not be banned for changing your mind once, but if you are found to be repeatedly declining offers at your list price you may get a ban.

The issue they bring up is that you falsified screenshots to pretend like your Pirate Bandanna was able to be sold for more than it was actually worth. Your Screenshot A screenshot I just took, showing it selling so more less. You decided to go after the people who left -reps on your profile, by -repping them for "getting angry that they refused profit" You then proceeded to either use ALTS or convince other users to leave their own -reps on their accounts. This entire happening has been documented in the bp.tf Discord, with screenshots. Reports are open too. tl;dr you were trying to scam / shark, got caught, face the consequences, get fucked.

I guess you can say you’re not very experienced if you almost fell for this.

Hence there is something such as ugly as we perceive things the way we like it. You should not get disheartened by the basics of an economy and some people who are just vile by design. Ignore them and keep doing you my man!

Currently sharks receive a negative trust in an attempt to warn people that they are known to offer uneven trades, but I believe this to be insufficient. New users don't know what trust is, so they are very unlikely to check it, and a shark's trust can easily go unnoticed, as it is very small on the page. This is even more problematic when the trust rating is orange rather than bright red, which is the case when the user's trust is neutral or positive overall. I suggest that a larger warning tag is added to the profiles of sharks, similar to the one used to warn people of impersonators. New users would be much more likely to read this.

*sees OP's name* oh boiiii

https://scrap.tf/unusuals/89

I spent more time making this then I care to admit.

Don't listen to the haters on here. Just because they have decades of combined trading experience doesn't mean they're smarter than you. Buy up all the buds you can, and prove them all wrong. Follow your dreams!

Hi all! Since the latest items scam, there's a lot of panic and people are afraid to trade. So I quickly wrote this browser script which will detect fake items, warn you and mark them. Installation instructions and source code can be found here: https://github.com/dyhli/plugin-steam-item-check Enjoy and stay safe out there.

This is something I wanted to talk about because most of the recent reports that come in are conversations on discord. If you are added by someone regarding a trade for high-value items or any trade. 1st copy their steam profile URL and paste it here - https://rep.tf/ - This website will show you if they are marked as a scammer or if they have a caution tag on any of the websites linked. If you forget this and just go ahead and chat with the user casually and move on to the part where they say "hey do you have discord lets talk and make the trade" or something along these lines, just say no and have the trade discussion on steam. Remember Most legit trader will ask you to move to discord chat/calls from steam. This mostly happens when you comment on some high-end trader's profile and add them. IF YOU GET A FRIENDS REQUEST BACK from the same person you added a while ago be careful. It could be an impersonator scammer. Use rep.tf as I have mentioned above. Please keep in mind that Steam Rep does not accept Discord chat logs as it is not possible to prove that the discord user is the same user you are reporting. (Guess scammers are smart now like they know that discord chat will keep them safe from getting marked) One way to prove that the discord user is same as the user on steam is if they have their steam profile linked on discord. On a web browser, open discord find the user and hover the mouse over their linked profile to show the URL on the bottom right corner. https://imgur.com/a/IlsG2ng Edit : The max we could do here if proven would be a SITE BAN. bp.tf can actually add bp.tf marks on SR if proven the discord user is the same user from steam. Here is a guide I made - Go through it if you are still not aware of most of the scam attempts https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1353725346 - Same guide on steam. Spread the awareness Stay safe - SmokEy

What does any of this have to do with backpack.tf? Not like anyone here can do anything about it.

GEEL WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION

Rules on the site are as follows: "The listed price must be what you are willing to pay in pure" This is pretty clear, basically means you MUST pay what you offered on a buy order. You will get banned if you don't accept, unsure for how long. I would advise talking with the seller and accepting the trade as you are obligated to. You are not allowed to change your mind, otherwise the buy orders would be pointless. It is up to the creator of the buy order to keep it updated, not on the seller to notice that it is 'outdated'.

put on sun glasses

> Puts 50 key kit on hat > Loses 90 keys in value F

I think there are a quite a number of people who would not want them back.

The daily dose of forum: ✓ Is the tf2 market dying? ✓ Keys are rising, apocalypse confirmed ✓ Random SFM art ✓ Is this a good deal? ✓ Found a random scammer ✓ Which is your favorite? ✓ Trading even worth it anymore?

lets get real here, it's stupid that all the listings were removed rules or not, and I can guarantee you basically nobody reads the rules for all the sites they go on, let alone remembers all of em.

Sharkers have been adding new users and providing them exceptionally small offers. One example is Jhej, who scammed a rotation sensation for 160 keys and is selling for 600. This guy deserves a ban, and teeny tiny cat noticed that, so why is nothing being done about it? https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198120467518 EDIT: Just to clarify, I didn't mean a ban from backpack.tf, I meant that the people who have consistently sharked people in the past should be unable to use the premium SEARCH feature.

x3 massed flies

The sharpened volcano fragment is a bad weapon, 20% less damage just to light people on fire which is what pyros primary and various secondary options do already. They need to be destroyed!!!! I am willing to do the task, but I need your help I need everyone to send me your sharpened volcano fragments so that they can be properly ‘taken care of’. https://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=425473385&token=ErdzY2qb

puddingkip is a weeb