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  1. 26 points

    Ok... keys are officially dead.

    Are you going to make a thread every time the keys or buds price slightly changes
  2. 25 points

    Banned users over crate glitch

    People like j58 unboxed a lot of unusuals and then sold them for under backpack price to people unaware of the glitch. Then a day later, the people who paid maybe 30 keys now have an untradable unusual in their inventory. They knew exactly what they were doing and they knew that the people who paid lots of keys were getting ripped off. They did this with many, many unusuals and made shit tons of money from the keys. At that time, no one knew that they'd be untradable, but they knew that obviously the glitch wasn't supposed to happen, so they wanted to make the maximum amount of money they could before Valve put a stop on them.
  3. 24 points


    🤔 🤔
  4. 21 points


    Do not post links to scam sites and do not beg on our forums please. If someone has scammed you I strongly urge you to make a report.
  5. 21 points

    Earbuds just went up in price... AGAIN.

    Global Warming
  6. 21 points

    Unusual weapons

    Based on your trusts I'm not sure it's a good idea to help you in case you're the lead cast for Jaws 5
  7. 20 points

    Easter egg? Or what am I missing?

    uh. dont mind me being rude, but what was the purpose of this post again?
  8. 20 points

    Open discussion on rules for trading with scammers

    TLDR; I think backpack.tf’s trading with scammer bans are outdated and too strict. I have proposed a slightly laxer system in the final paragraphs. Dear all, I’m Julia. Most of you probably already know me as one of many Unusual traders. I don’t think it would be unfair to say that I have been around these parts for some while. While I usually like to joke around and not take anything too seriously I have had some persisting thoughts regarding trading policy here at backpack.tf which I wanted to share, and to garner your opinions on. I appreciate your time in reading this post. The topic I want to discuss is backpack.tf’s rules regarding bans for trading with scammers. The current rules are as follows: “If a trader unknowingly fails to meet these expectations, bans will be issued as follows: (1) First offense - 3 days to 1 week depending on the severity of the action (2) Second offense - 2 weeks to 2 months depending on the severity of the action (3) Third offense - permanent ban (may be appealed after 6 months) If a trader knowingly fails to meet these expectations and is found to intentionally trade with scammers, the ban will instantly be a permanent one.” Source: As a bit of history, some of you will remember years ago, SteamREP would mark/ban traders who would repeatedly (or intentionally) trade with scammers. The rule was later removed in 2016 after much criticism. Source: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/policy-change-trades-with-scammer-policy-end-of-life.119528/ The criticism leading to removal was: honest traders were being marked; essentially sharing the same punishment as scammers themselves, some of which whom have no remorse for taking what they can from other people. To many of these traders their ban marked a halt to their trading activities. It was a harsh punishment for a few mistakes. Around the time this SteamREP rule was removed, backpack.tf implemented its own set of rules. It was only after then that backpack.tf would begin to ban traders from using its service as punishment for trades with scammers. Although the rules set by backpack.tf are much less strict than that of SteamREP’s old rules, they could still be improved to make the trading environment better for everyone. The way backpack.tf is stacking up bans for this type of offense is becoming reminiscent of old SteamREP policies. As backpack.tf holds an immense role in trading currently, the ability to use it freely is essential to most traders and its bans have an impact on how people trade. The current rules dictate: three strikes, you’re out. Regardless of how long you’ve been trading, regardless of how many trades you’ve made. You only get three strikes. In my time here, I know of many well-known traders awaiting their third strike that will abruptly conclude their trading career. Many of these people possess thousands of dollars worth of items. As a long-time trader I’ve personally never been banned for trading with scammers. However, I have most definitely made mistakes while trading. Those mistakes were accepting offers I otherwise wouldn’t have accepted, miscounting keys, listing the wrong effect hat on the market, listing items for the wrong price, rushing changes into my bot without proper testing, and so on. After over 17,000 trades and nearly 100,000 Steam Community Market transactions, I feel that I can safely say that I’m an experienced trader. Even then, I believe I could make mistakes and no longer have the same freedom to trade. I enjoy trading and it’s not something I’d want to happen. I go to great lengths to avoid trading with scammers. I have authored and utilize a userscript for checking a user’s reputation more easily. My Unusual trading bot also utilizes 7 different resources for checking accounts. If anything seems amiss I must manually check my potential trading partner. However, there are times where I’m either tired or not very cautious and mistakes do happen. There are times where I’ve forgotten to check a user’s reputation before accepting a trade. Though, thankfully it never resulted in me trading with a scammer. I suspect that many others aren’t as fortunate as I am. They would be more susceptible to making mistakes and accruing strikes which ultimately end their trading activities. Ever since the rules for background checks were established they haven’t seen much change. The current rules do not consider length of time between aberrant trades. It could be a month, it could be over a year. Going a year without trading with any scammers is a long time. Should a trader be so severely punished for trading with a scammer for the third time, even if it’s been over a year since their last trade? Please bear in mind, I am not saying that we should make the rules so relaxed that we condone trading with scammers. I do not think scammers should have an easy way of offloading their stolen goods. I myself would not do anything differently if the rules were to be changed. I don’t know the perfect solution to the problem, but I want to propose a change. Like a driver’s license points systems for traffic violations, make it so that a trader collects points for each trade with a scammer. When the trader collects so many points within a certain period of time they are permanently banned. The points would reset after a certain period of time, say a year. This should be fair for everyone in the long-term of things and still prevent traders from trading with scammers. Thanks for reading. This is something that’s been on my mind getting back into trading and I’d like to hear everyone else’s thoughts on the matter, and if anyone else has any other suggestions for rule changes.
  9. 20 points
    Scott Bakula

    strange unusual patriot peak

    It's worth at minimum Mew2's eternal rage and hatred.
  10. 19 points
    Mister WorldCast

    Minor request: SteamRep Icons

    But Mister WorldCast what do you mean by this? Simple. Lets say a user was reported on steamrep for suspicious scamming that hasnt been approved yet. When I visit the guys profile on backpack.tf It says his rep is normal. But when you check the guys steam rep it has a question mark shield saying that this user was reported and awaiting to see if its approved or not. •Example A: Maybe instead of a word saying “NORMAL” in the guys backpack.tf profile. It could say along the lines of “REPORTED” if the user is reported with maybe a yellow color behind the bar and maybe a question mark shield (similar to the admins tag) and the “CAUTION” tag. •Example B: But why? I could compare with the Caution Tag. Why do we put the caution tag there? To provide information. This could give us leading information about the user via the backpack.tf site. Or maybe its an outdated thing and im just suggesting now. Designs: Here are some mediocre designs I made on the “Reported” idea tag as well as remakes on the “scammer” and “caution” tags to give you a good idea, besides the admin tag one which can have a simple checkmark. im sorry •Final Notes: Just an idea I had in the back of my head for a while and wanted to put it out there and see how it goes. I do like to note, obviously I suck at being a drawer/designer and just wanted to make an idea on how it can look like and put my skills to the test. So, What do you think? Yeh? Meh? Any other suggestions on this? Would love to hear thoughts on this.
  11. 18 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Do suggestions get accepted by a program on the site or do human moderators review them?

    They are all manually reviewed by the unfortunate souls known as price moderators.
  12. 17 points
    Scott Bakula

    if the keys price keep raising how much will be the ref price?

    If refined gets devalued to that point, the game's economy won't crash. Instead, we will see a near-complete separation between the refined market and the key market. Trading will continue as normal, but people won't take metal for their keys anymore, and we'd see things like ToD tickets, paints, and Strange Parts used for pocket change instead. Also, the amount of people that buy and sell refined for cash is infinitesimally smaller than those that buy and sell keys. Even if you bought every refined on the cash market right now and spent it all on keys, you'll have made no noticeable dent in the key market.
  13. 16 points

    Burning Killer Exclusive; An Economic Example.

  14. 16 points

    Beware of fake soundsmith selling TW Dapper

    i take it u also have retarded
  15. 16 points

    Another rep problem

    The issue they bring up is that you falsified screenshots to pretend like your Pirate Bandanna was able to be sold for more than it was actually worth. Your Screenshot A screenshot I just took, showing it selling so more less. You decided to go after the people who left -reps on your profile, by -repping them for "getting angry that they refused profit" You then proceeded to either use ALTS or convince other users to leave their own -reps on their accounts. This entire happening has been documented in the bp.tf Discord, with screenshots. Reports are open too. tl;dr you were trying to scam / shark, got caught, face the consequences, get fucked.
  16. 16 points

    I, an experienced unusual trader almost fell for this scam.

    I guess you can say you’re not very experienced if you almost fell for this.
  17. 16 points

    Valve to censor anime sexual content.luls

  18. 16 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    backpack.tf Unusual Pricing Event Results!

    We have had an absolutely amazing week with a rough estimate of around 400 unusuals and taunts updated during the course of the event! I know you've all been eagerly awaiting the results, so on to the prizes... Mods' Choice: Teamwork $150 bonus marketplace credit shared between your team, and a fancy winners badge on your backpack.tf profile We debated between a few different teams who really impressed us during the event. For the most part, you all showed a fantastic level of engagement and teamwork, and you should all be proud of yourselves. However, when it came down to it, the team we feel worked the best together overall was Team 3. Pretty much every member of this team was online, enthusiastic, and working extremely hard. The more experienced team members were hugely involved and spent time with their less experienced peers, and the newcomers to suggesting continually asked questions, listened to answers, and were eager to learn. The fact that this team also scored the most points demonstrates the power in working together and utilising every person on your team. Fantastic job, guys. Mods' Choice: Quality $150 bonus marketplace credit shared between your team, and a fancy winners badge on your backpack.tf profile We were again torn between several different teams for this award. Several teams managed to maintain high quality output throughout, with minimal numbers of closed suggestions compared to other teams. The team we eventually decided on was Team 2. This team managed an impressive 63 points with ZERO closed suggestions through the event, which is an incredible feat which no other team has matched! Event MVP $50 bonus marketplace credit and MVP badge on your backpack.tf profile There were multiple experienced suggesters who displayed exemplary teaching, endless patience, solid work ethic, and a huge time input. You should all be proud of yourselves for helping new users understand how suggesting works and for making this event enjoyable for them. The person we decided did this the best was Shuffle spy. Shuffle demonstrated incredible leadership, patience, quality control, teaching, and plain old hard work. He made suggestions himself and skillfully guided his teammates, allowing them to blossom. Best Newcomer $50 bonus marketplace credit and a special badge on your backpack.tf profile Although this was not originally a planned category, we decided that it was absolutely necessary. MVP is always going to be won by someone with experience, but that doesn't mean that newcomers to suggesting aren't valuable. Numerous site newbies put in an incredible amount of work, showing willingness and eagerness to learn, and picking up the elements of suggesting extremely quickly. The event wouldn't work without you guys either, and we want to reward your effort in this event and future ones. Our choice for best newcomer this time was Pasdenon. He threw himself into the event, put in an incredible amount of time and hard work, and most of all had fun! Participation Every person participating in the event will receive 1 month of free premium, a share of the $1 per point prize pool for their team's points total, and a participation badge on their backpack.tf profile. All prize info has been sent to geel and jesse to apply. Team points totals: Team 1 total 15 Team 2 total 64 Team 3 total 121 Team 4 total 107 Team 5 total 43 Team 6 total 42 Team 7 total 46 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I want to say a huge thank you to everyone who participated. We ran the event over a fairly busy period, but despite that the amount of work put in by participants, event helpers, and price moderators, has been astounding. I particularly want to thank our event helpers, who put in a huge amount of their own time for no reward and both contributed to teams' success and lightened the load on the mods. As a small thanks, you will all receive 1 month of free premium on the site. Last but not least I want to thank our wonderful owners, geel and jesse, who have generously agreed to provide all the prize funds. In summary: you're all fantastic! Thank you for another great event. We'll run the next one when everyone has some more free time. - Teeny and Woifi P.S. If you haven't already, please head here to give us some feedback on the event! Thanks!
  19. 15 points

    Got a weird offer on my highest tiered hat. Need advice.

  20. 14 points

    Backpack.tf pricing event 2019 signup!

    Hello everyone! It’s time for another pricing event! In a pricing event, you will be updating as many hats as possible together with your other team members. Whether you’re a suggestion veteran or completely inexperienced, everyone is welcome! Premium isn't required, we will make the teams as balanced as possible so each team will have members that already have premium. You can also at any time ask mods for item histories. There will be marketplace.tf gift cards as prizes! As a bonus, all the (active) participants will receive a free month of backpack.tf premium and you will also receive site donation credit! Please read the below carefully before posting, if your post does not include the required information you WILL NOT BE ENTERED. Sign up rules: -Your discord username (e.g. Erik#2641) -Your timezone (e.g. GMT+2) -Roughly how many hours you are able to participate a day. -When you will be able to suggest (e.g. during the night, morning or all day etc). The event will be held from Friday the 16th till Monday the 19th. We will be handing out new objectives every day, these will be assigned to your teams. If you’d like, you can name a few people you’d like to be placed in a team with and we’ll try to do our best to group you. We can’t guarantee this however since the teams do need to remain balanced. Please make sure you’re in the backpack.tf discord before signing up, this is a requirement. https://discordapp.com/invite/j7cMkGF Users who are banned from the site or discord can not enter the event. Make sure to sign up before the 14th by posting your entry below, according to the sign up rules.
  21. 14 points
    Mrs TS

    Firepowered is ass, and this admin who banned me proved it.

    What does any of this have to do with backpack.tf? Not like anyone here can do anything about it.
  22. 14 points

    How long does ban for not agreeing with your bp.tf price last?

    Rules on the site are as follows: "The listed price must be what you are willing to pay in pure" This is pretty clear, basically means you MUST pay what you offered on a buy order. You will get banned if you don't accept, unsure for how long. I would advise talking with the seller and accepting the trade as you are obligated to. You are not allowed to change your mind, otherwise the buy orders would be pointless. It is up to the creator of the buy order to keep it updated, not on the seller to notice that it is 'outdated'.
  23. 14 points
    Interesting Ice-cream

    Bring back Halloween spells Petition

    I think there are a quite a number of people who would not want them back.
  24. 14 points

    Protection for new unboxers from "sharks".

    No this is not going to eliminate all sharking altogether as that is impossible, but it's way better than nothing at all. (Just an idea, not perfected at all) The Problem: There's been a huge increase in the number of people using premium search as a tool to find inexperienced unboxers just to get good deals as these unboxers have no idea the worth of their item. I've seen cases where within half an hour of a valuable unbox there are already 4 "sharkers" adding them on steam to try to squeeze as much profit as they can out of them. Action has been taken in the form of a -trust on users who are known to use this method, however lots of these inexperienced unboxers haven't even logged into backpack.tf before, so this I feel isn't enough. Common method I'm seeing is highballing an Unpriced item at a super high price and I've noticed lots of newer traders think that just because a high tier trader has listed for that price that it must be worth that much. Basically manipulation, but the "sharker" hasn't said anything. My Solution: My suggestion would be to have protected users that their profiles can not be tracked through premium search. Protected users could include: - Never logged into backpack.tf or other major trading websites - This I feel is the best idea as people who have not logged into a trading website before likely aren't trading altogether/don't know how to trade at all. This would not effect normal traders too much as if they aren't trading, then you won't be able to get the hat anyway. Also the easiest one to implement. - Low time spent on steam - Low backpack value/huge increase in backpack value after an unbox - High Value item being searched combined with any of the above reasons This protection could be turned off as soon as the user passes a certain mark that considers them to be experienced enough (not entirely sure how this would work as of now). Other Solutions: - Banning people from using prem search altogether who are deemed to be using it wrongfully - A [Request Price Check] Feature on the site that creates a page where users appointed by backpack.tf mods can comment and give accurate price checks. Could even work like a price suggestion by taking in all of the people's opinions on price and then giving a final range on price. Again, just some ideas I thought I'd share, so definitely not perfected. Other thoughts and ideas would help too.
  25. 12 points

    How a Paypal scammer is thriving on Backpack.tf

    ( My previous post: Paypal scammers exploiting backpack.tf trusts ) I'm posting this because we need to shatter some illusions. If you think you can trust Backpack.tf trust pages - you're wrong. If you think your safety might be top priority for BP staff ... well, think again. In Sep 2018 I saw this report about Paypal scammer "Matics" and I remember being surprised at how someone can trust $730 or even $1400 to some new unknown account with basically zero BP history. The signs of that account being a PayPal scammer were plainly obvious to me and I thought I could try make some difference. You see, I was young and naive back then. On Oct 20, 2018 I created a report (private) about an account with obviously fake 10+ trusts (just enough to start scamming). 2 days later Mods banned the account, then applied SteamRep mark indicating it was the same person as "Matics". I probably prevented someone from being scammed that week. Unfortunately this turned out to be my only success. On Nov 9, 2018 I created a report (private) about another account. The next day came a report saying that someone was already scammed on Nov 5. On Jan 4, 2019 I reported (private) "Cuze" account with exactly the same patterns as before. However, this time a Mod started to explain to me how all my listed points are invalid if we look at them separately one by one and how this is a completely legit account. 5 days later we had this forum post about $670 scam. Um ... okay, I thought. Just a one time hiccup. Happens. Finally, on Feb 17, 2019 I reported (private) "Dior" account which had exactly the same patterns as all his previous accounts: practically empty inventory fake TF2/CS:GO/Dota2 hours obviously fake 15+ trusts all coming from completely private Steam accounts I also pointed out this snapshot which contains: 60 keys coming directly from several different previous accounts of "Matics" 9 Scream Fortress/Munition crates coming from Dior back to another of those banned accounts. I also demonstrated that a lot of items from yet another of those accounts were also in Dior's possession. The report was somehow rejected. I left -trust for this account, it was removed. I left another -trust explaining all the issues with these fake trusts in great details, it was removed too. Apparently only big established traders are allowed to do that ( see -trust at the bottom). I explained my concerns in both Dior's posts in Cash Trading forum. His response? Making another thread. Okay, I replied in his new thread too. Then my post was deleted and I received a Forum ban from Teeny for "spamming". But wait, for someone to actually "spam" like this you need enough threads to do that, right? This was already 3rd Dior's thread in that forum while rules clearly say "users are currently limited to two threads each". You'd think admins are supposed to know and enforce the rules ... Later when Dior made thread #5 in the same forum I finally discovered this rule and reported that thread. A Mod responded to him with something like "oh please don't make anymore". I asked in Discord wouldn't the proper action be to delete the threads that break the rule and was told "they're locked now". Sorry but I fail to understand how exactly "locking" is helpful here. Those ads did not need replies, they said "contact me on Steam" and they served their purpose just fine while being locked. Then some time after that Dior apparently negotiated something with Mods and they deleted ... do you think the new threads that were actually breaking the rule? Of course not! The old ones with my replies in them. Now there wasn't even a hint of suspicion anywhere on this shiny scammer's account. Dior also (after I mentioned those fake TF2/Dota2 hours in my post) simply removed both games from his Steam account. However, his new forum post was still saying "+15 trust ... Over 7777 hours in TF2". I asked Teeny if at least this part can be somehow contested. Nope. Yes, you read this right. Not only I was not allowed to express my opinion on forum but also was prohibited even from pointing out an outright lie. The following weeks were pretty uneventful. Just some people were getting scammed. Not a big deal, right? I was occasionally checking Dior's trust page and seeing -trusts from victims that were then promptly removed by Mods. Some victims actually made reports but were unwilling to follow or unable to prove it correctly. After all, this was usually the first time for them vs several years of Dior's scamming experience. Then the account was finally banned on March 21, one month after my report.
  26. 12 points

    (Poll) Are keys overvaluated?

    Okay ... so which part of "keys are bought for real money and their value is more or less fixed, refined is generated every day by thousands of players" do you not understand?
  27. 12 points
    Personally I'd rather spend that money on 523 packets of christmas tree shaped salted pretzels, but hey, you do you
  28. 12 points

    Absence of Outpost

    Geel is getting too strong we have to stop him before he gets all the infinity stones
  29. 12 points
    Adolf Storms

    Trading with scammers- perma ban on the first occassion?

    you traded a miami nights for a bonzo? you should get perm banned for being ... uh ... not smart (politically correct term instead of the one i wanted to use :P)
  30. 12 points

    Remove a dislike button on main site

    dislike button is a good feature.
  31. 12 points
    Scott Bakula

    Keys are dropping

    No. No. No. Keys becoming worth less refined does not in any way mean a crash. A key's value is tied to the US dollar, not refined. What a change like this means is simply that refined's value is going up and will have better purchasing power when jumping into the key-based part of Tf2's economy (and vice-versa).
  32. 11 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    My opinion on the crate-depression bans

    Most of the people who were banned sold to cash buy orders on marketplace, not to bots. That is/was thousands of dollars out of the pockets of users just because they happened to be asleep when this occurred. Geel and Jesse very kindly refunded them all, but they didn't have to and it wasn't their responsibility to do so, not to mention they are then out of pocket to all those abusers. Everyone who sold to buy orders knew full well that they wouldn't uphold those buy orders if they had any choice,. There's no way that this was a reasonably forseeable risk that people making buy orders can be blamed for not accounting for. What these people did is exploit the situation. And I don't blame them for that if they unboxed. I don't really blame them for that if they sold to cashout sites, those sites can take the hit, they make a ton of money - and if people wanted to risk being banned by those sites, that's on them. Bit scummy but not for me to get involved. But exploiting other traders is not something I am okay with condoning, and I wanted to send a very clear message that we as a website and as a community do not support that kind of behaviour. To address a couple other things you've said: - Repayment is already a requirement of appealing. - We ban based only on reports, so the fact that you know people who did this and didn't get banned is irrelevant. - I am the person who made the decision to ban these accounts, and you can accuse me of whatever you wish but the fact is I don't trade and I have no stake in any of this. I'm here to facilitate a positive community, nothing more.
  33. 11 points

    What's the most fun in trading for you

  34. 11 points
    Diamond jozu

    People that aimhack and spam discord links

    Just tell them the spoilers of the new avengers.you have then avenged your justice
  35. 11 points

    Open discussion on rules for trading with scammers (Part 2)

    There are a lot of replies to this thread that make me believe a lot of you guys don't understand why this is even a topic of discussion, so I just want to reiterate why I and others believe the "trading with scammers" rule is outdated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The purpose of the rule > The purpose of the rule was to make it harder for scammers to offload their scammed items and make a profit off of them, and as we all know, when this rule was created (which predates a lot of us), there were never *nearly* the amount of options there were to offload a scammed item than there are now. > Scam an unusual off a new trader but having a hard time selling it to a trader on Backpack.tf or any other trading website? Dump it on Scrap.tf! Marketplace.tf! Mannco.trade! Bitskins! SCM! STN! Tradeit.gg! Swap.gg! Dump it on a bot from the classifieds, where it's less likely for the bot to perform background checks! The point I'm trying to make is that even if we ban people for trading with scammers, *this doesn't affect their ability to sell scammed items anymore.* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Common Misconceptions about certain topics in this thread ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The rule still makes it difficult (even a little bit) for scammers to offload their scammed items" And other people who still hold this opinion, this is just simply untrue guys. It's really, REALLY easy for scammers to make a profit off of scammed items now. Use any automated trading website like the ones I listed above or pick a bot from the main site classifieds and you have a big window of opportunity to offload all of your items before an issue is even created on the issue tracker. *Scammers do not need to sell any of their items for even remotely close to market price in order for them to profit, seeing as they basically get these items for free. That is why automated trading websites are a point of discussion here.* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Different ways to change the rule for it to still be effective" Solution #1: I don't see the point of increasing the threshold at all?? If we increase the threshold to x number, all we're really doing is punishing richer traders, and that would completely eliminate the reason of why this rule was implemented to begin with. If you want to make it harder for scammers to dump their scammed items, understand that scammers target newer, and less experienced traders. We all know that newer and less experienced traders *MOST LIKELY* don't own 100+ key unusuals (I understand unboxes etc.), so what would we gain by punishing *ONLY* people who trade higher tier hats? *THIS IS ALL MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS RULE PROVIDES SOME PRACTICAL USE BY THE WAY.* Solution #2: I don't understand this thought process of removing the need for background checks. Going by the same assumption I bolded above, why is there a difference between a marked and unmarked scammer alt? Obviously it's a lot harder for the average trader to identify "obvious scammer alts", I understand that quite well. Still though, GOING BY THE SAME ASSUMPTION ABOVE, implementing this solution would give scammers even MORE of an incentive to create new steam profiles and offload their items that way. Hell, this would mean the only reason a scammer would need to buy an old steam account would be the initial scam attempt itself. Solution #3: We already have defined what an obvious scammer alt is, but in all fairness considering this thread is on the forums (which doesn't receive much traffic at all anymore) it definitely isn't as visible as I'd like it to be. And others who agree with sentiments like this, what would be the point in no longer permanently banning people for trading with scammers, knowingly or not? If you all still believe that banning people who trade with scammers still provides a practical benefit, AND THIS IS THE ASSUMPTION I WILL CONTINUE TO STICK WITH, what weight does a ban from our site carry if it isn't permanent? 1) We as mods would have to continue wasting time temporarily banning people who refuse to check who they trade with and 2) knowing that these bans wouldn't be permanent would mean that you as a user would have no reason to abide by them. GOING BY THE ABOVE ASSUMPTION, that would mean we as the staff here, if anything, would be enabling our users to trade with scammers. These are just the main concerns I've had going through these replies, and finally I want to address a question I've also read a lot. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What would be the benefits of completely getting rid of this rule? The way I view this issue now, we've been approaching the problem of scammers wrong for a long time. Above is the flow of scammed items; this is the process a scammed item goes through. A trader gets scammed by a scammer, and the scammer offloads the item to somebody who buys their hat, whether it be a normal trader, bot owner, or website owner. We have been allocating our time and resources into the end of the chain; punishing the person who trades with the scammer, but this ideology is ineffective for the reasons I highlighted in the beginning of this post. Once a scammer has successfully scammed a new trader, there are too many outlets for a scammer to dump their scammed items for profit, and it has gotten to the point where we can't even regulate a lot of these outlets anymore (marketplace, scrap, tradeit, mannco.store, etc.). We are the ONLY major trading website even enforcing this rule anymore, and this takes up too much of our time from handling actual scammer reports. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, what do I believe is the best way to address this issue? 1) Abolish this rule completely. The way I see it, this rule only harms our users now, and it's a complete waste of mod time to handle these types of reports now. - Quick note, this does *NOT* apply when it comes to fencing (buying scammed items en masse). 2) Once this rule is abolished, we, not just staff, but as a community, should devote more of our time to educating our average users on how to avoid common scam methods. If we all address this issue at the beginning of the chain, I believe there will be a longer lasting impact and more beneficial outcome to our problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well this was a long post 😅 I hope I got all of my points across as quickly and efficiently as possible. If you guys want to address ANY of the points I made in this uber long post, PLEASE DO SO BY QUOTING ONLY THE SECTION YOU WANT TO ADDRESS. It makes it a lot easier for everyone to read. If you made it this far and didn't cheat, kudos to you, and thanks for hearing me out. I look forward to this discussion
  36. 11 points

    Price check for Clairvoyance Lucky Cat Hat

    Going to lock this in order to prevent more drama. If someone has gathered the necessary proof, feel free to file a report on the main site. I do want to add that if there's the slightest bit of decency left inside you, you return the hat to the original owner. Scamming someone and bragging about it on the forums is incredibly low and shows that you're simply a terrible human being.
  37. 11 points

    Marketplace.tf scammer deals?

    Eh they don’t care as long as their 10% commission keeps coming in
  38. 11 points

    Petition to Ban Sharkers from premium

    Fancy quotes and words aside, I don’t think you understand why mew made this post. I agree with you on the point where in most cases, it’s difficult to draw a line as to what would be considered as a savvy trader and who would be considered a manipulative shark. However, as you said in your post, the same names come up in every sharking discussion, and don’t you think there’s a reason for that? I feel as though in this case the rotation buy is barely acceptable as it’s jhepot’s choice to sell for for whatever he wants to sell. I do agree with mew though that the more action should be taken against those who have clearly abused the system multiple times.
  39. 11 points

    Trading trading related memes

    My most upvoted post on Reddit, during the time keys reached a new high
  40. 11 points

    Thanks :D

    Hello. So I have my steam acc since 2015 and TF2 was the first ever game played and installed on steam for me. I never got into it and until this years summer only had about 30 hours in it. But my friends reintroduced me to the game and two days ago i cracked my first 100 hours and I don't feel stopping playing TF2 for a loooong time. It's just so good. Anyways I just wanted to say say a very big THANK YOU to all the people on the backpack.tf community, but also to the TF2 community in general. Everyone is nice and mostly willing to help with tricky choice and helping to learn how to be a better player. :) Special thanks to Friendly Guacamole (randriussr) on steam for reintroducing me to this fantastic game and it's community.
  41. 11 points
    Chilled Soda

    backpack.tf Singing Competition

    Welcome to the backpack.tf Singing Competition Info Thread! How it Works: - On a chosen date, we will enter the discord - People will sing their chosen songs one at a time, and everyone will listen - After everyone sings, a straw poll link will be sent in - There will be two categories to win from; the best overall singer, and the most passionate singer - The winner of the Best Overall Singer will be able to choose his/her prize, then the most passionate singer gets to choose - The event will also be streamed on twitch.tv for those who just want to watch, and the straw poll links will be available there as well - Event will be taking place on Wednesday the 5th of September at 20:00 GMT. Prizes: 1x Stormy Storm Magnificent Mongolian 1x Smoking Ze Goggles Please enter by replying with your Name, Discord Name, and the Song you want to sing It is up to the individual user to sort out audio/music sync/etc, please make sure we can hear the song by using the voice channels already available in the discord chat! Songs must have substantial vocal content. You can PM me any questions on the forums, steam, or discord. You can join the discord here. Contestants TheProcave, TheProcave#9932, Bohemian Rhapsody Queen Puddingkip, puddingkip#4971, DJ Ötzi's "Hey baby" Headshotdoge, [email protected], "Never gonna give you up" Rick astley FishCrimes, FishCrimes #1126, "Our House" by Madness Mikey99, Mikey99#2326, Micheal Jackson - Billy Jean The Sis, Zeus_Junior#2403, Travie McCoy: Billionaire ft. Bruno Mars Zeus_Junior, Zeus_Junior#2403, Trust Fund Baby - Why Don't We
  42. 11 points
    Scott Bakula

    Will the economy change ??

    Those people are fucking idiots.
  43. 11 points

    Contest Entry #4

    My Entry :- How it looks on the website...
  44. 11 points

    Lower the key price

    Okay, in my opinion the key price at the moment is too high. The price should be around 10 ref, more or less, because there are new players and is very hard for them. And 27 ref is exaggerated, way too high for new players. This is just my opinion so yeah, no hate.
  45. 11 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Backpack.tf Unusual Pricing Event Signup!

    Hello again, and welcome! It's that time again, we're ready for another pricing event where we band together in teams to get as many unusual items updated as possible with great prizes at the end! Please read this thread carefully before posting, if your post does not include the required information you WILL NOT BE ENTERED. Sign-up rules: In order to join the event, you need to post the following in this thread. PMs to individual mods or admins will be ignored, as we need this information all in one place. Your time zone Number of hours you have available to participate per day The rough times of day you will be available in GMT (ie - are you awake all night or around in the day, etc) It is important that you join the discord server so that you can be allocated to your team and communicate with them about your suggestions: https://discordapp.com/invite/j7cMkGF
  46. 10 points

    Hilarious jackpot scammer

    If this is your definition of humor I feel sorry for you
  47. 10 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Best Discord Conversations.

  48. 10 points

    Valve to censor anime sexual content.luls

    And nothing of value was lost.
  49. 10 points
    Welcome to the internet my friend!
  50. 10 points

    How do you guys make profit?

    I take unpriced hats with seriously bad effects, use bp.tf premium to find new unboxers who haven't used bp.tf, and offer on their new unpriced unusuals with way better effects, and I threaten people who call out my bullshit ecks dee
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