Skip is trying to get me banned on steamrep with fake chats.

[Graatz]

2 minutes ago, 3.50 said:

Always happy to help if I can :3

 

You definitely don't have to be online 24/7.  They're used to people living in different parts of the world, who all have school/work/real life to schedule around.  Reply when you can, and you should be fine.  If there's going to be a long delay (work/school/sleeping are completely normal delays, not long ones), let them know.

 

I'm pretty sure that fabricated reports are pretty rare overall, but not so rare that they haven't handled them at SR before.  I'm pretty sure they know by now how easy it is to generate a fake Steam chat (30 seconds on the google machine will tell you that).  And faked chats could result in incorrectly marking some people, but a scammer who burns through 10+ alt accounts a week would not bother trying to fight a SR report...So just the fact that you show up to defend yourself and cooperate looks very good, and they'll almost certainly take a much harder look before slapping a tag on.  The admin handling it already seems skeptical of skip, so I'd expect him to take an extra-hard look, and get this sorted out for you. 

 

One thing I'm afraid of is that It might continue in the future. I mean, if he wants me banned now, he might try doing that over and over again....

[3.50]

Just now, Graatz said:

 

One thing I'm afraid of is that It might continue in the future. I mean, if he wants me banned now, he might try doing that over and over again....

Well, that's a possibility, but...If they decide he faked the chats, I'm pretty sure they'll ban or mark him. (or at the very least, a warning).  You should have no more trouble from him at that point.

 

If he wanted to go so far as to create alts to try to report you on, I'm (fairly?) sure SR would IP ban him; I'd assume after the first attempt from an alt, though I don't know their policy for sure. 

 

If he really wanted to take things to the extreme and recruit friends to also report you, then you might have to spend time defending yourself down the road.  But even in the most extreme case, he'd have to spend a lot more time accusing you than it would take you to defend yourself, so he'd tire himself out pretty quickly.

 

And in all of the above cases, assuming the first attempt fails, each successive attempt will be easier for you to defend against.  You'll know exactly what you're doing, and you can point out that you were falsely accused before.  He'll just be wasting his time.  So I wouldn't worry about it.  Get through this report, and don't worry about what might happen next.

 

Plus, if he's taking things way too personally in this case, chances are he gets mad very easily and will soon find a new target for his anger.  Just don't interact with him beyond/after defending yourself from the report, and he'll almost certainly move on.

[Torb]

2 minutes ago, 3.50 said:

Well, that's a possibility, but...If they decide he faked the chats, I'm pretty sure they'll ban or mark him. (or at the very least, a warning).  You should have no more trouble from him at that point.

 

If he wanted to go so far as to create alts to try to report you on, I'm (fairly?) sure SR would IP ban him; I'd assume after the first attempt from an alt, though I don't know their policy for sure. 

 

If he really wanted to take things to the extreme and recruit friends to also report you, then you might have to spend time defending yourself down the road.  But even in the most extreme case, he'd have to spend a lot more time accusing you than it would take you to defend yourself, so he'd tire himself out pretty quickly.

 

And in all of the above cases, assuming the first attempt fails, each successive attempt will be easier for you to defend against.  You'll know exactly what you're doing, and you can point out that you were falsely accused before.  He'll just be wasting his time.  So I wouldn't worry about it.  Get through this report, and don't worry about what might happen next.

 

Plus, if he's taking things way too personally in this case, chances are he gets mad very easily and will soon find a new target for his anger.  Just don't interact with him beyond/after defending yourself from the report, and he'll almost certainly move on.

False reports get you a ban and you get marked as a scammer

[Tree Goat]

Also with Steamrep Reports I'm pretty sure his also missing 2 things which make the evidence valid, One of them is having their mouse hover over the profile picture to show their level, badge and status as well as the taskbar that shows applications, time, date, as I was required to repost images which had those things

[Sprekt]

You're fucked.

 

This is why you shouldn't mess with those people. Someone seriously need to investigate Harbinger, since he most likely was involved in this obvious price manipulation with Skip and perhaps Emcee? -> https://backpack.tf/suggestion/59df1048cf6c7530de7c5b62 

Anyways, he had a scorching pomade prince at the time of the suggestion, showcased on his profile. 

I've also heard numerous unconfirmed scummy stuff(including fake chat logs) from the users mentioned above.

 

 

[Sprekt]

12 hours ago, Diamond jozu said:

got any evidence that harbinger is behind this?if not,stop blatantly accusing him

Of course he is. It's not that hard to know that Skip is associated with Harbinger. Why would Skip add him in the first place anyways? One does not simply pay ~700 keys for a scout hat to try and flip it when better effects are worth less than 50% of it's value. This kinda proves my accusation of manipulation above.

 

Harbinger has also hosted a witchhunt on Emcee, and owned a group to protect traders from scammers(emcee) he's 110% doing that to hide something, and it's not helping him that he's acting almost identically as Emcee. Wouldn't even be surprised if it turns out that Emcee and Harbinger is the same person at this point :')

[S T E W]

8 hours ago, Sprekt said:

Of course he is. It's not that hard to know that Skip is associated with Harbinger. Why would Skip add him in the first place anyways? One does not simply pay ~700 keys for a scout hat to try and flip it when better effects are worth less than 50% of it's value. This kinda proves my accusation of manipulation above.

 

Harbinger has also hosted a witchhunt on Emcee, and owned a group to protect traders from scammers(emcee) he's 110% doing that to hide something, and it's not helping him that he's acting almost identically as Emcee. Wouldn't even be surprised if it turns out that Emcee and Harbinger is the same person at this point :')

Mhm. You and I know the group pretty well.

 

[galkeind]

This is a long post so before anyone replies I’d like you to read all of this as I know everything that is going on here due to me having been scammed by Skip (was my friend for a long time). I’m doing this because I hate Skip for what he did to me. I spent a really long time compiling this so please don’t disrespect me and create a flame war.

@Sprekt
You were told by the person who made the fake report on Graatz to blame Harb, you directly admitted to being close friends with him in the pomade suggestion and you’ve been banned for trading scammers in the past. I strongly doubt you’ve met Harb before.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/59df1048cf6c7530de7c5b62
This is a price manipulator: https://backpack.tf/u/76561197976440654
Raven staged trades with alts to not reflect their true values this is what price manipulation is
Skip is not a price manipulator because he didn’t lie about what he paid, your argument of higher tier effects being available is null due to them not being available (burn was for sale for 600 months ago by RainyDay no other high tiers) and if you were to check the suggestion again you’ll see skip bought the pomade with dying items including unusual taunts so in reality he paid 400 max in unusuals. I don’t see Harbinger involved anywhere in that suggestion so if you want to call it manipulation then accuse the people actually involved in the trades and not some random guy...

Is it something wrong to have a scammer as a good friend? :3
Avatar ★ Sprekt is buying backpacks · posted 2 months ago · Score: -4

@Stew
You were told by the person who made the fake report on Graatz to blame Harb, you directly admitted to being close friends with him saying you play fortnite with him regularly. You had Swagmans name in your history during a time when Swag had a false report on him as well as being friends with EmCee (the person who made both these reports) so you were questioned and only questioned. No one reported you, your archive is empty: https://forums.steamrep.com/search/search/?keywords=76561198113853563&o=date

@djsober
I strongly doubt you met Harb before, don’t harass him none of these people have provided any evidence accusation alone is not enough. If i got 3 of my friends to accuse you of scamming should you be banned?

@Graatz
You were told by the same person who did the fake report on you to blame Harb, you were close friends with Harb for years I’m shocked you went for it. I don’t see a connection between an argument and a false report.

@Diamond
Thank you for being reasonable, this is how everyone should act we live in a world where we are innocent until proven otherwise.

So if you’re done attacking an innocent person let’s address the actual false reporter which is the point of this forum.

I will now provide evidence, so if any of you decide to reply to me suggesting I am wrong ONLY DO SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK IT UP RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ALL CLAIM IGNORANCE IF YOU CONTINUE PRESSING WITHOUT EVIDENCE YOU WILL NOW BE AIDING THE FALSE REPORTER UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS WRONG DON’T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS DOESN’T HELP GRAATZ AT ALL!

Let’s move on to the OP’s topic.

I have all the information you’ll want to see, the reason I know what I’m about to tell you is because skip scammed me about of nearly 200+ pure keys as well as other items and 3 unusuals.

This is skips partner (EmCee) who added you Graatz and told all these people to go after Harb: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197965751853
This is the profile you get when you click alt acc: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198272314010
This is what you get when you click search SR forum: https://forums.steamrep.com/search/8156507/?q=76561198272314010&o=date
This is the top query: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198079515445-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.162313/#post-429326

Already we see that EmCee has made fake reports EXACTLY like the one that Graatz is dealing with now which instantly invalidates claims from the people fingering Harb in this post.

Proof EmCee and Skip worked together to scam me and are working together on this report: https://imgur.com/a/HOpme

After I got scammed both Skip and EmCee shat on my face and mocked me for hours and hours so I know what I’m talking about.

Proof that Skip scammed me: https://imgur.com/a/wIal0

All my items gone to this guy.

My report on Skip: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198076738954-other-other-game-items.178719/

Didn’t follow SR policy despite the admin directly apologising for my loss and advising me to learn from the mistake.

“I'm sorry for your loss... but you do not have the vital evidence we require to review a report here and therefore you can only report the user to Valve and try to learn from the mistake.” - Horse (SR admin)

I’ve tried adding you Graatz but as you said you’re afraid of something like what happened with Skip happening again despite my best efforts to persuade you.

Summary:

I’ve provided evidence that Skip is a scammer
I’ve provided evidence the false reporter is EmCee
I’ve provided evidence that Skip and EmCee are partners
I’ve provided evidence to counter the witch hunt you’re all doing

I am being very respectful but it does frustrate me when you guys are fooled by someone with fake reports on his record.

THIS POST IS FOR GRAATZ THIS FORUM IS FOR GRAATZ HE IS THE VICTIM UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING HELPFUL TO ADD DON’T ADD ANYTHING TO THE DISCUSSION

Graatz the links I provided you with will aid you so use them.

[S T E W]

13 hours ago, galkeind said:

This is a long post so before anyone replies I’d like you to read all of this as I know everything that is going on here due to me having been scammed by Skip (was my friend for a long time). I’m doing this because I hate Skip for what he did to me. I spent a really long time compiling this so please don’t disrespect me and create a flame war.

@Sprekt
You were told by the person who made the fake report on Graatz to blame Harb, you directly admitted to being close friends with him in the pomade suggestion and you’ve been banned for trading scammers in the past. I strongly doubt you’ve met Harb before.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/59df1048cf6c7530de7c5b62
This is a price manipulator: https://backpack.tf/u/76561197976440654
Raven staged trades with alts to not reflect their true values this is what price manipulation is
Skip is not a price manipulator because he didn’t lie about what he paid, your argument of higher tier effects being available is null due to them not being available (burn was for sale for 600 months ago by RainyDay no other high tiers) and if you were to check the suggestion again you’ll see skip bought the pomade with dying items including unusual taunts so in reality he paid 400 max in unusuals. I don’t see Harbinger involved anywhere in that suggestion so if you want to call it manipulation then accuse the people actually involved in the trades and not some random guy...

Is it something wrong to have a scammer as a good friend? :3
Avatar ★ Sprekt is buying backpacks · posted 2 months ago · Score: -4

@Stew
You were told by the person who made the fake report on Graatz to blame Harb, you directly admitted to being close friends with him saying you play fortnite with him regularly. You had Swagmans name in your history during a time when Swag had a false report on him as well as being friends with EmCee (the person who made both these reports) so you were questioned and only questioned. No one reported you, your archive is empty: https://forums.steamrep.com/search/search/?keywords=76561198113853563&o=date

@djsober
I strongly doubt you met Harb before, don’t harass him none of these people have provided any evidence accusation alone is not enough. If i got 3 of my friends to accuse you of scamming should you be banned?

@Graatz
You were told by the same person who did the fake report on you to blame Harb, you were close friends with Harb for years I’m shocked you went for it. I don’t see a connection between an argument and a false report.

@Diamond
Thank you for being reasonable, this is how everyone should act we live in a world where we are innocent until proven otherwise.

So if you’re done attacking an innocent person let’s address the actual false reporter which is the point of this forum.

I will now provide evidence, so if any of you decide to reply to me suggesting I am wrong ONLY DO SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK IT UP RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ALL CLAIM IGNORANCE IF YOU CONTINUE PRESSING WITHOUT EVIDENCE YOU WILL NOW BE AIDING THE FALSE REPORTER UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS WRONG DON’T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS DOESN’T HELP GRAATZ AT ALL!

Let’s move on to the OP’s topic.

I have all the information you’ll want to see, the reason I know what I’m about to tell you is because skip scammed me about of nearly 200+ pure keys as well as other items and 3 unusuals.

This is skips partner (EmCee) who added you Graatz and told all these people to go after Harb: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197965751853
This is the profile you get when you click alt acc: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198272314010
This is what you get when you click search SR forum: https://forums.steamrep.com/search/8156507/?q=76561198272314010&o=date
This is the top query: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198079515445-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.162313/#post-429326

Already we see that EmCee has made fake reports EXACTLY like the one that Graatz is dealing with now which instantly invalidates claims from the people fingering Harb in this post.

Proof EmCee and Skip worked together to scam me and are working together on this report: https://imgur.com/a/HOpme

After I got scammed both Skip and EmCee shat on my face and mocked me for hours and hours so I know what I’m talking about.

Proof that Skip scammed me: https://imgur.com/a/wIal0

All my items gone to this guy.

My report on Skip: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198076738954-other-other-game-items.178719/

Didn’t follow SR policy despite the admin directly apologising for my loss and advising me to learn from the mistake.

“I'm sorry for your loss... but you do not have the vital evidence we require to review a report here and therefore you can only report the user to Valve and try to learn from the mistake.” - Horse (SR admin)

I’ve tried adding you Graatz but as you said you’re afraid of something like what happened with Skip happening again despite my best efforts to persuade you.

Summary:

I’ve provided evidence that Skip is a scammer
I’ve provided evidence the false reporter is EmCee
I’ve provided evidence that Skip and EmCee are partners
I’ve provided evidence to counter the witch hunt you’re all doing

I am being very respectful but it does frustrate me when you guys are fooled by someone with fake reports on his record.

THIS POST IS FOR GRAATZ THIS FORUM IS FOR GRAATZ HE IS THE VICTIM UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING HELPFUL TO ADD DON’T ADD ANYTHING TO THE DISCUSSION

Graatz the links I provided you with will aid you so use them.

 

To address your paragraph regarding me; no, I was not told by anyone to say it was Harbinger. I washed my hands of Emcee months ago, as I know he was bad news. We did play fortnite for one night, and yes, I will admit it was pretty fun, but that was in September. Also, I did not state that a report was made against me. I simply said something around the lines of Harb and co was trying to gather information. Swagman would have had to make a report for it to honestly matter, I do believe. But I gathered my information and dissuaded him. But yeah, I was acting on my own by pointing out Harb. He still just seems pretty shady to me, and I thought Skip and him were tight, but I've never held a real conversation with the man. Appreciate your post, as was full of helpful information.

[Diamond jozu]

On 1/19/2018 at 11:04 AM, S T E W said:

Woah there Mr, I'm not saying he IS behind this. I've had too many encounters with that group to know that he pulls the strings. I DO believe I know more than you know about him.

 

not accusing of anyone but im just saying that i dont see why harb has to be brought in here.this is rather confusing

[Sprekt]

21 hours ago, galkeind said:

This is a long post so before anyone replies I’d like you to read all of this as I know everything that is going on here due to me having been scammed by Skip (was my friend for a long time). I’m doing this because I hate Skip for what he did to me. I spent a really long time compiling this so please don’t disrespect me and create a flame war.

@Sprekt
You were told by the person who made the fake report on Graatz to blame Harb, you directly admitted to being close friends with him in the pomade suggestion and you’ve been banned for trading scammers in the past. I strongly doubt you’ve met Harb before.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/59df1048cf6c7530de7c5b62
This is a price manipulator: https://backpack.tf/u/76561197976440654
Raven staged trades with alts to not reflect their true values this is what price manipulation is
Skip is not a price manipulator because he didn’t lie about what he paid, your argument of higher tier effects being available is null due to them not being available (burn was for sale for 600 months ago by RainyDay no other high tiers) and if you were to check the suggestion again you’ll see skip bought the pomade with dying items including unusual taunts so in reality he paid 400 max in unusuals. I don’t see Harbinger involved anywhere in that suggestion so if you want to call it manipulation then accuse the people actually involved in the trades and not some random guy...

Is it something wrong to have a scammer as a good friend? :3
Avatar ★ Sprekt is buying backpacks · posted 2 months ago · Score: -4

@Stew
You were told by the person who made the fake report on Graatz to blame Harb, you directly admitted to being close friends with him saying you play fortnite with him regularly. You had Swagmans name in your history during a time when Swag had a false report on him as well as being friends with EmCee (the person who made both these reports) so you were questioned and only questioned. No one reported you, your archive is empty: https://forums.steamrep.com/search/search/?keywords=76561198113853563&o=date

@djsober
I strongly doubt you met Harb before, don’t harass him none of these people have provided any evidence accusation alone is not enough. If i got 3 of my friends to accuse you of scamming should you be banned?

@Graatz
You were told by the same person who did the fake report on you to blame Harb, you were close friends with Harb for years I’m shocked you went for it. I don’t see a connection between an argument and a false report.

@Diamond
Thank you for being reasonable, this is how everyone should act we live in a world where we are innocent until proven otherwise.

So if you’re done attacking an innocent person let’s address the actual false reporter which is the point of this forum.

I will now provide evidence, so if any of you decide to reply to me suggesting I am wrong ONLY DO SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK IT UP RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ALL CLAIM IGNORANCE IF YOU CONTINUE PRESSING WITHOUT EVIDENCE YOU WILL NOW BE AIDING THE FALSE REPORTER UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS WRONG DON’T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS DOESN’T HELP GRAATZ AT ALL!

Let’s move on to the OP’s topic.

I have all the information you’ll want to see, the reason I know what I’m about to tell you is because skip scammed me about of nearly 200+ pure keys as well as other items and 3 unusuals.

This is skips partner (EmCee) who added you Graatz and told all these people to go after Harb: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197965751853
This is the profile you get when you click alt acc: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198272314010
This is what you get when you click search SR forum: https://forums.steamrep.com/search/8156507/?q=76561198272314010&o=date
This is the top query: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198079515445-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.162313/#post-429326

Already we see that EmCee has made fake reports EXACTLY like the one that Graatz is dealing with now which instantly invalidates claims from the people fingering Harb in this post.

Proof EmCee and Skip worked together to scam me and are working together on this report: https://imgur.com/a/HOpme

After I got scammed both Skip and EmCee shat on my face and mocked me for hours and hours so I know what I’m talking about.

Proof that Skip scammed me: https://imgur.com/a/wIal0

All my items gone to this guy.

My report on Skip: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198076738954-other-other-game-items.178719/

Didn’t follow SR policy despite the admin directly apologising for my loss and advising me to learn from the mistake.

“I'm sorry for your loss... but you do not have the vital evidence we require to review a report here and therefore you can only report the user to Valve and try to learn from the mistake.” - Horse (SR admin)

I’ve tried adding you Graatz but as you said you’re afraid of something like what happened with Skip happening again despite my best efforts to persuade you.

Summary:

I’ve provided evidence that Skip is a scammer
I’ve provided evidence the false reporter is EmCee
I’ve provided evidence that Skip and EmCee are partners
I’ve provided evidence to counter the witch hunt you’re all doing

I am being very respectful but it does frustrate me when you guys are fooled by someone with fake reports on his record.

THIS POST IS FOR GRAATZ THIS FORUM IS FOR GRAATZ HE IS THE VICTIM UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING HELPFUL TO ADD DON’T ADD ANYTHING TO THE DISCUSSION

Graatz the links I provided you with will aid you so use them.

No one has told me to blame Harbinger? It's just too much of a coincidence to see Skip "saving" the price suggestion by paying a lot(if i wasn't for him the other high sale would be an high outlier) and at the same time see Harbinger showcasing the same item on his steam profile. Skip and Harbinger are commenting together on various steam profiles so it's not that hard to make that accusation. Also, where did you get all this knowledge from 100 hours ingame and <1 year account? Oh, I see Harbinger in your friendslist :')

 

Also, if you develop a strong friendship with someone during months, and later it turns out that he's a scammer, it's not that simple to just leave him. Since I also heard about attempts to fake ban I couldn't just run away until I was sure that he wouldn't try to ban me hence why I lied to almost everyone that I still was his close friend.

 

Also, I find it a bit strange that I see Harbinger together with Skip from time to time but you're stating that Skip is "working" with Emcee...So Skip is basically a friend with someone that has spent a shit ton of time to get Emcee banned, but at the same time Skip is "working" for the exact same guy that Harbinger hates? That just makes me think that Harbinger and Emcee is the same person even more.

 

Side note, it was actually Skip that exposed Emcee for me with proof of some really dirty stuff, which really made me rethink my opinions about him, so your post doesn't makes sense for me at all.

 

And no - I haven't met Harbinger. The only time I was in "contact" with him was when I tried to help Skip with proofs of sharking and Harbinger left a comment after mine, on Skips profile. I just don't trust people with a profile similar to Emcees anymore for obvious reasons, and what do I know? I might be wrong.

 

It seems like you're sitting on some valuable information, maybe provide some more proof?

[galkeind]

Stew you said you’ve never had a real conversation with him yet you accuse him of being shady, you were told by someone who makes false reports (which I prove he makes) to think that. The idea came into your head from someone who fabricates evidence to attack traders this is a fact you can’t deny. You directly avoided admitting this. Look at what Sprekt said about the group and the “witch hunt” that investigation lead to EmCee’s trade ban so EmCee told everyone that anyone investigating is evil etc so they wouldn’t answer any questions to try and keep him alive a little bit longer. Would you like screenshots of said investigation? Here: https://imgur.com/a/mMD6M Chat proof all he ever did was try to get peoples items back that EmCee stole, I can get a lot more chats but I’d have to go ask for them and he’s offline rn. You were given 0 evidence, and were told by someone you knew that was not only a scammer but actively tries to frame and false report people so you’re either not that bright or allied with him now because of you copying Swagmans name and Swag having a false report on him and at the time you were friends with EmCee you were questioned and suspiciously you chose to pledge yourself to the scammer. I know for a fact all he ever did was ask you why there were no threats please provide screenshots of you being threatened or stop making the accusation I don’t accuse you of scamming and go “sorry no evidence but I’ll accuse anyways lol xd” I expect the same from you. “Mhm. You and I know that group pretty well.” This doesn’t help, there is no group or secret society for a start and if you want to say there is please provide evidence as that is already a ridiculous story to believe. TF2 is a decade old free to play game you’re suggesting there are gangsters running an operation or something? I will ask you again to please respect me, there is evidence against you and nothing against Harb which already puts you at a disadvantage this is not a flame war this is a false report case and what you’re doing is only drawing attention away from the actual scammer and victim. You say EmCee didn’t tell you to say this which I can start to believe if you stop assisting him, I already added Graatz and sent him video proof of who is doing these reports and you acting as the false reporters mouthpiece is only going to get more suspicious the more you do it. “He still just seems pretty shady to me, and I thought Skip and him were tight, but I've never held a real conversation with the man” I’m sorry, where would you be getting this information? Like you say you’ve never even spoken to him yet you thought you knew who he is close friends with and him being shady? This comes from the same person framing Graatz so like I suggested you should stop. If I am wrong, please provide evidence. I’ve provided evidence everyone he added he was kind to and tried to get their items back which actually worked in a few cases. If you have something to say that will be of use to Graatz then say it if not then be silent. I’ve taken so much time out for Graatz due to my personal hatred against Skip for what he did to me I don’t need these pointless arguments. Stew I do not have anything against you I am not bias here but I am getting frustrated how easily you guys fall for this sort of thing a SR banned scammer tag would immediately mean these people are manipulative the fact he even has a false report tag should of made the idea his word means 0 concrete in your mind. If you simply made a mistake I’d accept an apology but if you keep supporting the false reporter then you’re only going to draw suspicion.

[galkeind]

“Also, I find it a bit strange that I see Harbinger together with Skip from time to time but you're stating that Skip is "working" with Emcee...” Where? Where do you see them together? Please provide evidence of them associating at any point this year. If you would like to do research use SR tools to check Skip or Harb’s Friend activity they clearly aren’t in contact anymore.

[galkeind]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/galkeind This is my main account, it says this in my profile with a link to it and that profile I just linked you.

 

 

[galkeind]

“It seems like you're sitting on some valuable information, maybe provide some more proof? :)”

 

I’ve not stopped providing proof for everything I’ve said but you guys are the ones not providing evidence.

 

FOR THE LAST TIME THIS IS NOT A FLAME WAR THIS FORUM IS FOR GRAATZ IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE THEN DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

[Sprekt]

7 minutes ago, galkeind said:

“Also, I find it a bit strange that I see Harbinger together with Skip from time to time but you're stating that Skip is "working" with Emcee...” Where? Where do you see them together? Please provide evidence of them associating at any point this year. If you would like to do research use SR tools to check Skip or Harb’s Friend activity they clearly aren’t in contact anymore.

That was the only thing you reacted on from my answer? You're clearly hiding something.

 

The fact that Harbinger responded before/at the same time(was a long time ago) Skip on Skips steam profile when I commented makes me wonder...and how hard is it to set up an alt account and be friends there? (not saying that it's the case, but still)

 

Look, I'm not trying to say that everything I'm stating is correct but when someone that's clearly associated with Harbinger and the hunt on Emcee tells me a story that doesn't match with things i've seen/heard, really makes me question your trustworthiness, and I hope you understand that. 

 

And NO. I'm not defending Emcee in ANY way.  

[galkeind]

...Sprekt I keep asking you this

 

Could you please provide evidence that can counter video proof I sent to Graatz and everything I posted here? Please would you not avoid this in your next reply your entire argument is based off “well gee they got the same unusual must be price manipulators” I already showed you a true price manipulator and you ignored it, if skip lied about what he paid then it’s price manipulation but he didn’t, and I told you he paid 400 in dying items please check the compare link again

[Sprekt]

1 minute ago, galkeind said:

...Sprekt I keep asking you this

 

Could you please provide evidence that can counter video proof I sent to Graatz and everything I posted here? Please would you not avoid this in your next reply your entire argument is based off “well gee they got the same unusual must be price manipulators” I already showed you a true price manipulator and you ignored it, if skip lied about what he paid then it’s price manipulation but he didn’t, and I told you he paid 400 in dying items please check the compare link again

Well I'm not sure if you understand what I meant with manipulation but basically I mean that Harbinger paid OR told Skip to buy the said item for that price, to make Harbingers hat skyrocket in value. That if anything is manipulation. I also heard from a user that Harbinger paid way less than the suggested price, and if that's true, it's obvious that the price was manipulated. I'm not stating that this IS the case. This happened a long time ago and I don't have any proof so you're more than welcome to accuse me of lying, it's kinda frustrating that I didn't saved all of the info I got a few months back. 

 

Also, since you haven't provided any "video proof" to me so it's kinda hard to provide counter proof to something that I'm not 100% sure if it exists or not. Still, your explanation doesn't match nor makes sense at all with my perspective. Not to mention that you completely "forgot" to respond to my other points made in my first response. I hope you understand that's extremely hard to believe any of you involved since you're basically accusing each other for faking everything, who should I believe?

[galkeind]

Sprekt something you fail to understand is the name of this topic, it isn’t “let’s make a theory if skip manipulated a price” it’s “Skip is trying to ban me with fake chats” which is what I am discussing. The user who told you was EmCee btw someone I already provided evidence of false reporting. If you honestly believe Skip is involved with Harb then check the SR friend activity they haven’t been friends in a while, I’m telling the truth when I say when I was scammed both Raiden and Harb bullied Skip into paying me back which scared Skip away I’ve been friends with Harb longer I’m making these comments half because skip fucked me and other half EmCee fucked me and keeps lying about people if you would like to ask the Op what he thinks I came into contact with him recently and showed him videos of what I already showed + some other things which confirms I’m not lying to him, he knows how to handle this report now and he will definitely walk out of it clean. “rocket in value. That if anything is manipulation. I also heard from a user that Harbinger paid way less than the suggested price, and” Sorry you can’t have it both ways, if skip manipulated the price then Harb paid its actual price, if Harb is a shark then Skip didn’t manipulate the price it’s basic logic. I will tell you this one last time Sprekt. This isn’t about you this is about Skip and Graatz I don’t want to argue with you because it’ll go on and on and on remember YOU HAVE BEEN BANNNED FOR TRADING WITH SCAMMERS, you say you are good friends with scammers you talk a lot of shit but provide 0 evidence and all your actions are in favour of EmCee. Obviously you are going to make another massive post but I’m sorry I’m not interested in a long debate with you if you want to pursue what you’re saying then gather evidence and report it but I can tell you in advance that isn’t price manipulation if you’re trying to say Harb did this to profit then why didn’t he sell it? Do you see another sale? Someone private wouldn’t care about a bptf ranking so just stop already you’re making a fool of yourself. Unless you provide evidence in your next long post I’m simply not going to respond because it will go on forever.

 

 

[Sprekt]

17 minutes ago, galkeind said:

Sprekt something you fail to understand is the name of this topic, it isn’t “let’s make a theory if skip manipulated a price” it’s “Skip is trying to ban me with fake chats” which is what I am discussing. The user who told you was EmCee btw someone I already provided evidence of false reporting. If you honestly believe Skip is involved with Harb then check the SR friend activity they haven’t been friends in a while, I’m telling the truth when I say when I was scammed both Raiden and Harb bullied Skip into paying me back which scared Skip away I’ve been friends with Harb longer I’m making these comments half because skip fucked me and other half EmCee fucked me and keeps lying about people if you would like to ask the Op what he thinks I came into contact with him recently and showed him videos of what I already showed + some other things which confirms I’m not lying to him, he knows how to handle this report now and he will definitely walk out of it clean. “rocket in value. That if anything is manipulation. I also heard from a user that Harbinger paid way less than the suggested price, and” Sorry you can’t have it both ways, if skip manipulated the price then Harb paid its actual price, if Harb is a shark then Skip didn’t manipulate the price it’s basic logic. I will tell you this one last time Sprekt. This isn’t about you this is about Skip and Graatz I don’t want to argue with you because it’ll go on and on and on remember YOU HAVE BEEN BANNNED FOR TRADING WITH SCAMMERS, you say you are good friends with scammers you talk a lot of shit but provide 0 evidence and all your actions are in favour of EmCee. Obviously you are going to make another massive post but I’m sorry I’m not interested in a long debate with you if you want to pursue what you’re saying then gather evidence and report it but I can tell you in advance that isn’t price manipulation if you’re trying to say Harb did this to profit then why didn’t he sell it? Do you see another sale? Someone private wouldn’t care about a bptf ranking so just stop already you’re making a fool of yourself. Unless you provide evidence in your next long post I’m simply not going to respond because it will go on forever.

 

 

I'm fine with leaving this here, but you're still choosing to ignore my point. It's still words against words, since the links you provided above including the report isn't the best proof i've seen, if I say so. 

 

Anyways, I explained why I told everyone that I still was Emcees friend, to avoid Graatz position. Trust me, I hate Emcee.

 

Skip isn't the manipulator if it turns out to be as I said, it's Harbinger. I don't want to explain to you again so read my post above and hopefully you'll finally understand why.

 

Haha yeah, use my ban for trading scammers as an argument. Sold a taunt through my bot, to an unmarked alt account, which was valued at 0.5 keys more than the ban limit. And since you told me that skips purchase was valued less due to taunts, you have to realize how silly my ban was. Using that argument is actually kinda cute

 

Uhh, I think Harbinger doesn't care about rankings, but everyone cares about $$$, right?

 

I'm not taking anyone's side here, I'm just questioning Harbinger. 

 

But sure, ignore my arguments and continue to believe that I'm a friend with Emcee. Haven't been in contact with him for months and I'll never be in contact with him again. Let's just hope that Graatz will escape this situation and Skip will get the ban he deserves

 

EDIT. Still don't understand why Skip would expose Emcee if they're working together.

[Diamond jozu]

can we close this?

[galkeind]

You consider this weak evidence Sprekt? Proof EmCee does these reports and did it go Graatz: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLSuzbZs00 Compare them they are the same Proof Skip scammed me: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=42XAWw1Rgrs Proof EmCee and Skip are partners: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8jHo_WcC6A Yeah weak ok. Ask Graatz I showed him even more.

[galkeind]

Your argument for saying you’re good friends with EmCee is you fear a false report yet you say my evidence that he does this is weak? What? Also please don’t make another paragraph with no evidence this forum is about Graatz not you.