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I get a lot of suggestion-specific questions that I have to answer with "depends on the situation", because theyre situation-specific things. Today I received a request for a thread such as this, where people can ask questions related to suggestions, so here it is!

Questions about suggestions that you are about to make, such as:
- Are trades with this person valid? (i.e when the user is banned, but not marked on SR)
- Is this sale a valid one to use?

- Is this sale considered a quicksale for backpack.tf pricing?
- Is this sale an outlier?

But also questions about suggestions that were already made:
- Is this suggestion valid 
- This suggestion was accepted, but there are more sales that weren't used in the suggestion. Why is that?
- This suggestion was closed and I dont know why. What was wrong with it?
- This suggestion has been up for a while, but has not been addressed/decided on. Why is it left open?
- Etc.

So if you have any questions about a suggestion you want to post (whether its because you are inexperienced in suggesting and want some help, or because you want to do something rather controversial) and prefer to have a mods view on it before posting it, or if you see a suggestion (open, accepted or closed) and have questions about what will happen with them, feel free to ask here.

I'll try to address every question here as fast as possible (and can ask other mods to occasionally check if they like the idea). Note that the more info I get, the easier it will be for me to give an answer. Also note that some of these questions will get an open answer, as some situations are hard to address, or are grey areas where it could go both ways.

This is an initiative of which I dont know how frequent it will be used and how well it will work, but as long as there's demand for such a thread, Ill keep it open. I feel like it will help to prevent suggestions to get lost in the backlog. 

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But also sales about suggestions that were already made:

- Is this suggestion valid 

- This suggestion was accepted, but there are more sales that weren't used in the suggestion. Why is that?

- This suggestion was closed and I dont know why. What was wrong with it?

- THis suggestion has been up for a while, but has not been addressed/decided on. Why is it left open?

- Etc.

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I like this though, I'm sure I'll end up using it at some point

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Can you clarify something crystal?

 

Say I have a mixed trade. 100 pure + a 35.5 key unu and a 16.8 key unu, it would just be 100+35.5+16.8 then suggest at 152, right?

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Can you clarify something crystal?

 

Say I have a mixed trade. 100 pure + a 35.5 key unu and a 16.8 key unu, it would just be 100+35.5+16.8 then suggest at 152, right?

If that is the only usable sale and if both the unusuals involved are in-date, then yes. Note that if the seller had a buyout, the sale may need to be capped at that

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I remember seeing that earlier; left it to wait for another sale (didnt realize it was that old already). It just got accepted before I could do that, lol 

aah :P 

 

there haven't been any listed for sale since I made it though, s'why I was wondering

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 http://backpack.tf/suggestion/57448e2886674713041f2842  how did this get accepted with 8 looking like such an obvious outlier?

I would assume it was accepted as close enough on average. I did not handle that one, but I presume that  one of the 8 sellers sold, and that whoever handled it found that and accepted it as a decent starting point

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Is including invalid (unbumped) Outpost trades in your suggestion any good? Or does it simply fill the suggestion with useless stuff. Can they be used as additional proof or are they completely useless?

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Is including invalid (unbumped) Outpost trades in your suggestion any good? Or does it simply fill the suggestion with useless stuff. Can they be used as additional proof or are they completely useless?

You can always list them to give a wider insight in the market, but I would generally not base ranges on them. If theres 10 unbumped unsolds at 4 when something is priced at 5, then surely its supportive for a drop, and as such, theyre useful for the suggestion. If such sellers are the complete market, then I guess they can even be included in the suggested value (but only if there's enough of them and when theres nothing else).

 

For regular items of which plenty are for sale, the only things that really dont help are sellers (far) above your suggested and the current range, or buyers (far) below that. If you drop a hat from 5 to 4.33-4.66, then sellers at 7 and buyers at 2 dont really mean anything

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http://backpack.tf/suggestion/575e8ad08667477d7848576b

How did this pass, even thought it is breaking the 5% rule and was based off of a single young seller?

I did not handle that. 

The 5% rule isnt always strictly enforced, especially in cases where the new price would be a more rounded value (i.e a change from like 2.66-2.77 to 2.66 flat will be easier to accept than a change from 2.66 to 2.66-2.77). A rule as such exists to prevent waves of suggestions being made that force minimal, futile price changes or ranges on items. In most cases, making suggestions like those is discouraged rather than strictly forbidden. It also depends on who handles the suggestion. I rarely handle common items but I occasionally close suggestions like these.

 

As for the seller thing: when I check this item's page, I see a full page of sellers at 2.66. I dont know the situation at the time it was suggested of course, but other than the actual linked proof, the classifieds at the time of accepting are also taken into account

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Need a bit of help with a suggestion. I have a sale for a Dead Pres Bot Dogger (What I'm trying to suggest) I was told is valid, but I'm not entirely sure how to use it

 

Sale is a Molten Mallard Furious Fukaamigasa and Strange KS Original for S. Pro Widowmaker, S. Festive Wrangler, S. Spec Rescue Ranger, S. Spec Airwolf Wrench, Dead of Night, Cloud 9 Hot Dogger and Dead Presidents Bot dogger.

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Need a bit of help with a suggestion. I have a sale for a Dead Pres Bot Dogger (What I'm trying to suggest) I was told is valid, but I'm not entirely sure how to use it

 

Sale is a Molten Mallard Furious Fukaamigasa and Strange KS Original for S. Pro Widowmaker, S. Festive Wrangler, S. Spec Rescue Ranger, S. Spec Airwolf Wrench, Dead of Night, Cloud 9 Hot Dogger and Dead Presidents Bot dogger.

Thats a really complex sale; its probably best to leave that for what it ist. At current, that sale will end up below 10, seeing how the dogger has an open suggestion at 26 and the fuka has an open suggestion at 28. The value you get there will be countered by buyers for any unusual at 8, and a buyer for a presidents bot dogger at 10

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I need help doing a mini for a duped scorching flames ol' snaggle tooth and with my first price suggestion for my stormy 13th hour KE, I'd be extremely grateful if someone could help me and/or post it, since my suggestion failed because I couldn't find proof of the ol' snaggle. Here's what I have:

Stormy 13th Hour

Bought by me.
Burning stash (395 keys) + Ancient Eldritch Prehistoric Pull over (185 keys) + Scorching Flames Ol' Snaggletooth (55 keys this needs a mini though since it's duped) + Dead prez Soldered Sensei (19 keys) + 150 keys=804 keys (rounded down to 800). Snaggle was duped, so let me know if I need to remake to adjust price, and what the value of the snaggle would be. In some suggestions dupes are counted normally, and I figure it isn't as big of a deal in the case of this one since the price of the snaggle is low enough.
 
Proof of Sale:
This shows all the keys/unusuals:
This one shows the hat is for sure the stormy 13th KE because if I did that with one photo it'd cover up all the keys:
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Past Suggestion Recently For 45-55 Keys Pure, But Didnt Have Sufficient Evidence To Provide,

Multiple People Selling For 50 Keys At The Moment For This Unusual, http://imgur.com/kp8tMWE

 

Sale-

Sold For-- 8 Keys Pure + Haunted Ghost Little Buddy ( 39 Keys ) + Strange Flower Power Scattergun With Spec Ks + Festive ( 2.39 Keys )

http://imgur.com/Ribl4i4

 

Inventory History - http://imgur.com/cj4sd8s

 

Sale 2 -

Backpacks before - http://imgur.com/HBKITvf

Backpacks after - http://imgur.com/7i5eKB0

 

History Of Dapper's - http://imgur.com/vge3sYL - Owner's Bp August 8th-http://imgur.com/X72wmJ4

History Of ColdSnap - http://imgur.com/oo7pVrU - Owner's Bp After August 8th - http://imgur.com/6a6HhRA

 

Would 49-51 As A Price Suggestion Be Valid For This Unusual? Cause I bought the unusual for 49 keys in mixed and another trader sold his for 51 keys in a unusual and other items,

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Past Suggestion Recently For 45-55 Keys Pure, But Didnt Have Sufficient Evidence To Provide,

Multiple People Selling For 50 Keys At The Moment For This Unusual, http://imgur.com/kp8tMWE

 

Sale-

Sold For-- 8 Keys Pure + Haunted Ghost Little Buddy ( 39 Keys ) + Strange Flower Power Scattergun With Spec Ks + Festive ( 2.39 Keys )

http://imgur.com/Ribl4i4

 

Inventory History - http://imgur.com/cj4sd8s

 

Sale 2 -

Backpacks before - http://imgur.com/HBKITvf

Backpacks after - http://imgur.com/7i5eKB0

 

History Of Dapper's - http://imgur.com/vge3sYL - Owner's Bp August 8th-http://imgur.com/X72wmJ4

History Of ColdSnap - http://imgur.com/oo7pVrU - Owner's Bp After August 8th - http://imgur.com/6a6HhRA

 

Would 49-51 As A Price Suggestion Be Valid For This Unusual? Cause I bought the unusual for 49 keys in mixed and another trader sold his for 51 keys in a unusual and other items,

 

 

Sales on the dapper:
 
Sold for burning tungsten (~40)
~40
 
Sold for C.heart whoopee (~37) + 2 keys
~39
 
Mini for the whoopee:
37 keys
Lots of sellers at 40 over time, so 37 is okay here
 
 
dunno
 
Sold + 4 in sweets for a smoking coldsnap (~45)
~41
 
Mini cap:
Sold for KaW drill (~26) + 12 keys and 7 in sweets
45 will work for that
 
Sold for orbfire razor cut
probably should be usd for the cut. Cut also has a current seller @40 so it wont be more than this
 
Sold for OC powdered
Should be used for the powdered
 
Sold for presidents dapper
Probably an outlier
 
The buddy is unsold for a month at 32
At that, your sale will be around this range as well. Considering you're selling for 40, the sale can be valued at that.
 
Sales here are 
~26
~39
~40
~40
~41
 
Razor sale kinda supports this range as well. You can suggest this at 39-41
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I have a quick question regarding a specific sale, should I use this sale for the Bullet Buzz (since the unusual weapons has a specialized killstreak applied or for the unusual weapon (since a key was added ontop of the Bullet Buzz)?

Thanks in advance!

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I have a quick question regarding a specific sale, should I use this sale for the Bullet Buzz (since the unusual weapons has a specialized killstreak applied or for the unusual weapon (since a key was added ontop of the Bullet Buzz)?

Thanks in advance!

Both will be fine; it would depend on what other sales on both are. If there are more/clearer sales on the knife, you can use it for the buzz, and if there are more/clearer sales on the buzz, you can use it for the knife

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Morning.

So I have a question.

 

I am currently updating an unusual for a drop.

Its low end is a sale that has been mentioned in another suggestion.

 

Just to clear any possible misunderstanding its the Cloudy Moon Whoopee

Low end of 75 the sale has been mentioned in the Patriot suggestion

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/57b2084c8667472b3130fdc6

 

The Patriot suggestion has other sales that support 90

The sale that mentions the Whoopee uses a mini based on a 1 week unsold quicksell of 73 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28396828

 

Rules would dictate that it should be 1 week per 25 keys/1 month for anything over 100 so this rule was not enforced for the suggestion making the sale inaccurate to the suggestion

 

My question is this:

Because the sale used is inaccurate due to a bad mini but other sales support the range of the patriot so it shouldnt matter to exclude it,

Can I use the sale for updating the Whooppee (I have another sale prepared which would give it a range of 75-80 with 75 being from the Patriot)

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Morning.

So I have a question.

 

I am currently updating an unusual for a drop.

Its low end is a sale that has been mentioned in another suggestion.

 

Just to clear any possible misunderstanding its the Cloudy Moon Whoopee

Low end of 75 the sale has been mentioned in the Patriot suggestion

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/57b2084c8667472b3130fdc6

 

The Patriot suggestion has other sales that support 90

The sale that mentions the Whoopee uses a mini based on a 1 week unsold quicksell of 73 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28396828

 

Rules would dictate that it should be 1 week per 25 keys/1 month for anything over 100 so this rule was not enforced for the suggestion making the sale inaccurate to the suggestion

 

My question is this:

Because the sale used is inaccurate due to a bad mini but other sales support the range of the patriot so it shouldnt matter to exclude it,

Can I use the sale for updating the Whooppee (I have another sale prepared which would give it a range of 75-80 with 75 being from the Patriot)

 

Wait so if I understand it correctly, you want to update the whoopee with the patriots?

 

- The whoopee mini is probably okay in the suggestion. The rules are only for buyout drops for suggestions; rules for minis are far more lenient. Especially since other sales there back up the value, that should not be a problem

- A week unsold shouldnt be used for the whoopee in case youre implying BO drop.

- If the whoop is being used for the peak, you wont really be able to use it for the whoop (unless it does not hold either end there). Seems like its mid-value there, so technically it can be used.

- If theres another sale on the whoopee to roughly back up the peak sale for it, then I guess it should be okay to do that

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Wait so if I understand it correctly, you want to update the whoopee with the patriots?

 

- The whoopee mini is probably okay in the suggestion. The rules are only for buyout drops for suggestions; rules for minis are far more lenient. Especially since other sales there back up the value, that should not be a problem

- A week unsold shouldnt be used for the whoopee in case youre implying BO drop.

- If the whoop is being used for the peak, you wont really be able to use it for the whoop (unless it does not hold either end there). Seems like its mid-value there, so technically it can be used.

- If theres another sale on the whoopee to roughly back up the peak sale for it, then I guess it should be okay to do that

 

Kind of. I have 2 sales. 1 of the sales is the Patriot sale (which I am claiming is innacurate in its representation in the Patriot suggestion at the time)

The Patriot suggested price will be used  with a deduction of the added keys to give the value of 75 making the low value of the Whoopee 72.5 (rounded to 75).

The other sale I have for the Whoopee is at 80

 

I have no issue updating with a flat price of 80.

But since the Patriot sale was there too and was misrepresented in the Patriot suggestion, I was thinking of making a range instead for 75-80

 

Also since the Patriot sale had other sales to support the same price it wasnt riding on a specific sale for its high end

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I have no issue updating with a flat price of 80.

But since the Patriot sale was there too and was misrepresented in the Patriot suggestion, I was thinking of making a range instead for 75-80

Well the patriot sale isnt "misrepresented" :P the mini may be slightly too low, but it would be close to the other sales anyway. Was 80 pure or was that hats as well? if it was pure, Id root for 80 flat. if it was hats, the range will be okay as well

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