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  1. 21 points
    Scott Bakula

    IMPORTANT FESTIVISER NOTICE

    When I read the title, I assumed that yet another person got scammed because they can't differentiate between a festive and a festivized weapon. However, I wasn't expecting to find that the person scammed themselves.
  2. 15 points
    MasterMinder

    [Browser script] Detect fake Steam items

    Hi all! Since the latest items scam, there's a lot of panic and people are afraid to trade. So I quickly wrote this browser script which will detect fake items, warn you and mark them. Installation instructions and source code can be found here: https://github.com/dyhli/plugin-steam-item-check Enjoy and stay safe out there.
  3. 14 points
    3.50

    Will the economy change ??

    Don't listen to the haters on here. Just because they have decades of combined trading experience doesn't mean they're smarter than you. Buy up all the buds you can, and prove them all wrong. Follow your dreams!
  4. 10 points
    Torb | Elite Spell Trader™

    Hilarious jackpot scammer

    If this is your definition of humor I feel sorry for you
  5. 10 points
    saveriocello

    Is this legal on backpack.tf?

    nope that is highly illegal and the IRS will find you if you do that
  6. 10 points
    Scott Bakula

    Will the economy change ??

    Those people are fucking idiots.
  7. 9 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Unusual Pricing Event Results!

    It's been a really impressive week from all our teams, who for the most part have put a huge amount of work into teaching, learning, and making suggestions. We've had over 1000 suggestions submitted over the course of the event, with 700+ items updated! Although some teams scored a lot more points than others, we were incredibly impressed with the way the majority of teams worked together and the enthusiasm that most of you put into the event. Without further ado, the results... First Place - $200 marketplace.tf credit and winners badge on backpack.tf profile With an absolutely amazing number of suggestions submitted and very few errors made, Team 9 are our winners for this event! Led by the beast that is Burny | Happysedits you guys absolutely worked your socks off. You all put in an incredible amount of time and effort, and it shows. Nobody else came close to you guys, it was a really impressive job from all of you and I hope you're proud! Second Place - $150 marketplace.tf credit and runners up badge on backpack.tf profile Second place was a closer race, but the eventual winners were Team 5! You guys, again, worked really well together and more experienced members all played a role in helping and teaching less experienced teammates which was really lovely to see. You, like other teams, didn't always have the best availability from all team members, but you made it work and you thoroughly deserve to be in second place. Mod's Choice - $100 marketplace.tf credit and mod's choice badge on backpack.tf profile Although we debated on this a little, most mods easily agreed that Team 6 deserved mod's choice. You were so close to second place behind team 5, and you managed to do it with a team composition from different regions and timezones with sometimes limited availability. Not only that, but you were one of few teams to lose 0 points to closed suggestions; to submit that number without any glaring errors is impressive to say the least. MVP - $50 marketplace.tf credit and MVP badge on backpack.tf profile He's won it before, and he's winning it again; Burny | Happysedits was once again an absolute beast, putting in 10+ hours per day and being available non-stop in voice and text chat to lead his team. Not only that, but his accuracy and quality of suggestions has improved significantly since previous events, even with the sheer number of suggestions they were making, and it would be completely unfair to award this prize to anyone but him. Participation: Every participant in the event will receive 1 month of premium applied to their account and a participation badge on their backpack.tf profile. All teams will also receive donation credit on their account at $0.10 per point. Team Point Totals: Team 9 196 Team 5 145 Team 6 137 Team 2 85 Team 3 58 Team 4 51 Team 1 39 Team 7 15 Team 8 1 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Although it was a varied event for some, overall I think everyone did a really fantastic job. I want to say a huge thank you to every user who participated and infused the event with their energy and enthusiasm. I also want to thank the price mod team, without whom the event would be absolutely impossible to run. Last but not least I want to thank our wonderful owners, geel and jesse, who have generously agreed to provide all the prize funds. I know not everyone got the most active teammates, but I hope that doesn't discourage anyone from joining future events. We have some plans in mind to ensure that we spread the activity and experience up a bit more evenly in future, so watch this space. Thanks again to suggesters, users, and price mods for the enormous contribution you have all made to the site in the last week and a half. It wouldn't be running without you! _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Note: Premium/donation and badges will be applied as soon as I have time, will try to apply all tonight. For our prize-winning teams, please decide among you how you would like your marketplace credit split within your team and then ping me in your channel when you have decided.
  8. 9 points
    Mengh facepalms.

    are aussies worth it..?

    If you're buying it for keeps, then you shouldn't really worry about the price too much. As for if you're looking to buy australiums to resell, you're going to be up against bots and high-tier traders who are willing to wait quite some while until their items sell for pure. In the end, it's not really worth it given the time it takes to attempt to resell an australium in a saturated market and the small profit margin that is available. Sure, you could make some bits of refined here and there, but for the long-term, there are much better options.
  9. 9 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Backpack.tf Unusual Pricing Event!

    Hello again, and welcome! It's been a while since the last pricing event and we think it's about time for another one! Are you ready to band together in teams to get as many unusual items updated as possible with great prizes at the end? The prize pool this time around is an incredible $500 in marketplace.tf credit generously donated by our fabulous owners Geel and Jesse, in addition to one month of free premium for all active participants and some bonus donation credit thrown in there! Experience isn't required and premium isn't required, we will form teams as fairly as possible to make sure everyone is on an equal footing. So whether you're a veteran suggester or a new user wanting to learn, come have some fun with us! The event will be running from this Saturday the 4th of August and will span over 6 days with new objectives assigned to teams each day. Please read the below carefully before posting, if your post does not include the required information you WILL NOT BE ENTERED. Sign-up rules: In order to join the event, you need to post the following in this thread. PMs to individual mods or admins will be ignored, as we need this information all in one place. Your time zone Number of hours you have available to participate per day The rough times of day you will be available in GMT (ie - are you awake all night or around in the day, etc) It is important that you join the discord server so that you can be allocated to your team and communicate with them about your suggestions: https://discordapp.com/invite/j7cMkGF (If you're banned on the site, forums, or discord you cannot participate.)
  10. 8 points
    Mengh facepalms.

    Warn users that festive items are different to their festivized variants

    Pretty much what the title says. It's getting more and more common for there to be victims of this scam where festivized items are misrepresented as their festive variants, mainly tricking new users. Backpack.tf can't prevent these scams from happening, but the best way for there to be less victims is to tell people that festive items are different from their festivized variants upon festive item stat pages (since they are more accessible) and to educate them about the fact that there is a difference. It is quite difficult to get the pricing of festivized items as they don't even show up in the Backpack.tf price search bar, leading to users believing that it is the same item as its festive counterpart. Much like how Backpack was able to provide info boxes upon the profiles of users that are impersonated regularly, you could employ the same tactic here but with item stat pages. Clicking on "Strange Festivized Scattergun" in the alert box will lead you to the harder-to-find page of the Strange Festivized Scattergun like so: https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Festivized Scattergun/Tradable/Craftable From there, they can compare the prices between the two variants and really see that there is a difference, making them be more cautious.
  11. 8 points
    mehhhhhh

    Brokering your fine unusuals <3

    what happened to the good old days of making money from mowing lawns and selling lemonade
  12. 8 points
    AD⚡HD

    Brokering your fine unusuals <3

    Torbs daily argument, I was worried I was gonna miss it
  13. 8 points
    BisKit

    IMPORTANT FESTIVISER NOTICE

    Okay so I am fairly new to trading and one day I decided to try and open a crate to possibly make a profit. I open up a holiday case and get a festiviser. I then did my research on it and found that it could make me a heafty key profit. So I use it on a strange scattergun I got also from Backpack.TF only to be greeted with a miniscule amount of refined metal. In other words: Backpack.TF made me loss a profit because apparently they're too lazy to actually show the difference between two versions of a festive weapon. So I lost a key and more just because Bacpack.TF sucks at giving all the details. To anyone who works at Backpack.TF I ask you to please fix this and also to possibly give me a key back so I can regain some lost profit.
  14. 8 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    This user has now been marked: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198093043651 I'm going to lock this and encourage everyone to report the game on steam. Nothing else we can do here.
  15. 7 points
    killerpanda993

    IMPORTANT FESTIVISER NOTICE

    Ill just say this, when I first started tf2 and trading, I bought an aussi gold paint to apply to a weapon thinking it could be an australium.
  16. 7 points
    manic

    Unusual Pricing Event Information and Teams!

    Two lemons in one team, this can't go well...
  17. 7 points
    Shembadui

    Will the economy change ??

    I heard rumors that the Steam is going to change the TF2 economy. That they going to make the EarBuds expansive, is that true ???
  18. 7 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Open discussion on rules for trading with scammers

    After taking into account the viewpoints in this thread and previous discussions, we've come up with something of a compromise. I am unwilling to modify the requirements for background checking - I think they are necessary to at least reduce the volume of trades with scammers and make it somewhat more difficult for scammers to offload their items. They're not unreasonable by any stretch and they're quite clear for a user doing a background check, what is difficult is that they cannot be automated. I have sat down and tried to brainstorm criteria we could come up with that could be automated, but it really does require human judgement. And while I understand the frustration of those using bots, I simply cannot change the rules to make things easier for them. The same rules apply to users and bots alike, and as it's perfectly possible to manual check trades above a certain value it's something you're just gonna have to do if you want to abide by the rules of this site. I have, however, decided to loosen the punishment for trading with scammers a little. Temp bans for trading with scammers will now "expire" after 1 year without a ban, so whether you're on your first or second offense if you go without a ban for 1+ year and then are reported again for the same thing, we will treat it as a new ban and start at first offense again. Bans were never intended to punish innocent traders who make mistakes, they are simply a deterrent to buying from scammers. Hopefully now those users who are trying their hardest to comply with the rules but do occasionally make errors will feel that there is a little more leeway/forgiveness from us for slip ups.
  19. 6 points
    AJ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    The ongoing issue of the misuse of Premium Search

    I'd like to open up this discussion again to see how opinions have changed towards this topic and also to see reactions to this rather serious problem for newcomers to the community. This is not a post for you to sh*ttalk other people who you deem as "sharkers" and no we will not argue over the meaning of what "sharking" means, that would be totally uncalled for and would eventually turn into a massive clusterf*ck. Having got that over with, I would like to ignite this discussion by first appreciating the steps that have been taken to prevent as many as these "sharks" as possible. In response to much public outburst, the backpack.tf team have chosen to: Limit searching for only specific unusuals only but still all the effects Implementation of the minus trust reps for repeated unbalanced trades as seen evident on a few profiles There are of course many other changes but these I feel are a bit more significant than others. Of course, with changes comes adaption and it really does not take much more effort to search for these new unusuals as you can still search for specific unusuals and all their effects such as all the effects for the unusual Jungle Wreath or other recently added high-value items. We could argue what would most people use Premium Seach for? I believe it's main purpose was to aid people that had their eyes set on dream unusuals but were not on market, in this case it would be helpful to have a tool that would instantly guide you to the unusuals history and its owner. In this way, it would be used responsibly as well as for good purposes only What change would I propose? Having been told what change could be made to Premium Search for the legitimate reasons I stated above to using Premium search, a small change would be to only be able to : Search specific hats with specific effect, i.e. only being able to search a Darkblaze Hong Kong Cone by itself instead of all the unusual Hong Kong Cones, this would mean "sharkers" would have to search individual hats and effects together, increasing combinations they had to check through and thus slowing them down massively Implement a time to be able to search between items, such as a buffer of 5 seconds or even a minute if necessary, this is based off the fact that people searching for rare one of one unusuals would not need to search more than once within a few minutes as they are only looking for that specific unusual and not multiple different ones It has come to the point that I've had to comment repeatedly on unboxer steam profiles or add them up to warn them about users adding them due to the high valued items they have unboxed. It is such a relief and sense of success when you do prevent a scam or "shark", though it is possible to do this repeatedly, it is extremely easy to lose interest in as I became a babysitter for these unboxers and surprisingly enough, I have a life outside of trading. I realise that no-one asked me to do it, but out of a purely moral obligation I chose to comment, add and invite these people to the backpack.tf discord for them to get help and correct pricechecks as I doubt my own knowledge could pricecheck said items - and yes I had the ability in my hands to tell them their item was not worth that much and profit off them like that but I chose not too as that is truly scummy and having participated in this community, can truly see the friends that I have made and good that it does for people. At the same time, these changes I propose would very easily buffer and delay the time of these "sharkers" , I can very easily set up a folder that literally searches for every new unusual and all their effect and run auto refresher on all of them and easily see when a new one pops up - with no time lost on my half. Though the previous implementations meant the "sharkers" had to click one extra button and type in an actual hats name, it really does not slow them down too much and having talked to a few people, they believed it really made it much slower for them which just is not true. For those with premium, it is still incredibly simple to search for new unboxers. I thank you for reading my small post and encourage you to comment ideas that you may have in countering the misuse of Premium search. I put the words "shark" and "sharkers" in quotation marks so no-one decided to nitpick me for using wrong definitions. Again, this is not a place to publicly expose anybody, it is simply a forums post to ignite this discussion on how to "fix" Premium search and I am not saying that removing it would do anything as well as Premium search being the problem specifically. I cannot remember where I remember this quote from but "the knife itself is not evil if you use it to cut a cake but rather the person itself who uses it to commit physical greivances as well as damage to others that is evil" Thank you and I encourage you to comment your opinion and ideas on this matter! AJ
  20. 6 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Unusual Pricing Event Information and Teams!

    Timeline The event will begin on 7PM GMT on Saturday 4th August and finish on 7PM GMT on Friday 10th August. Each team will be allocated new effects each day, and will be working towards the following goals.: Day 1 - Taunts that are 2.5 months or more outdated or unpriced Day 2 - Multiclass unusuals that are 1 year or more outdated or unpriced AND unusual weapons Day 3 - Pyro, Sniper, and Medic unusuals that are 1 year or more outdated or unpriced Day 4 - Demo, Spy and Heavy unusuals that are 1 year or more outdated or unpriced Day 5 - Scout, Solider, and Engineer unusuals that are 1 year or more outdated or unpriced Day 6 - Common low tiers (less than 25 keys in value with 15 or more in existence) which are 8 months or more outdated or unpriced Point Scoring 1 point for every accepted suggestion 1 point for every full-suggestion mini accepted -5 points for every suggestion closed by moderators 0 points for BO drop suggestions - you can make them but you will not receive points for them Rules Each team needs to choose one person to suggest, and only the designated suggester for each team can post event suggestions Every suggestion made must be identified as an event suggestion or mini in the first line to make it easier for mods to count them up at the end No B/O only drops (you can make them, you won't get points for them) You can make suggestions outside of your assigned effects if you need them for minis ONLY IF there is no suggestion up for it from the team who owns that effect If you make a suggestion as a mini, you need to identify what event suggestion it is a mini for clearly in the first line or it won't be counted Work together as a team. We have a lot of new suggesters joining us for this event. Any teams found to be excluding them may be disqualified Prizes First place - $200 marketplace.tf credit shared between your team Second place - $150 marketplace.tf credit shared between your team Mod's choice for teamwork - $100 marketplace credit shared between your team Event MVP - $50 marketplace.tf credit and MVP event badge on your profile for the individual mods feel were the most helpful in leading and teaching new suggesters In addition, all individuals participating will receive 1 month of free premium and a special badge on your profile on the main site. We may also award donation credit based on points earned. Users we determine have not contributed to their teams at all may be excluded, so it's important to conduct your discussions on our discord so mods can see who is doing what. Teams - We have had a fun time trying to make some even teams accounting for timezones and experience/premium. Unfortunately our lovely south and east asian users don't really have enough experience in their corner to make a full team, so we've grouped you as best we can with the Aussie and EU contingents. Hopefully this works out okay for all. We've decided to go with bigger teams this time so we can hopefully get a decent amount of experience in each one. We will allow sign ups up until the beginning of the event but you'll need to PM me here or DM me on discord. Anyone who doesn't join the discord by the start will be removed - those who haven't yet done so please DM me to let me know when you join. Teams may be shuffled to account for this for leavers. Team 1 iTrade FallenCrown Danny Moose LayaD |TvM| Do1itt1E Designated suggester: iTrade Team 2 Lemons Zeus_Junior manic Lemonade poespas Space Bork Bork Designated suggester: poespas Team 3 JoXu ツ AJ WannaBe God bless Salvatore Garnacci Aethez єvαlkх Designated suggester: God bless Salvatore Garnacci Team 4 Master Throne Crimson seVen Moonman little riceball Sedwen SagiriEro Designated suggester: Master Throne Crimson Team 5 Shuffle Spy TF2Scourge ApolloTheLion Mr Mundy §erpentine ✠ 5th| Escargoon Designated suggester: Shuffle Spy Team 6 Jarool Pigeon roboticjo Derpy McDerpton The Mann Himself 「Vader 」 Vizulix qxliow1215 Designated suggester: Pigeon Team 7 Beaser Xergoyf ϟTheoϟ Lapislel ShogunMetalShot Designated suggester: Xergoyf Team 8 ѕιи Lila HarryG Styr0 Rewrite ShakSheep Retro | Explo Designated suggester: ѕιи Team 9 Burny | Happysedits Midnight Lyrics Rafio Eclips That Irish Guy~ Ejeb03 NeoXenoZ HugeFluffyNeko Designated suggester: Happysedits Useful threads for new suggesters: Guide for unusual price suggestions: How to use the compare function:
  21. 5 points
    Baloo

    backpack.tf Profiles don't show "Caution" Tags ["Stemrep: Normal"]

    I would disagree
  22. 5 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Warn users that festive items are different to their festivized variants

    Not a bad idea.
  23. 5 points
    phenompak

    IMPORTANT FESTIVISER NOTICE

    Backpacktf only displays the price of a ''strange scattergun'' not a festivized one. If you check the stats of a strange festivized scatter, you can find sellers at 1.6 https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Festivized Scattergun/Tradable/Craftable Also, applying the festivizer makes you lose the value of it. Like for example, nametags are worth 10 ref, but when you apply, no one pays extra for the name tag applied, so in this case, applying the festivizer just makes you lose a little bit of value.
  24. 5 points
    3.50

    Duping in 2018

    First and foremost, decent of them to do that. It was (unlike most other scamming scenarios), one where the victims could be experienced and aware, take all reasonable precautions, and still be tricked. As far as any impact on the economy, I wouldn't worry about it. It should be a relatively small number of people/items affected, as they were relatively quick to respond; also, it looks like they'll only return items up until the point where the added the warning dialogue boxes. Also, if the scammers don't pass off their items quickly, they're getting trade banned (meaning that in those cases there won't be extra copies of the items in circulation). https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198079821428
  25. 5 points
    human__

    Will the economy change ??

  26. 5 points
    A Delicious Cashew

    Watch out for fake keys! (New scam)

    Please be careful when trading - easiest thing to do is view the item in the community market as the main post mentions and check if '440' is in the URL if you're offered TF2 items. Always double check and ask questions if you're unsure your items are legitimate. If Valve is responsible, they will swiftly take action and create checks to ensure this stops happening. Until then, proceed with extreme caution Most of these offers are coming from private (and marked) users, so if you can't verify that they actually own the items in their legitimate Team Fortress 2 inventory, don't accept the offer. If you're using Automatic, offers will be skipped as they contain non-TF2 items. You can then decline those and report the user/game as necessary
  27. 5 points
    Apo

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    https://steamcommunity.com/id/cmyki/recommended/781600/#developer_response /// https://archive.is/PvlFV >Bitcoin is outdated, we currently use Abstractism to mine only Monero coins. >Also we don't mine cryptocurrency ???
  28. 5 points
    Apo

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    Please report this game on steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/781600/Abstractism/
  29. 5 points
    Rosalina

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    I don't usually have sympathy for people scammed because of their own stupidity but this is actually fucked.
  30. 5 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Warn users that user they are looking at has impersonators

    This has now been added.
  31. 4 points
    Torb | Elite Spell Trader™

    Is Backpack.tf Premium worth it??

    Premium search is the deals section if you have no morals ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  32. 4 points
    Grimes

    help i get sharked and scammed

    The fact that you dont know the prices doesn't make it a scam. Its still a dick move on his part though.
  33. 4 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Unfair Ban Appeal

    You're a scammer alt who demonstrates zero remorse in your appeal. Woifi was kind to give you any kind of chance, I'd have auto declined your appeal just as I am locking this thread.
  34. 4 points
    3.50

    Black Dessert Online on Steam

    Never heard of it. I'm guessing it involves a lot of chocolate, fudge, maybe some oreos and such?
  35. 4 points
    tardlife

    Black Dessert Online on Steam

    do they have hats?
  36. 4 points
    Joeg

    Brokering your fine unusuals <3

    Merp
  37. 4 points
    danielsan85

    Is this legal on backpack.tf?

    Is this legal to buy cheap iteams, then sell them for profit, and again and again... Is this legal when i want to do this all the time?
  38. 4 points
    mehhhhhh

    I was scammed :( can anyone help recover my items?

    Why trade a festive jarate for a vintage one and why overpay for the ham shank? What's your Social Security Number?
  39. 4 points
    loser

    Recently uncrated this beauty

    delete it
  40. 4 points
    PoorAsianBoy

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    Hey guys, I'm a pretty reputable and experienced trader but jeezz, this one guy got me pretty good. I just got scammed off of a green confetti team captain from a method I have never seen before so I'm just gonna share it with you guys. There's a game called Abstraction on steam where you can get an identical version of an item like the one in Team Fortress 2. Take a look below: I'm much at fault because I was in a game so I didn't recheck the trade the scammer and I talked about and quickly accepted the offer not looking at what the item was. I really didn't think something could be "replicated" like this. I want y'all to not be dumb af like me and be careful about this scam.
  41. 4 points
    HarryG

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    This is probably the first actually original and intelligently deceitful scam method not especially similar to most others or easily detectable as compared to said others in 5 years. The fact that this game exists (requires third party software as well to bitcoin mine using your rig, against Steam's TOS anyways even if this joke of an item isn't) is like, Steam Greenlight bad.
  42. 4 points
    ksolis01

    How could i start trading with 5 ref?

    You don’t. You are better off picking pennies of the ground.
  43. 4 points
    Teeny Tiny Cat

    Open discussion on rules for trading with scammers

    I mean people who are already perm banned can't come in and say "there was a year between my second and third ban, so my perm ban should only have been 3 days." Anyone currently on first or second strike, the year applies from the date of your last ban.
  44. 4 points
    Geel

    Add middleman list on this site

    The entire idea of middlemen is antiquated and unnecessary. Backpack.tf is not going to vouch for anyone when we all know too well that everybody sucks. Use a website like Marketplace.tf or OPSkins (lmao).
  45. 3 points
    ThePickleCat

    i need help

    Sorry there is no way to get it back. Report him on steamrep with some sort of proof and learn from your mistake.
  46. 3 points
    Mengh facepalms.

    Do good parts on big weaps count?

    For a normal user who would buy it for keeps, 50 keys sounds about right if they took the time to find such a user. For profit-driven trading, nah, parts don't really mean much. I guess you can use that to your advantage and try to get 1-3 keys more in future trades, but it will require some time and a greater amount of work to resell with the greater selling price. Overall, just don't take parts into consideration. It's somewhat common to find australium rocket launchers with some of these parts.
  47. 3 points
    womentigerthai

    help i get sharked and scammed

    another retard ....
  48. 3 points
    Julia

    Open discussion on rules for trading with scammers

    TLDR; I think backpack.tf’s trading with scammer bans are outdated and too strict. I have proposed a slightly laxer system in the final paragraphs. Dear all, I’m Julia. Most of you probably already know me as one of many Unusual traders. I don’t think it would be unfair to say that I have been around these parts for some while. While I usually like to joke around and not take anything too seriously I have had some persisting thoughts regarding trading policy here at backpack.tf which I wanted to share, and to garner your opinions on. I appreciate your time in reading this post. The topic I want to discuss is backpack.tf’s rules regarding bans for trading with scammers. The current rules are as follows: “If a trader unknowingly fails to meet these expectations, bans will be issued as follows: (1) First offense - 3 days to 1 week depending on the severity of the action (2) Second offense - 2 weeks to 2 months depending on the severity of the action (3) Third offense - permanent ban (may be appealed after 6 months) If a trader knowingly fails to meet these expectations and is found to intentionally trade with scammers, the ban will instantly be a permanent one.” Source: As a bit of history, some of you will remember years ago, SteamREP would mark/ban traders who would repeatedly (or intentionally) trade with scammers. The rule was later removed in 2016 after much criticism. Source: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/policy-change-trades-with-scammer-policy-end-of-life.119528/ The criticism leading to removal was: honest traders were being marked; essentially sharing the same punishment as scammers themselves, some of which whom have no remorse for taking what they can from other people. To many of these traders their ban marked a halt to their trading activities. It was a harsh punishment for a few mistakes. Around the time this SteamREP rule was removed, backpack.tf implemented its own set of rules. It was only after then that backpack.tf would begin to ban traders from using its service as punishment for trades with scammers. Although the rules set by backpack.tf are much less strict than that of SteamREP’s old rules, they could still be improved to make the trading environment better for everyone. The way backpack.tf is stacking up bans for this type of offense is becoming reminiscent of old SteamREP policies. As backpack.tf holds an immense role in trading currently, the ability to use it freely is essential to most traders and its bans have an impact on how people trade. The current rules dictate: three strikes, you’re out. Regardless of how long you’ve been trading, regardless of how many trades you’ve made. You only get three strikes. In my time here, I know of many well-known traders awaiting their third strike that will abruptly conclude their trading career. Many of these people possess thousands of dollars worth of items. As a long-time trader I’ve personally never been banned for trading with scammers. However, I have most definitely made mistakes while trading. Those mistakes were accepting offers I otherwise wouldn’t have accepted, miscounting keys, listing the wrong effect hat on the market, listing items for the wrong price, rushing changes into my bot without proper testing, and so on. After over 17,000 trades and nearly 100,000 Steam Community Market transactions, I feel that I can safely say that I’m an experienced trader. Even then, I believe I could make mistakes and no longer have the same freedom to trade. I enjoy trading and it’s not something I’d want to happen. I go to great lengths to avoid trading with scammers. I have authored and utilize a userscript for checking a user’s reputation more easily. My Unusual trading bot also utilizes 7 different resources for checking accounts. If anything seems amiss I must manually check my potential trading partner. However, there are times where I’m either tired or not very cautious and mistakes do happen. There are times where I’ve forgotten to check a user’s reputation before accepting a trade. Though, thankfully it never resulted in me trading with a scammer. I suspect that many others aren’t as fortunate as I am. They would be more susceptible to making mistakes and accruing strikes which ultimately end their trading activities. Ever since the rules for background checks were established they haven’t seen much change. The current rules do not consider length of time between aberrant trades. It could be a month, it could be over a year. Going a year without trading with any scammers is a long time. Should a trader be so severely punished for trading with a scammer for the third time, even if it’s been over a year since their last trade? Please bear in mind, I am not saying that we should make the rules so relaxed that we condone trading with scammers. I do not think scammers should have an easy way of offloading their stolen goods. I myself would not do anything differently if the rules were to be changed. I don’t know the perfect solution to the problem, but I want to propose a change. Like a driver’s license points systems for traffic violations, make it so that a trader collects points for each trade with a scammer. When the trader collects so many points within a certain period of time they are permanently banned. The points would reset after a certain period of time, say a year. This should be fair for everyone in the long-term of things and still prevent traders from trading with scammers. Thanks for reading. This is something that’s been on my mind getting back into trading and I’d like to hear everyone else’s thoughts on the matter, and if anyone else has any other suggestions for rule changes.
  49. 3 points
    rave

    Brokering your fine unusuals <3

    i'm offering a brokering service so you dont have to trade your own unusuals. here's why you should trust me -4 years on steam -steam level 21 -9 trust on backpack.tf -im a successful trader myself, prior to cashing out, according to bp.tf I peaked at 385 keys, which is wrong because its way higher. - i've brokered many items in the past such as high tier Captain Space Mann's, Mid-tier hat with no names, high tier hound dogs, ect. there will be a fee of course, as I am doing this to try to get more stuff to get back into trading myself. Depends on the price of your unusual and demand is how much the cut would be. tips are always welcome ;^) https://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=189422363&token=sF6jI4K5
  50. 3 points
    Grimes

    *NEW SCAM?* 1st time scammed in 3 years

    What in the fuck that's insane.
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