Anyar Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 There is was a cosmetic that could use a price update, but the new price would only be about a 4% difference, and apparently, there's a 5% suggestion rule around here for price changes. However, on another price suggestion, someone wrote, "It's close enough to 5%. It's valid." for a price suggestion of around 3.92%. And the cosmetic I was talking about did actually get a price suggestion, the exact one I was thinking about (but decided against), and it passed. Here: http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590f1bd90e2cad75516bb036 So what is the 5% rule for? (sorry if this is the wrong forum for posting, I couldn't find any better ones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phenompak Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 There was a status update about this earlier today: http://i.imgur.com/Kj7mzZo.png This was the suggestion: http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590e6ab0c44045471469c7e6 As teeny explains, because the change was needed. However for this one, its atleast a rec change.. But wasn't that rule removed like 10 months ago? Need some mod clarification here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happysedits Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Discussed it with teeny today, she said the 5% rule was implemented to avoid changes like 14.11 to 14.22 when market and SCM is at 20 ref. Those changes are fine because the market is like that. =TNW= Maximus™ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ᴾᴾᴹ Shuffle Spy Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 The 5% rule was made as a guideline. If the change is absolutely needed (if there are 20+ sellers at 4.33 when something is 4.55, that's fine), then go ahead and make a suggestion. Otherwise, it's fine to leave the price as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=TNW= Maximus™ Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 This is starting to tick me off. I understand that the 5% rule is meant to be used as a guideline, but seriously? http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590f961ae3387731ae1e6d52(rejected) - http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590e6ab0c44045471469c7e6 (accepted) Axle Change and Anyar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happysedits Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 This is starting to piss me off. I understand that the 5% rule is meant to be used as a guideline, but seriously? http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590f961ae3387731ae1e6d52(rejected) - http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590e6ab0c44045471469c7e6 (accepted) wtf Mindacos autocloses less than 5%, Teeny doesn't edit: false, check mindacos's reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=TNW= Maximus™ Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Mindacos autocloses less than 5%, Teeny doesn't this shouldn't be a thing but it is super annoying... Either auto close all suggestions less than 5% or use it as a "guideline" but don't do both.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happysedits Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 http://backpack.tf/suggestion/58d6410cc440455eb90a64b1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phenompak Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Mindacos autocloses less than 5%, Teeny doesn't this shouldn't be a thing but it is Yeah Mindacos is a bit stricter than others, not that its a bad thing. But he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happysedits Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 super annoying... Either auto close all suggestions less than 5% or use it as a "guideline" but don't do both.. nvm, probs the change wasnt big enough, i mean 13.33-13.11 idk.. its probs over 10 ref item just 0.22 change not enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindacos Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 This is starting to tick me off. I understand that the 5% rule is meant to be used as a guideline, but seriously? http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590f961ae3387731ae1e6d52(rejected) - http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590e6ab0c44045471469c7e6 (accepted) The example you just provided is exactly why the 5% rule is here to begin with, that was a completely unnecessary change and was well below 5%, 2% even. If a suggestion presents a change that's less than 5%, it is only accepted if the market overwhelmingly supports said price; the Strange Wrench suggestion had almost two whole pages of sellers at 8.11. The Thirst Blood did not have a proper amount of sellers to support a >2% change. Take the wrench suggestion and this suggestion right here as core examples of what a valid >5% change should be: http://backpack.tf/suggestion/58d6410cc440455eb90a64b1 But at the same time, drops to say, 18.88 to 18.77 will not be accepted even if there's an overwhelming amount of evidence. Use common sense. Jacobmeister, Happysedits, FishtheFish and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eazy Peazy Squeezy Lemons Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 http://backpack.tf/suggestion/58d6410cc440455eb90a64b1 I didn't mean to make that. I used a really buggy calculator and it said it was over 5% when it wasn't otherwise I wouldn't of made it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Teeny Tiny Cat Posted May 8, 2017 Administrators Share Posted May 8, 2017 The 5% rule was implemented as a solution to the high volume of entirely pointless buyer raises being made on items that clearly needed more meaningful raises. Like the example happy gave, a 1-2 scrap raise on a 12 refined item when the market is at 20 is absolutely no different than the current price. The change serves no purpose. That isn't always the case. Some things I look at when assessing these kind of suggestions: - is it a raise or a drop? - if it's a drop, how many sellers/unsolds are there? for how long? where are the buyers? - if it's a raise, are the buyers successfully buying any? - where is the rest of the market? - if it's a raise based on buyers, where are sellers at? - where is SCM at? - where are other sites at? When making a suggestion that could be closed due to the 5% rule, think to yourself - do I have a rationale for ignoring the rule here? If yes... post it in your suggestion. Non-unusuals are primarily handled by puddington, me, and mindacos so as long as mod discretion is a thing, yes there will be some slight variation in how we each assess a suggestion. You can help yourself by including your argument. Happysedits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyar Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 The 5% rule was implemented as a solution to the high volume of entirely pointless buyer raises being made on items that clearly needed more meaningful raises. Like the example happy gave, a 1-2 scrap raise on a 12 refined item when the market is at 20 is absolutely no different than the current price. The change serves no purpose. That isn't always the case. Some things I look at when assessing these kind of suggestions: - is it a raise or a drop? - if it's a drop, how many sellers/unsolds are there? for how long? where are the buyers? - if it's a raise, are the buyers successfully buying any? - where is the rest of the market? - if it's a raise based on buyers, where are sellers at? - where is SCM at? - where are other sites at? When making a suggestion that could be closed due to the 5% rule, think to yourself - do I have a rationale for ignoring the rule here? If yes... post it in your suggestion. Non-unusuals are primarily handled by puddington, me, and mindacos so as long as mod discretion is a thing, yes there will be some slight variation in how we each assess a suggestion. You can help yourself by including your argument. Alright, so was that Strange Camera Beard suggestion ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
✪ ĐooмŖдпgєг ✪ Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 This is starting to tick me off. I understand that the 5% rule is meant to be used as a guideline, but seriously? http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590f961ae3387731ae1e6d52(rejected) - http://backpack.tf/suggestion/590e6ab0c44045471469c7e6 (accepted) Well... The accepted one had more sellers and it's pretty obvious... Minda is more strict on the 5% than the other mods excluding Pudd that doesn't even care about that rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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