Add Hearsay to rep reports list and rules

[[Unactive Account]]

In the legal system Hearsay is when information is recieved from someone other than the person in question. Basically like saying "Bob told me that Ron was at the pool"

 

Hearsay in court is considered invalid evidence in a trial. It is not considered fact.

 

I've seen reps on people's profiles (both positive and negative) stating that a friend either got scammed by them or did a trade with them. The person who posted the rep never had any interaction with the person. 

 

My idea is to add a rule to posting rep. No hearsay. You must have done a trade by yourself with the person you're repping or you're friend in question must post a rep by themself. Not have someone do it for them. 

[Kote]

Seconded. I've seen what he said above, along with someone repping someone for another person then the person that actually got scammed also does it, so in the end the scammer gets 2 minus reps.

[knavesmith]

I recommend you also post this in the issue tracker so that the mods can see it.

[Teeny Tiny Cat]

This is fairly easily covered by the requirement for proof in negative rep already. Don't see how it's necessary. If the post contains the proof, who cares who is posting it?

[[Unactive Account]]

This is fairly easily covered by the requirement for proof in negative rep already. Don't see how it's necessary. If the post contains the proof, who cares who is posting it?

Because It would make sense for the person themselves to make the rep not have someone else do it for them. 

[Teeny Tiny Cat]

What if they don't provide proof?

 

Then they will get removed if the user they were left for reports them.

[[Unactive Account]]

Then they will get removed if the user they were left for reports them.

Let's say someone says "My friend bought 5 keys on paypal from this guy". Would that be a valid rep?

[Teeny Tiny Cat]

Let's say someone says "My friend bought 5 keys on paypal from this guy". Would that be a valid rep?

 

No.

[[Unactive Account]]

No.

Last quesiton. If someone does a rep stating "My friend got scammed a $4000 unusual by this person" Would that be a valid rep? with and without showing proof

[Teeny Tiny Cat]

Last quesiton. If someone does a rep stating "My friend got scammed a $4000 unusual by this person" Would that be a valid rep? with and without showing proof

 

Without proof, no, but I ignore neg rep reports that are from someone other than the user the rep was left for. If a user does not care enough about their own reputation to contest it, or does not want to draw attention to themself, I am not spending time clearing them. Proofless neg rep does tell you something if it accumulates, and any serious trader who cares about their reputation will dispute it.

 

With proof it's fine.

[TheWiz]

Let's say someone says "My friend bought 5 keys on paypal from this guy". Would that be a valid rep?

 

 

Last quesiton. If someone does a rep stating "My friend got scammed a $4000 unusual by this person" Would that be a valid rep? with and without showing proof

 Those are basically the same question? Both of those examples don't have any proof of it occurring, so it'd fall under a proofless trust rating and the accused should be able to report it as falsified. If you were looking for a different response you should have asked if a different person had proof of it occurring, even though it didn't occur to them.  Example:  http://backpack.tf/trust/76561198154572004

 

*Edit: Missed the second part of the second question, so I guess Teeny's response answers what I said. Woops.

[ThePickleCat]

I think the underlying issue is MANY MANY people don't understand how bp's trust system is supposed to be used. And almost as many people don't know they can appeal the negative ratings on their profile if they are false. Often times in trade servers I'll hear kids screaming "I'm going to negative rep you on bp and your steam profile because you're being mean to me, then you'll get banned from every trade server."

 

The guy from pyrojoe that scammed the strange brown bomber is a victim of hearsay, though I don't think he cares http://backpack.tf/trust/76561198104765997. Strange though that he has recent +trusts?

 

Personal question about the trust system though: Can you negative trust someone for running from a spycrab? I see a lot of this on skial. Especially hearsay cases where someone will have 5 -trusts from a victims friends for running from 1 spycrab.

[Teeny Tiny Cat]

Personal question about the trust system though: Can you negative trust someone for running from a spycrab? I see a lot of this on skial. Especially hearsay cases where someone will have 5 -trusts from a victims friends for running from 1 spycrab.

 

Yes, if you provide evidence. 

 

List of valid/invalid trust here: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/53663-guide-for-reporting-on-the-main-site/

[ᴾᴾᴹ Shuffle Spy]

The guy from pyrojoe that scammed the strange brown bomber is a victim of hearsay, though I don't think he cares http://backpack.tf/trust/76561198104765997. Strange though that he has recent +trusts?

Funny, because my friend told me that suicide king sharked/scammed someone for a Scorching Whirly Warrior. He hasn't gained any proof other than a chat with a friend, but it makes you wonder what kind of trades those two do...

 

[unstopaBULLY]

Funny, because my friend told me that suicide king sharked/scammed someone for a Scorching Whirly Warrior. He hasn't gained any proof other than a chat with a friend, but it makes you wonder what kind of trades those two do...

 

Speaking of that guy, I forgot that everyday I need to comment on his profile, warning people he is a scammer.