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iOS 8 + Android L encryption bars government from user data via loophole

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http://www.zdnet.com/android-l-will-offer-default-encryption-just-like-ios-8-7000033855/

 

TL;DR - any device's local data running iOS 8 or Android L (when it releases) will not be accessible without the user providing the password/lockcode to the device. Apple nor Google have the power to restore the phones security so law enforcement have to have the consent of the user to access the phone's data.

 

I think its brilliant. But it also opens the door for more laws to be put in place to force users to do it or face charges. (more justice bullshit)

 

Even though this has been a feature in Android since Gingerbread days (?) its now gonna be set to 'on' by default.

 

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I think its brilliant. But it also opens the door for more laws to be put in place to force users to do it or face charges. (more justice bullshit)

 

Or laws which render this technology illegal.

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Or laws which render this technology illegal.

 

its not a new technology or new feature though. Apple and Google relinquished the ability to unlock a users phone. That is IMO not going to be undone. It would be the government forcing Apple and Google to make it a feature which will be taken to court and would will be in the legal system for years before a decision is made.

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its not a new technology or new feature though. Apple and Google relinquished the ability to unlock a users phone. That is IMO not going to be undone. It would be the government forcing Apple and Google to make it a feature which will be taken to court and would will be in the legal system for years before a decision is made.

 

Doesn't mean it won't be banned, you know how the US gov is.

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Doesn't mean it won't be banned, you know how the US gov is.

 

This is also 'Murica. Land of sue the shit out of people if we dont like something. lol

 

Last I checked you can still sue the government under certain circumstances. Not sure of the details though.

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https://medium.com/message/everything-is-broken-81e5f33a24e1

 

won't work.

 

besides, passwords and lock codes are 99% of the time going to be easy to crack, especially with the tools that an entity like the US Government has at its disposal.

 

 

While that is true, cops also need a warrant to search the phone. Just another block to keep data safe from corrupt eyes which is great news.

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The problem is that police will just throw you against a wall and demand you to unlock your phone if they really want it.

Also, can't they just get a warrant?

This is still good news though

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IIRC Americans have a right to preserve innocence or something like that, so removing that right in this type of context would probably be unconstitional.

 

Not that they'll care.

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The problem is that police will just throw you against a wall and demand you to unlock your phone if they really want it.

Also, can't they just get a warrant?

This is still good news though

They cant just call a judge and demand a warrant without probable cause or evidence.

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there's gonna be so many court cases about the infringement of rights on this.

 

Besides CM has the "x amount of attmpts before factory reset" and remote wiping etc. So even if i do get in a position where my phone is being held hostage ill just factory reset it with 3 failed attempts, then unlock it. Nothing on my phone that isn't important and isn't backed up somewhere offline.

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there's gonna be so many court cases about the infringement of rights on this.

 

Besides CM has the "x amount of attmpts before factory reset" and remote wiping etc. So even if i do get in a position where my phone is being held hostage ill just factory reset it with 3 failed attempts, then unlock it. Nothing on my phone that isn't important and isn't backed up somewhere offline.

 

Silicon Valley’s smartphone snitching has come to an end. Apple and Google have promised that the latest versions of their mobile operating systems make it impossible for them to unlock encrypted phones, even when compelled to do so by the government. But if the Department of Justice can’t demand that its corporate friends unlock your phone, it may have another option: Politely asking that you unlock it yourself, and letting you rot in a cell until you do.

Good luck factory resetting in a cell.
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Silicon Valley’s smartphone snitching has come to an end. Apple and Google have promised that the latest versions of their mobile operating systems make it impossible for them to unlock encrypted phones, even when compelled to do so by the government. But if the Department of Justice can’t demand that its corporate friends unlock your phone, it may have another option: Politely asking that you unlock it yourself, and letting you rot in a cell until you do.

Good luck factory resetting in a cell.

 

 

Asks me to unlock it. Gives wrong code/pattern/pin blahblah. Factory reset. Never even have to get up from my bench.

 

Besides if they REALLY want that data, I have no doubt they have methods of getting the data and decrypting it. The DoD 7 pass wipe isn't 100% effective for hard drives what makes you think a pin is enough from pulling raw data from piggy backing the memory on the PCB and the working with the data. But can they really justify the thousands of dollars spent to do so on a hunch? Also, I have very little faith in the current US justice system actually working for citizens, keeping true to the constitution and what it stands for anyhow, so if I'm going to be doing something illegal I doubt I would keep it stored on my phone. CD or flash drive would be much more secure method of keeping something away from eyes that dont need to see it.

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>talking about Windows

>me sitting here laughing

>probably the incorrect use of meme arrows

>talking about windows

>thread is about Apple and Android phones

 

Good job

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U.S. Law Enforcement Seeks to Halt Apple-Google Encryption of Mobile Data

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-30/u-s-seeks-to-reverse-apple-android-data-locking-decision.html

IMO, never gonna happen. I hope Google and Apple will both jump ship to a different country before tucking tail to an obviously blantant intrusion of rights. Of course, this is after its in court for 10 years along with the 5 year roll-out plan and then there are "bugs" and rooting/jailbreaking customizations that secures data from pigs cops' eyes.

 

 

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