F CHARLIE Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 So now we see that Russia has now sent troops into Ukraine. Reactions? I think its horrible. This is the third country, I think, that Russia has invaded recently. In the end tho, Europe must tackle this. They should not allow Russia to become such a thug. European countries (the EU) have defined what it is to be a peacefully prosperous, modern country. It just seems ridiculous to accept this kind of behavior. Where are embarrassed Russians that thier country acts in this matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikusch Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin is mad - Part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboNEET Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 This is basically WW2 all over again. The EU is just doing nothing about putin while he's slowly conquering new lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRed Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 This is basically WW2 all over again. The EU is just doing nothing about putin while he's slowly conquering new lands. What can they do? Russia is a nuclear powerhouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 This thread is senseless if you don't post proof of things happening or only read biased crap like cnn & fox. U.S or United Nations can't even confirm these accusations. Russia has not invaded any country, and the fascist ukranian government needs to stop the mass killings of citizens in east ukraine and let them decide what country they want to stick with. You can't also tell Russia to move troops from their own land. The U.S has invaded 50+ countries killing MILLIONS of citizens since WW2 and its foreign policy is the most aggresive. :0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 This thread is senseless if you don't post proof of things happening or only read biased crap like cnn & fox. U.S or United Nations can't even confirm these accusations. Russia has not invaded any country, and the fascist ukranian government needs to stop the mass killings of citizens in east ukraine and let them decide what country they want to stick with. You can't also tell Russia to move troops from their own land. The U.S has invaded 50+ countries killing MILLIONS of citizens since WW2 and its foreign policy is the most aggresive. :0 So much untruth....... There are satellite images of the Russian troops entering the country champ. The Russian backed rebels were going to loose so Russia has to do this to achieve its goal. It did this in Georgia as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhuocheng Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 There's satellite imagery that shows russian artillery and russian troops moving to Ukraine. Also, the Ukrainian Military captured several Russian soldiers inside Ukraine. The Russians excuse was their captured soldiers wandered into Ukraine by accident. NATO can't do anything because Ukraine isn't part of NATO.The Russians had cut a major supply line of the Ukrainian Army and took key towns in the Donetsk region. The rebels are equipped with sophisticated weaponry. Russia has the capacity to destroy Earth. Ukraine used to have 1/3 of USSR' nuclear weapons but gave them up in exchange for sovereignty. Ukrainian Military was at the brink of victory against the rebels and Russia directly intervened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gent♥ Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Invading a country to support a failing system just as the other one the invader's don't like was about to take over? My my, that sounds... strangely familiar...Politics here is just a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The U.S. CAN'T take a moral high-ground, and neither can most anyone else. We kicked Russia out of the G87, and the EU is preparing fresh sanctions today. There's not much more we can do. And the sanctions likely won't stop them, either. Did the almost-worldwide trade embargo on North Korea stop the Kim-Jongs from being weird, power-hungry douchebags? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laces115 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin is mad - Part 2 Putin is Mad 2: Electric Boogaloo But in all seriousness, Russia is going WAY over the line with this. They go through all the effort to have other countries think nicely of them with the Olympics in Sochi, then this? It just alienates everyone, even if they weren't that skeptical of Russia before. It just boggles my mind what Putin was thinking. Is he getting power hungry and nostalgic of Soviet Russia again? Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gent♥ Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin is Mad 2: Electric Boogaloo But in all seriousness, Russia is going WAY over the line with this. They go through all the effort to have other countries think nicely of them with the Olympics in Sochi, then this? It just alienates everyone, even if they weren't that skeptical of Russia before. It just boggles my mind what Putin was thinking. Is he getting power hungry and nostalgic of Soviet Russia again? Who knows... Nostalgia of Soviet Russia? The Soviet was disbanded in it's entirety 9 years before Putin even came to power X3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Invading a country to support a failing system just as the other one the invader's don't like was about to take over? My my, that sounds... strangely familiar... Politics here is just a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The U.S. CAN'T take a moral high-ground, and neither can most anyone else. We kicked Russia out of the G87, and the EU is preparing fresh sanctions today. There's not much more we can do. And the sanctions likely won't stop them, either. Did the almost-worldwide trade embargo on North Korea stop the Kim-Jongs from being weird, power-hungry douchebags? No. If NATO destroys any Russian convoy of tanks/trucks as they enter Ukraine will make a big difference. No need to send troops just stop Putin from sending troops. Edit. It woul be good to accept Ukraine into NATO at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gent♥ Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 If NATO destroys any Russian convoy of tanks/trucks as they enter Ukraine will make a big difference. No need to send troops just stop Putin from sending troops. It will make a difference. Because it'll be an act of war. You can let Ukraine go quietly or you can spark the Armageddon referred to as World War III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Map Painter Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin is simply hilarious, the Poles find a mass grave with evidence that it was the result of a Stalinist massacre (TT pistol cartridges were found), and Moscow says that the Poles are "always bringing up the past". This, from the man who refers to the Ukrainian government as Nazis, and yet threatens to use Russia's Nuclear arsenal. Czechoslovakia v2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 It will make a difference. Because it'll be an act of war. You can let Ukraine go quietly or you can spark the Armageddon referred to as World War III. Incorrect, Putin can say nothing about the destruction of a column of tanks that aren't supposed to be there. If Ukraine were a part of NATO none of this would have happened. Putin would never launch nuclear weapons and would not risk open war with NATO. Russia would loose every time. Edit; If Russia invades Sweden we should also let Sweden go quietly. No need to risk a larger conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gent♥ Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin can say nothing about the destruction of a column of tanks that aren't supposed to be there. Implying Putin follows logic. Which he, of course, doesn't. Also, Putin would never launch nuclear weapons. Implying Putin follows logic. Which he, of course, doesn't. The only thing worse than a tyrannical despot is an unpredictable one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Implying Putin follows logic. Which he, of course, doesn't. Also, Putin would never launch nuclear weapons. Implying Putin follows logic. Which he, of course, doesn't. The only thing worse than a tyrannical despot is an unpredictable one. Putin is predictable and does what he does because he loves his country and wants it to be considered great again. He is a man of the state. He will not use nuclear weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin is Mad 2: Electric Boogaloo But in all seriousness, Russia is going WAY over the line with this. They go through all the effort to have other countries think nicely of them with the Olympics in Sochi, then this? It just alienates everyone, even if they weren't that skeptical of Russia before. It just boggles my mind what Putin was thinking. Is he getting power hungry and nostalgic of Soviet Russia again? Who knows... Russia is just supporting some guys who don't want to be attacked by ukraine's fascist forces and who want sovereignty for their own land. Check the United Nations first article: http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml NATO has always "supported" self-determination, so there's no reason to blame russia for trying to help some guys who want to decide about their land and their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimes Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Putin is no idiot, he will push and prod the EU and the US to the point of war, but I don't believe that he actually wants war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Russia is just supporting some guys who don't want to be attacked by ukraine's fascist forces and who want sovereignty for their own land. Check the United Nations first article: http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml NATO has always "supported" self-determination, so there's no reason to blame russia for trying to help some guys who want to decide about their land and their lives. The population of the two eastern most districts is half ukrainian. If you take into account the three other eastern most districts than the majority population is ethnic ukrainian. When ukraine was part of the soviet union, Moscow starved the ukrainian population and moved ethnic russians into these eastern regions to strengthen their control over the strategic resources there; iron, coal and manganese. Its these resources that Putin wants to secure. Crimea is a major port city that is strategically important to Russia. It is also important to Putin to show Russian strength and determination. This fulfills a Russian desire to regain its former prominance in a bipolar world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The population of the two eastern most districts is half ukrainian. If you take into account the three other eastern most districts than the majority population is ethnic ukrainian. When ukraine was part of the soviet union, Moscow starved the ukrainian population and moved ethnic russians into these eastern regions to strengthen their control over the strategic resources there; iron, coal and manganese. Its these resources that Putin wants to secure. Crimea is a major port city that is strategically important to Russia. It is also important to Putin to show Russian strength and determination. This fulfills a Russian desire to regain its former prominance in a bipolar world. It's not about them being ukranian or being whatever you want. It's about them deciding to leave ukraine. It's their decision, and the majority of people from Donetsk and Lugask (75%+) voted to leave Ukraine. Also, don't forget that it was the rebels helped by USA and Europe who took down the democratically elected president Yanukovich, so it's all Europe and USA's fault for creating this crisis. It's not like putin is going to let his people get killed by fascist ukranian troops and in crimea all he did was apply the first (and one of the most important) U.N article about self determination, which NATO has always supported - yugoslavia is an example. Also you can't bring up stuff from the past like that. Blaming russians for something that happened in the 1930s is pretty stupid - if you want, we can talk about the fascist governments in latin america financially & logistically supported by USA; The vietnam war, where the USA massacred the country without humanity; and we can talk about the CIA helping terrorist groups in the middle east. What about the countless invasions of countries that are now completely destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gent♥ Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Anyone who can't identify this as kindling for a flame war hasn't been on the internet long enough. Cover yer heads, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F CHARLIE Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 @asalto By definition, Putin is the fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 @asalto By definition, Putin is the fascist. Care to expand your argument or is that all you're going to say? I guess I'll remark some stuff: "It's not about them being ukranian or being whatever you want. It's about them deciding to leave ukraine. It's their decision, and the majority of people from Donetsk and Lugask (75%+) voted to leave Ukraine" "It's not like putin is going to let his people get killed by fascist ukranian troops and in crimea all he did was apply the first (and one of the most important) U.N article about self determination, which NATO has always supported - yugoslavia is an example." Please read this. Ukranian goverment is full of fascists: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Map Painter Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Care to expand your argument or is that all you're going to say? I guess I'll remark some stuff: "It's not about them being ukranian or being whatever you want. It's about them deciding to leave ukraine. It's their decision, and the majority of people from Donetsk and Lugask (75%+) voted to leave Ukraine" "It's not like putin is going to let his people get killed by fascist ukranian troops and in crimea all he did was apply the first (and one of the most important) U.N article about self determination, which NATO has always supported - yugoslavia is an example." Please read this. Ukranian goverment is full of fascists: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Anschluss_referendum,_1938 Referendums can easily be manipulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaltoTemplario Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Anschluss_referendum,_1938 Referendums can easily be manipulated. You can't say lugansk and donetsk referendums were illegal just because nazi germany did crazy stuff in the past. It has nothing to do with today. There were international observers in both cities (Donestk, lugansk). If you want to prove something, go ahead - but putting an example of a referendum manipulation is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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